No quitten we're whelan on to chitchat 11

foxy farmer

Full moon tomorrow night. Reminds me of the last wedding I was at. Was talking to a nurse who had worked in 2 community hospitals. A lot of the elderly patients would go a bit doo lolly around the full moon. It was a certainty she said.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119461443#Comment_119461443

Spent an afternoon during the week with a beekeeper who works with the biodynamic calendar. We both agreed more than the old dears go loony around the full moon. I'd know one or two I'd jump in the tide to avoid around then, and I can't swim.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119458135#Comment_119458135

If it's good ground there should be no need for steel in foundations. Yes over rock or sandy ground yes.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119460096#Comment_119460096

Jayus

I taught I was slow 30 years ago from breaking ground in May to moving in it was 7 months. Mind you we could have been in before Christmas but we decided to wait until after Christmas.

Having said that o footpaths, no curtains, had to paint it and a few more things.

I have to be doing it now

DBK1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119461671#Comment_119461671

I dunno about that Bass, I’d hardly consider putting concrete down in a yard without steel now, never mind foundations.

House foundations have to carry a lot more weight now than they did years ago. With the size of houses now, the rooms are all bigger, leaving a bigger span between walls which multiplies the load each wall is carrying. With precast concrete floors, floor screed poured on top of that, tiles everywhere, all the s***e that’s in houses now that wasn’t in them years ago, leaving out the bit of steel in the foundations would be a foolish thing to do in my opinion. Relative to the cost of building houses nowadays the price of the bit of mesh for the foundations would be only pocket money really, I’d be throwing it in one way or the other.

Odelay

I couldn’t see the value in leaving steel out of a house foundation. The consequences of it going wrong would be too severe.

DBK1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119461850#Comment_119461850

Penny wise and pound foolish would be the saying that’d come to mind for it.

Anto_Meath

Engineer can't certify the foundations unless there is steel in it. They will come to inspect the foundations before any concrete is poured. If you are building for cash please take photographs of the steel in the foundations so that you have a record for future encase you need to get certification..

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119461814#Comment_119461814

When I build 30+ years ago the I actually put a bit of steel in but the engineer was adamant it was as not needed. He was adamant that where the ground was good there was no need for steel. Maybe where you are putting in concrete floors up stairs or walks need to be load bearing for balconies however for your general bungalow or two story it's not necessary

Go and look at all the period houses around the county, large old farmhouses none have steel in the foundations and virtually none have fallen down because of it

Limestone Cowboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119462083#Comment_119462083

In the grander scheme of things the bit of steel won't break the bank anyway. You wouldn't feel the months passing. We've had a big burst of work for a few weeks and then a few weeks waiting for lads to come back again. It's been that way since the start pretty much and that's trying to book lads well in advance.

_Brian

We’re in Cork and chose a campsite beside Clonakilty because it’s a working farm and wanted to support them.

Literally see the cows in for milking from the pitches

Green&Red

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119458135#Comment_119458135

Getting to the end of planning here, hope to have started before the end of the year. Seems like a long road

straight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119462083#Comment_119462083

When my father built in the 70's the builder threw a few empty tobacco box's in at the corners. I built my house about 8 years ago and it was way over spec'd with steel. From one extreme to the other. I wouldn't be leaving it out anyway just to be sure. My house is fully block built with concrete slab upstairs and stone facing so it's fecking heavy.

I built my house from savings but I got an engineer to certify it anyway.

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119462083#Comment_119462083

Who needs steel, our house has no foundations, it's just built on top of clay.... never moved

Say my name

You could build a house from straw bales this weather.

zetecescort

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119462179#Comment_119462179

Bus man's holiday

Dozer1

Right or wrong I've built 2 houses in the last 15 years. Night and day difference between the 2 with regards to regs etc.

2nd time around you really focus on the details as its all air tightness now etc my advise is get the best products you can in terms of what's under the plaster as everything else like kitchen and bathroom stuff can be replaced or upgraded in time.

As for a timeline 1st time around from breaking ground to moving in was about 15 months done direct labour and moved in with no kitchen just a bedroom done and a microwave.

2nd time was a builder involved took about roughly same time but house was a bit smaller. Whatever you do some trade will delay you. 2 friends currently building one is 6 weeks + waiting on a tiler. Other one is waiting 2 months for a plasterer. Best of luck with the build

Wildsurfer

Anyone going to Tullamore Sunday? Was set to go but jeez it'll be a long day in this heat!

farawaygrass

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119464154#Comment_119464154

same story as yourself. The amount of shortcuts taken in the first build by not being clued in was unreal, but it’s chalk and cheese comparing 15 years ago to now.

farawaygrass

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119464176#Comment_119464176

Imagine if the sun stops people going, it’s usually the wind and rain!!! It is promised very muggy on Sunday though which will be tiring

kollegeknight

Definitely heading up. We usually plan our holidays around it but it will be a day trip this year. My oh, I and the three children.

Limestone Cowboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119464176#Comment_119464176

Ya going up with a friend showing a few commercial sheep. Got a gazebo for a bit of shade for them.

whelan2

My lad is going, he's not showing anything but going with a neighbour who is showing. He bought a ticket online earlier

_Brian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119462046#Comment_119462046

During the last boom my BIL was contracting his machine on houses in swords, when the engineer certified the foundations the builder would lift out the steel and move it onto the next foundations for certification there. They were pouring 4 pairs of semi di at a time.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119464176#Comment_119464176

Yeah, going with herself and the young fella

Birdnuts

Tfafa

Birdnuts

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119465050#Comment_119465050

this is what happens when successive governments stuck to developer led planning and light touch regulation - the mica mess alone is going to see the Taxpayer stung for many billions of Euros and that is before we know about the true scale of the bill for all those dodgy fire trap apartments around the country. Meanwhile the developers, quarries etc. responsible just continue business as normal - real banana republic stuff!!

roosterman71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119464176#Comment_119464176

Don't know yet. Have a hectic morning Sunday coming up with an airport run first thing. Won't go if it's too hot as I'd just melt away. It's only a few miles away from where I'm living too.

In other news, have tidy towns got some derogation for hedge cutting? Been at it all day for the local tidy town people doing sides and tops of hedges around the village.

farawaygrass

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119465822#Comment_119465822

Companies fold and all that, but surely if a qualified individual puts his signature on paper saying a b or c is done to regulation but it’s not, then he should be held responsible regardless if the company he worked for at the time folded or not. Isn’t there insurance policies taken out by these people, how did they get a cop out from the whole thing?

Birdnuts

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119465928#Comment_119465928

On the back of industry lobbying there appears to be no primary legislation underpinning any of those regs - you only have to look at what a shambles "Homebond" turned out to be!!🙄 Its no accident that Developer lobby groups have/had instant access to the relevant government Departments and Ministers in this space over the years. The same is currently going on with our Energy policies which is why the risk of blackouts grows ever larger

Base price

The Perseid meteor shower is due to peak tonight so if your out and about during the night hours you may be lucky to see one. Unfortunately the light of the full moon will probably diminish the light trail.

https://astronomy.ie/perseids-2022/