No quitten we're whelan on to chitchat 11

Say my name

148multi wrote: »

Wasn't there a lad talking to Claire Byrne this morning, he was representing the mink farms I think, he mentioned that some dogs contracted the virus, but he didn't get far with that.

It is getting more difficult to believe that there's not other measures being taken now when we have this virus.

I suppose unless someone reveals the enigma code we'll never find out! :pac:

_Brian

148multi wrote: »

Wasn't there a lad talking to Claire Byrne this morning, he was representing the mink farms I think, he mentioned that some dogs contracted the virus, but he didn't get far with that.

Presumably the big problem was that it seemed so easy to transmit coronavirus over and back between mink and keepers, then the virus passed back to the humans was more dangerous.

Shows the inherent dangers of new viruses in combination with intensive farming.

I’d have thought our dna was closer to pigs and that would be a more obvious over and back transmission possibility.

Say my name

_Brian wrote: »

Presumably the big problem was that it seemed so easy to transmit coronavirus over and back between mink and keepers, then the virus passed back to the humans was more dangerous.

Shows the inherent dangers of new viruses in combination with intensive farming.

I’d have thought our dna was closer to pigs and that would be a more obvious over and back transmission possibility.

The mink in Denmark hadn't got the virus nor the mink in Ireland presumably don't either.

It's pre-emptive supposition with an agenda to end mink farming.

_Brian

Say my name wrote: »

The mink in Denmark hadn't got the virus nor the mink in Ireland presumably don't either.

It's pre-emptive supposition with an agenda to end mink farming.

Oh.
I was sure it happened in Denmark

https://www.who.int/csr/don/06-november-2020-mink-associated-sars-cov2-denmark/en/

Say my name

_Brian wrote: »

Oh.
I was sure it happened in Denmark

https://www.who.int/csr/don/06-november-2020-mink-associated-sars-cov2-denmark/en/

https://www.euronews.com/2020/11/18/coronavirus-denmark-s-agriculture-minister-resigns-over-illegal-order-to-cull-mink

Dinzee Conlee

Say my name wrote: »

https://www.euronews.com/2020/11/18/coronavirus-denmark-s-agriculture-minister-resigns-over-illegal-order-to-cull-mink

Say my name wrote: »

The mink in Denmark hadn't got the virus nor the mink in Ireland presumably don't either.

It's pre-emptive supposition with an agenda to end mink farming.

That article states
“ could only cull mink where the infection had been detected or in the immediate area”
And
“ The first cases of coronavirus in minks were detected in June ”

So it would seem some mink had the virus...

Say my name

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

That article states
“ could only cull mink where the infection had been detected or in the immediate area”
And
“ The first cases of coronavirus in minks were detected in June ”

So it would seem some mink had the virus...

But they culled mink (a total wipeout) that hadn't got the virus. Hence the agriculture minister resigned as it was deemed illegal and the calls for the prime minister to resign.

_Brian

Say my name wrote: »

But they culled mink (a total wipeout) that hadn't got the virus. Hence the agriculture minister resigned as it was deemed illegal and the calls for the prime minister to resign.

That’s not unusual surely.
If a few chickens in a flock have avian flu the whole flock is culled and indeed there have been instances where neighboring flicks have been culled as a precaution.

Dinzee Conlee

Say my name wrote: »

But they culled mink (a total wipeout) that hadn't got the virus. Hence the agriculture minister resigned as it was deemed illegal and the calls for the prime minister to resign.

Yes - but you posted “The mink in Denmark hadn't got the virus”

That’s not right - some mink had as they were tested and found to have it.

That doesn’t make the killing of all mink right, but it also doesn’t mean the killing of some wasn’t warranted either...

_Brian

Do people feel there was a jump to try and end the business altogether??

Or just a mistake, a costly mistake I’d expect.

gozunda

Say my name wrote: »

Nphet is recommending that the remaining mink farms in this country be culled.

I'm waiting for someone to suggest that dogs and cats get coronavirus.

Not only that but that mink farming is the same as other farming here with all animals being 'caged up" and "drugged up" :rolleyes:

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058133492

Say my name

_Brian wrote: »

That’s not unusual surely.
If a few chickens in a flock have avian flu the whole flock is culled and indeed there have been instances where neighboring flicks have been culled as a precaution.

Yea but you wouldn't be culling in cork if a flock had it in Louth.

That's what made the minister resign.
He overstepped his remit and broke the law.

_Brian

Say my name wrote: »

Yea but you wouldn't be culling in cork if a flock had it in Louth.

That's what made the minister resign.
He overstepped his remit and broke the law.

Be interesting to see how it plays out for them.

Presume we have no such restrictions here.

Say my name

_Brian wrote: »

Be interesting to see how it plays out for them.

Presume we have no such restrictions here.

Well we're kind of worse.

We've a head of a health committee calling for farmed mink to be culled here based on what happened in Denmark.

And he made that announcement today after the Danish minister resigned yesterday.

_Brian

Say my name wrote: »

Well we're kind of worse.

We've a head of a health committee calling for farmed mink to be culled here based on what happened in Denmark.

And he made that announcement today after the Danish minister resigned yesterday.

He makes recommendations on what he feels is the best action to minimise covid issues

There seems no doubt that the human-mink-human transmission happened and the result was seriously dangerous.

The government have made very clear he’s an adviser only. If it happens it’s on the government not him.

Say my name

_Brian wrote: »

He makes recommendations on what he feels is the best action to minimise covid issues

There seems no doubt that the human-mink-human transmission happened and the result was seriously dangerous.

The government have made very clear he’s an adviser only. If it happens it’s on the government not him.

He makes press release announcements and then expects the government to follow through.

Is there any other EU country where such an adviser conducts their business through the media?

_Brian

Say my name wrote: »

He makes press release announcements and then expects the government to follow through.

Is there any other EU country where such an adviser conducts their business through the media?

I have no idea.
He’s been doing a good job up to this.

Last data I saw we were well placed across Europe regards infection rates, but I haven’t seen the data recently.

He is tasked with giving the best advice to minimise the impact of Covid19, that’s what he does is it not??

The government have their own mechanism to take that advice and mash in the socio economic impacts and implement their version of his advice.

Say my name

_Brian wrote: »

I have no idea.
He’s been doing a good job up to this.

Last data I saw we were well placed across Europe regards infection rates, but I haven’t seen the data recently.

He is tasked with giving the best advice to minimise the impact of Covid19, that’s what he does is it not??

The government have their own mechanism to take that advice and mash in the socio economic impacts and implement their version of his advice.

It's not normal.

It's basically like someone with a loud speaker on one side of a hall shouting over to someone on the other side of the hall and us the public are in the middle looking at both going wtf.

_Brian

Say my name wrote: »

It's not normal.

It's basically like someone with a loud speaker on one side of a hall shouting over to someone on the other side of the hall and us the public are in the middle looking at both going wtf.

In some ways the Irish public are never happy.

We give out and give out about teachers and publicans going into political life and not knowing what to do with hard decisions.

And now we have a scientific professional steering the direction through a world pandemic, bringing us to the front of Europe as regards reducing infections. And and yet people complain.

The nephet public briefings are happening because the government want them to happen, it serves a purpose, politically they can pander to those not happy and say “look, he said to do it”

Say my name

_Brian wrote: »

The nephet public briefings are happening because the government want them to happen, it serves a purpose, politically they can lander to those not happy and say “look, he said to do it”

Good cop. Bad cop.

Yea you have it 100%.

Pity there's no bad cop overseeing the children's hospital. The p1sstake is never ending.

_Brian

Say my name wrote: »

Good cop. Bad cop.

Yea you have it 100%.

Pity there's no bad cop overseeing the children's hospital. The p1sstake is never ending.

Indeed.
One wonders about the decision process there

Jb1989

Say my name wrote: »

Good cop. Bad cop.

Yea you have it 100%.

Pity there's no bad cop overseeing the children's hospital. The p1sstake is never ending.

There is a bad cop overseeing it, its just that they are pisstakeing too,
Very small pecentage of people on this planet that would genuinely do the the thing right.

Say my name

Had to look up the cost so far.

It was 1.4 bn but now lately they're now looking for another 200 million.


Health is some money maker in this country.

Water John

Say my name wrote: »

Good cop. Bad cop.

Yea you have it 100%.

Pity there's no bad cop overseeing the children's hospital. The p1sstake is never ending.

BAM is building it, nuff said.

Say my name

Jb1989 wrote: »

There is a bad cop overseeing it, its just that they are pisstakeing too,
Very small pecentage of people on this planet that would genuinely do the the thing right.

There'll be a tribunal set up to follow the costs.

Scrap that ..there won't be a word about it.

It would be interesting to follow the trickle down.

Jb1989

Say my name wrote: »

There'll be a tribunal set up to follow the costs.

Scrap that ..there won't be a word about it.

It would be interesting to follow the trickle down.

Even the tribunal will leave questions, it's everyone for themselves.

whelan2

A rare evening of nowhere to go. Ended up cooking cookies with youngest lad. Left him to it for a while. He had an American recipie that had cups rather than grams or ounces. So he guessed it. Had a good laugh at it. They turned out ok after clawing back about half a bag of flour out of the bowl.

_Brian

Since we bought the horsebox in the summer there’s been a few sidelights and bits not working so I spent a few hours today soldering connections and replacing fittings.
Added lights inside to make loading easier as the evenings are gone to hell.

zetecescort

teachers really don't help themselves do they. suggesting to close schools because of the cold must be some kind of pisstake

_Brian

zetecescort wrote: »

teachers really don't help themselves do they. suggesting to close schools because of the cold must be some kind of pisstake

Was that not some of the gormless opposition that suggested that. Didn’t the unions come out today and say they never asked for it.