Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

Loafing Oaf

Stheno wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1320209842859134977?s=19

New Princeton study indicates children are a factor in spreading the virus

"Much more important" than previously suspected? Or than people in general?

cameramonkey

If 2000 people have been told to do their own test and trace how can we say that the average number of close contacts has been 4.4. They do not know how many close contact those 2000 have had.

https://www.thejournal.ie/the-most-common-number-of-close-contacts-identified-in-ireland-is-now-3-5244669-Oct2020/

amadangomor

Risteard81 wrote: »

Why shouldn't they exercise their right to shop? Do you believe that discrimination is virtuous?

And where do these made up "laws" and "regulations" justify your unlawful discriminatory attitude?

There is a pandemic incase you haven't noticed :rolleyes:

People's right to health is far more important to someone's right to shop. Especially when there are online alternatives.

No mask people will mean staying in fecking level 5 for longer, no thanks. Wear a mask when you are around other people or stay away if you can't manage that.

Happydays2020

Stheno wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1320209842859134977?s=19

New Princeton study indicates children are a factor in spreading the virus

That study Is rubbish or Ireland is different. The Deputy CMO set out the other day that there are no problems with schools and infections despite the fact that it defies all logic.

Big group of people (who are unlikely to be showing symptoms unlike the flu or colds) from 30 separate households hang out together for 6 hours per day in close surroundings, then they visit inter-generational homes for the other 14 hours having meals together etc, then repeat. Sure what could go wrong....

speckle

majcos wrote: »

Very very few people are really exempt. The only group that is truly exempt is those who do not understand why they are wearing a mask and would therefore be distressed by it, for example someone with special needs or cognitive impairment. Exemptions include someone who is unconscious or incapacitated and someone who is unable to remove it without help. I believe this in case those groups vomit and then they might aspirate their own vomit or could choke.

HSE website also mentions face mask is not recommended for those who have trouble breathing. I do not understand this one. Masks can definitely be very uncomfortable but masks do not cause a actual drop in oxygen levels. I understand there might be an occasional exception but that could be addressed on an individual basis.

For those with pre-existing trouble breathing to such a degree that they cannot wear a mask for a few minutes and for the other groups mentioned above, surely they should be cocooning as much as possible and not going to shops. There should be very few exemptions.

Masks are to protect others from the wearer so I think the shops might have the right to refuse admission if they themselves felt uncomfortable with a non mask wearer entering the premises.

Say that to people who have asthma attacks triggered by hot and humid conditions or those including hospital staff that have allergic reactions to some of the materials and how they are treated. They maybe in the minority both dont discount them at a drop of a hat.
Some interesting scientific research papers on those minority hospital workers, and have a look at comments on asthma websites, before judging people. Some people with asthma can wear them, others not.

Very easy to day just cocoon, when supports have decreased for those people and services closing due to funding issues which will only get worse if a recession appears.

And if staff taking precautions and everyone else in the public why shouldnt a person who is exempt be not allowed?

is_that_so

amadangomor wrote: »

There is a pandemic incase you haven't noticed :rolleyes:

People's right to health is far more important to someone's right to shop. Especially when there are online alternatives.

No mask people will mean staying in fecking level 5 for longer, no thanks. Wear a mask when you are around other people or stay away if you can't manage that.

Unless you imagine policing people's homes is runner that's a silly comment. It's the close contacts and the number of them that is doing it, not the lack of masks.

mloc123

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

You apparently have difficulty with reading and comprehension so not wise to call other people “dumb”

Well, if that is your attitude... It is pretty obvious from your posts that your aren't the sharpest

Grow some balls and stop acting like a child. If you don't want your siblings visiting, tell them.

khalessi

Happydays2020 wrote: »

That study Is rubbish or Ireland is different. The Deputy CMO set out the other day that there are no problems with schools and infections despite the fact that it defies all logic.

Big group of people (who are unlikely to be showing symptoms unlike the flu or colds) from 30 separate households hang out together for 6 hours per day in close surroundings, then they visit their homes for the other 14 hours having meals together etc, then repeat. Sure what could go wrong....

Study from Princeton, HSE won't read it as they only read European reports, which conveniently allows them ignore, that Princeton study, the South Korean study and the Indian study which all have shown children's role in transmission

Blondini

Stheno wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1320209842859134977?s=19

New Princeton study indicates children are a factor in spreading the virus

It would be news to some on this thread that children are in fact human, with the same design of respiratory system as adults.

Ground-breaking stuff indeed for a minority.

is_that_so

khalessi wrote: »

Study from Princeton, HSE won't read it as they only read European reports, which conveniently allows them ignore, that Princeton study, the South Korean study and the Indian study which all have shown children's role in transmission

HSE say they have rates of about 2% in positivity to go on, that's real life data.

amadangomor

speckle wrote: »

Say that to people who have asthma attacks triggered by hot and humid conditions or those including hospital staff that have allergic reactions to some of the materials and how they are treated. They maybe in the minority both dont discount them at a drop of a hat.
Some interesting scientific research papers on those minority hospital workers, and have a look at comments on asthma websites, before judging people. Some people with asthma can wear them, others not.

Very easy to day just cocoon, when supports have decreased for those people and services closing due to funding issues which will only get worse if a recession appears.

And if staff taking precautions and everyone else in the public why shouldnt a person who is exempt be not allowed?

It's simple, masks protect people from this virus.

Not wearing a mask for whatever reason, great but don't go to a place where you will be around other people potentially infecting them.

Happydays2020

is_that_so wrote: »

HSE say they have rates of about 2% in positivity to go on, that's real life data.

Are they doing serial testing in random schools to confirm that?!

Icyseanfitz

majcos wrote: »

It’s a large enough sample size to be able to make some inferences on positivity rates. Similar data on larger scale from other countries is giving the same results.

Its really not, other countries are admitting there is a problem with schools and transmission

khalessi

is_that_so wrote: »

HSE say they have rates of about 2% in positivity to go on, that's real life data.

Well the HSE wanted to test only a pod in a class with covid+ve student, teacher insisteed on whole class being tested and low and behold 7 more asymptomatic children turned up.

Don't test don't see.

amadangomor

is_that_so wrote: »

Unless you imagine policing people's homes is runner that's a silly comment. It's the close contacts and the number of them that is doing it, not the lack of masks.

I was talking about indoor public places, I never mentioned homes.


Nice whataboutery though.

is_that_so

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Are they doing serial testing in random schools to confirm that?!

You should ask them rather than posit something you're convinced they're doing wrong anyway.

GazzaL

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Its really not, other countries are admitting there is a problem with schools and transmission

NPHET have manipulated our figures both through their policies (not considering children in the same classroom as positive cases to be close contacts) and their failures (completely ineffective contact tracing).

Charles Babbage

speckle wrote: »

Say that to people who have asthma attacks triggered by hot and humid conditions or those including hospital staff that have allergic reactions to some of the materials and how they are treated. They maybe in the minority both dont discount them at a drop of a hat.
Some interesting scientific research papers on those minority hospital workers, and have a look at comments on asthma websites, before judging people. Some people with asthma can wear them, others not.

Very easy to day just cocoon, when supports have decreased for those people and services closing due to funding issues which will only get worse if a recession appears.

And if staff taking precautions and everyone else in the public why shouldnt a person who is exempt be not allowed?

Masks are to protect others. It isn't rocket science, if you do not wear one, whatever your excuse, then do not enter public transport and buildings. A person unwilling to maintain hygiene should not have a job in a hospital. Partially sighted people are not allowed drive, whether or not this inconveniences them, because they would be a threat to everyone else. And a

amadangomor

mloc123 wrote: »

Well, if that is your attitude... It is pretty obvious from your posts that your aren't the sharpest

Grow some balls and stop acting like a child. If you don't want your siblings visiting, tell them.

Reported.

is_that_so

amadangomor wrote: »

I was talking about indoor public places, I never mentioned homes.


Nice whataboutery though.

Well now you know for the next time you go posting loose claims! No data to suggest that many such locations are high risk areas anyway.

mloc123

khalessi wrote: »

Well the HSE wanted to test only a pod in a class with covid+ve student, teacher insisteed on whole class being tested and low and behold 7 more asymptomatic children turned up.

Don't test don't see.

So... There are people saying children aren't being tested, but then some people pointing out the rate of cases in that age group being high. The positivity rate is 2% in kids per NPHET.

So it can't be all three.

amadangomor

is_that_so wrote: »

Well now you know for the next time you go posting loose claims! No data to suggest that many such locations are high risk areas anyway.

:rolleyes:

mloc123

amadangomor wrote: »

Reported.

You don't need to post to report... Just click the little icon

mloc123

GazzaL wrote: »

NPHET have manipulated our figures both through their policies (not considering children in the same classroom as positive cases to be close contacts) and their failures (completely ineffective contact tracing).

What is the payoff for NHPET (not the government) to do that?

khalessi

mloc123 wrote: »

So... There are people saying children aren't being tested, but then some people pointing out the rate of cases in that age group being high. The positivity rate is 2% in kids per NPHET.

So it can't be all three.

HSE dont want cases in schools, they dont care if they turn up elsewhere, but the fact is there are asymptomatic children in schools not being tested because they are asymptomatic, so parents dont know and schools dont know. There is also unidentifibale community spread hmmm

is_that_so

amadangomor wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Nicely done, the pre-pubescent response!

growleaves

amadangomor wrote: »

Reported.

To the guards?

amadangomor

mloc123 wrote: »

You don't need to post to report... Just click the little icon

I did

Happydays2020

is_that_so wrote: »

You should ask them rather than posit something you're convinced they're doing wrong anyway.

You are posting a figure from them, and I am asking what was the methodology? Because that 2% figure may be nonsense if limited or no testing is done.

mloc123

amadangomor wrote: »

I did

Very good. Thanks for keeping us all in the loop.

amadangomor

is_that_so wrote: »

Nicely done, the pre-pubescent response!

Pointless arguing with you.

WoollyRedHat

[Deleted User] wrote: »

To be fair, there isn't that many covid patients in hospital as most cases are mild. It's more an issue with staff than issues of bed space at the moment.

Should we not be looking at setting up community field centres for those who show mild to moderate symptomsp, like they did in South Korea.

speckle

amadangomor wrote: »

It's simple, masks protect people from this virus.

Not wearing a mask for whatever reason, great but don't go to a place where you will be around other people potentially infecting them.

Some of the people know they are high risk and are in the minority who cant wear masks are the most concious of the risks, many of them use all other protective measures and for example may only go to shop every 2/3 weeks having had zero close contacts.. and socially distance while doing so. Where as the mask wearers may have had many social/home contacts and dont bother staying 2 metres away from people shopping.
Which are you more likely to get infected by?

All I am saying is dont judge a book by its cover or in this case mask or not.

Boggles

Biological humans under the age of 19 spread Covid shocker.

Hopefully we stop pretending they don't before Wave 3.

majcos

speckle wrote: »

Say that to people who have asthma attacks triggered by hot and humid conditions or those including hospital staff that have allergic reactions to some of the materials and how they are treated. They maybe in the minority both dont discount them at a drop of a hat.
Some interesting scientific research papers on those minority hospital workers, and have a look at comments on asthma websites, before judging people. Some people with asthma can wear them, others not.

Very easy to day just cocoon, when supports have decreased for those people and services closing due to funding issues which will only get worse if a recession appears.

And if staff taking precautions and everyone else in the public why shouldnt a person who is exempt be not allowed?

I didn’t discount them or say they should not be allowed in.

My post was in reply to AI screening of those wearing masks on entry to shops. Such a system could allow those wearing masks in but also alert a security guard or other member of staff if someone tried to enter without a mask. In that case, the staff could attend to that individual and check if they have a medical exemption.

I intended to imply that those exempt from mask wearing was a smaller proportion of the general population compared to those who can wear masks. I suggested that they should cocoon if they could but my post also acknowledges that this might not be possible for everyone so I suggested that in those cases they could be addressed on an individual basis rather than not be allowed in by AI screening.

UrbanFret

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronavirus-vaccine-could-available-nhs-19162139

Happydays2020

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Apparently playing GAA and rugby also makes a person immune.

Not so with golf and tennis, it has been scientifically proved that smaller numbers of people playing non contact sport together makes the virus more transmittable.

(It has nothing to do with GAA matches being pay-per-view on the GAAGO streaming service, sponsors etc)

There is a difference between rugby and GAA.

The rugby players are professional and it is their job so they can bubble to a degree and the testing has picked up cases.

GAA players are amateur (teachers, doctors, factory workers etc). Interesting to see that one county forfeited a game as employers of some players are saying players will have to quarantine for 14 days before coming back to the workplace.

Psychiatric Patrick

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Prob not a good idea to get the Guards involved.

If you have any relationship with your siblings ask them to socially distance if your mother is vulnerable and to keep the house ventilated when there.

The isolation involved in lock downs is really difficult for people. And the best thing they can do is to follow the safest practices while there (short of not going at all).

My niece is intelligent and she just shrugs her shoulders at it. It is happening and cannot be stopped - none of them have Covid anyway - she is just so her Nana just lose her mind from the copious about dog BS that will be spouted.

The sister I do get along well with said not much point of arguing or calling the Guards. It would just result in more bad feeling from my father creating actual real upset for my mother against the possible chance there would be an infection.

She suggested should the opportunity arise of making my opinion and disdain known. And that the sight of me going around the house when I get back might help renew my father’s previously help Covid concerns

JP Liz V1

https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1320307797582614528

is_that_so

Happydays2020 wrote: »

You are posting a figure from them, and I am asking what was the methodology? Because that 2% figure may be nonsense if limited or no testing is done.

The 2% is data. Your opinion and mine are just that, driven by whatever confirmation bias we have of this. They have consistently stuck by those numbers. That may be based on the government desire to keep schools open. If that is the case one could also question the motivation of people who continue to challenge them.

Boggles

is_that_so wrote: »

HSE say they have rates of about 2% in positivity to go on, that's real life data.

HSE says there has been 10 infections traced to pubs.

"real life data"

Indeed.

MerlinSouthDub

khalessi wrote: »

HSE dont want cases in schools, they dont care if they turn up elsewhere, but the fact is there are asymptomatic children in schools not being tested because they are asymptomatic, so parents dont know and schools dont know. There is also unidentifibale community spread hmmm

Levels of community spread are the same now as in August. Those magical schools even managed to cause spread when they were closed....

smellyoldboot

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

Are you sniffing something?

What are you talking about ? “muddy the waters”

I said I didn’t understand the new restrictions and I asked if this gathering at my parents house was against the rules.

You acting as though I’m trying to make “excuses” because we “got caught having a party” - that makes zero sense. Why would I mention the gathering here in be first place?

The only slow mind here is yourself.

A whole family full of simpletons. What hope is there at all.

is_that_so

Boggles wrote: »

HSE says there has been 10 infections traced to pubs.

"real life data"

Indeed.

Indeed, all about our confirmation bias.

speckle

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Masks are to protect others. It isn't rocket science, if you do not wear one, whatever your excuse, then do not enter public transport and buildings. A person unwilling to maintain hygiene should not have a job in a hospital. Partially sighted people are not allowed drive, whether or not this inconveniences them, because they would be a threat to everyone else. And a

By the way some people who are partially sighted may be in the minority of the very people not wearing a mask. Think.. that is why there are exemptions for a minority of people.

Happydays2020

is_that_so wrote: »

The 2% is data. Your opinion and mine are just that, driven by whatever confirmation bias we have of this. They have consistently stuck by those numbers. That may be based on the government desire to keep schools open. If that is the case one could also question the motivation of people who continue to challenge them.

I am fine if risks are taken and I have said in another post that the risk of not being in school might be greater than being in a regulated environment. I just do not like if there is a policy decision to pretend a risk does not exist.
I know it is delicate and political.

Boggles

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1320307797582614528

We're all be part of the solution. Let's keep this going

Paul you are not part of the solution, you are making it harder for everyone because you an incompetent clown who thinks aiming for 70% is an acceptable target during a once in a generation pandemic.

Fúck off Paul.

growleaves

Don't forget to mask your intentions if you're talking to a beautiful woman.

speckle

majcos wrote: »

I didn’t discount them or say they should not be allowed in.

My post was in reply to AI screening of those wearing masks on entry to shops. Such a system could allow those wearing masks in but also alert a security guard or other member of staff if someone tried to enter without a mask. In that case, the staff could attend to that individual and check if they have a medical exemption.

I intended to imply that those exempt from mask wearing was a smaller proportion of the general population compared to those who can wear masks. I suggested that they should cocoon if they could but my post also acknowledges that this might not be possible for everyone so I suggested that in those cases they could be addressed on an individual basis rather than not be allowed in by AI screening.

That is a fair enough balanced and nuanced approach unlike some on here. Thankyou

Psychiatric Patrick

mloc123 wrote: »

Well, if that is your attitude... It is pretty obvious from your posts that your aren't the sharpest

Grow some balls and stop acting like a child. If you don't want your siblings visiting, tell them.

Stop derailing conversations