Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

Happydays2020

Happydays2020 wrote: »

There is a difference between rugby and GAA.

The rugby players are professional and it is their job so they can bubble to a degree and the testing has picked up cases.

GAA players are amateur (teachers, doctors, factory workers etc). Interesting to see that one county forfeited a game as employers of some players are saying players will have to quarantine for 14 days before coming back to the workplace.

Then why have golf and tennis been restricted under level 5 regulations, and GAA and rugby have not?

GAA is pay-per-view if you use the new GAAGO streaming app. Individual matches are €5 and an all season pass is €79.

Golf and tennis are not pay-per-view, and they are not bound by large sponsorship contracts. Allianz, AIB, Centra, Eir, Electric Ireland all sponsor the GAA.

Drumpot

mloc123 wrote: »

So... There are people saying children aren't being tested, but then some people pointing out the rate of cases in that age group being high. The positivity rate is 2% in kids per NPHET.

So it can't be all three.

Regardless of anybody’s stance on a topic, with regards to “schools affect on transmission” , if a person or institution refuses to Acknowledge and address information that contradicts a particular stance I’m always very concerned with their message.

There is and has been plenty of information and data that suggests children are no less likely to spread the disease and that a school environment , while more controlled , is just as likely to spread disease as the average office. And yet people are being strongly encouraged to work from home and currently most of us can’t work in an office even if we wanted!

The HSE and NEPHET have refused to elaborate on their sentiments on schools, quite often repeating the phrase that most cases in schools are gotten outside of them. They were saying this before our schools opened and appear to be recording the data that only corroborates these sentiments.

When I see the Authorities being this absolute and confident about the school’s conundrum when you can find plenty of evidence That suggests otherwise, I don’t trust them. Even on the WHOs is website while it tries to push the narrative that schools aren’t so bad it says “ The role of children in transmission is not yet fully understood.“. There you go, even the politically manipulated mouth piece “WHO” admit they really just don’t know how much schools are involved in transmission.

Incidentally they recommend children over 12 wear masks in schools and that between 5-12 that maybe they should Aswell. If it’s clear children don’t really spread the virus much why would this be needed?

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-schools

I could go on a lot more but this is just very difficult to digest when you think of it on any basic level. It’s a virus, it spreads among people like a virus. There is no definitive evidence that suggests children transmit it any less, just sentiments by the looks of it. “The virus doesn’t spread as much among children” is the unverified narrative that’s being used to promote safety of schools.

There is a huge importance to keeping schools open on many levels , so the government at the very least has a motive to promote a lie to make it more palatable for parents/society.

Boggles

is_that_so wrote: »

Indeed, all about our confirmation bias.

At least your honest I suppose.

amadangomor

speckle wrote: »

Some of the people know they are high risk and are in the minority who cant wear masks are the most concious of the risks, many of them use all other protective measures and for example may only go to shop every 2/3 weeks having had zero close contacts.. and socially distance while doing so. Where as the mask wearers may have had many social/home contacts and dont bother staying 2 metres away from people shopping.
Which are you more likely to get infected by?

All I am saying is dont judge a book by its cover or in this case mask or not.

Why would they be putting themselves or others at unnecessary risk?

I have asthma/breathing problems as a legacy from suspected Covid in March. I don't want anyone around me without a mask.

I've had to self isolate twice this year and was easy to get everything I need online.

Strumms

mloc123 wrote: »

Yeah... Because all parents do such a great job at that. Just need to look at the gangs of teenagers out every night setting off fireworks.

Parenting seems to have become seriously unfashionable these days in certain quarters.

khalessi

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Levels of community spread are the same now as in August. Those magical schools even managed to cause spread when they were closed....

Schools were open in August btw and there were also summer camps, and people including childrenmixing more. I am not saying they are the main spreaders but the fact that everyone here and in gov seem to think that schools are not part of the community, or that children are not spreading it is farcical.

Sure be grand discuss it with ya when tribunal in 10-15 years time.

smellyoldboot

Strumms wrote: »

Parenting seems to have become seriously unfashionable these days in certain quarters.

That is so 1950. Dragged up adults dragging up kids. Not sure when responsible parenting went out of vogue but it was some time before the 1980s in this country.

Psychiatric Patrick

smellyoldboot wrote: »

A whole family full of simpletons. What hope is there at all.

It is a country full of simpletons which is why we still in this situation

If my sisters were only half wits that would be easy to deal with.

Mental illness and years of denying it have done the damage

Happydays2020

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Then why have golf and tennis been restricted under level 5 regulations, and GAA and rugby have not?

GAA is pay-per-view if you use the new GAAGO streaming app. Individual matches are €5 and an all season pass is €79.

Golf and tennis are not pay-per-view, and they are not bound by large sponsorship contracts. Allianz, AIB, Centra, Eir, Electric Ireland all sponsor the GAA.

Professional golf and tennis tournaments would probably be allowed as elite sports.

I think there is a question mark on whether GAA is an elite sport as it is amateur. But I understand why they want it to go ahead. Not a fan myself but many many people live for their county and the GAA.

mloc123

Drumpot wrote: »

Regardless of anybody’s stance on a topic, with regards to “schools affect on transmission” , if a person or institution refuses to Acknowledge and address information that contradicts a particular stance I’m always very concerned with their message.

There is and has been plenty of information and data that suggests children are no less likely to spread the disease and that a school environment , while more controlled , is just as likely to spread disease as the average office. And yet people are being strongly encouraged to work from home and currently most of us can’t work in an office even if we wanted!

The HSE and NEPHET have refused to elaborate on their sentiments on schools, quite often repeating the phrase that most cases in schools are gotten outside of them. They were saying this before our schools opened and appear to be recording the data that only corroborates these sentiments.

When I see the Authorities being this absolute and confident about the school’s conundrum when you can find plenty of evidence That suggests otherwise, I don’t trust them. Even on the WHOs is website while it tries to push the narrative that schools aren’t so bad it says “ The role of children in transmission is not yet fully understood.“. There you go, even the politically manipulated mouth piece “WHO” admit they really just don’t know how much schools are involved in transmission.

Incidentally they recommend children over 12 wear masks in schools and that between 5-12 that maybe they should Aswell. If it’s clear children don’t really spread the virus much why would this be needed?

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-schools

I could go on a lot more but this is just very difficult to digest when you think of it on any basic level. It’s a virus, it spreads among people like a virus. There is no definitive evidence that suggests children transmit it any less, just sentiments by the looks of it. “The virus doesn’t spread as much among children” is the unverified narrative that’s being used to promote safety of schools.

There is a huge importance to keeping schools open on many levels , so the government at the very least has a motive to promote a lie to make it more palatable for parents/society.

One additional aspect of keeping schools open might be, it keeps people at home. If the schools closed for a month tomorrow... I think I'd be one of the first people booking a flight to somewhere a little more cheerful.

Having missed out on 3 attempts to staycation this year so far due to localised and national lockdowns.

When the schools closed in march, people had to be reminded for weeks... This isn't summer holidays, it isn't an excuse to travel around the county and visit/stay with family etc..

The stance from NPHET is, schools are as safe and maybe safer than other places.. and IMO, this is down to teachers. Because they will do a better job than a substantial percentage of parents at making sure kids keep apart.

Happydays2020

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Professional golf and tennis tournaments would probably be allowed as elite sports.

I think there is a question mark on whether GAA is an elite sport as it is amateur. But I understand why they want it to go ahead. Not a fan myself but many many people live for their county and the GAA.

I like GAA, its just that I am suspicious as to why matches have been allowed to continue, where golf and tennis have been restricted. The GAA must have a large influence on government decisions.

I know many people who live for their golf, and especially now during a lockdown.

The restriction on tennis seems completely illogical. I know a lot of young people are very disappointed that tennis has been restricted. It is not a contact sport, it can be played by 2 people standing a good 10 metres apart

Happydays2020

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I like GAA, its just that I am suspicious as to why matches have been allowed to continue, where golf and tennis have been restricted. The GAA must have a large influence on government decisions.

I know many people who live for their golf, and especially now during a lockdown.

The restriction on tennis seems completely illogical. I know a lot of young people are very disappointed that tennis has been restricted. It is not a contact sport, it can be played by 2 people standing a good 10 metres apart

I thought it was only the all Ireland which was allowed to go ahead. I did not realise it was all levels and training.

manniot2

eagle eye wrote: »

Very stupid.


He doesn't have the power to shut us down. As part of NPHET he has the job of making recommendations.

They government decide what happens as they did when they ignored NPHET's advice a couple of weeks ago.

give over. its political suicide not following nphet as leo quickly realised and backtracked on.

Happydays2020

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I thought it was only the all Ireland which was allowed to go ahead. I did not realise it was all levels and training.

Yes, all inter county club championship matches are going ahead as usual. Senior county matches are continuing as normal and you can watch some of them as pay-per-view here

https://www.gaago.ie/


Meanwhile yesterday, Basketball Ireland were informed that outdoor training only is permitted, adults must train on their own, outdoor training must be non contact, pods are limited to 15 people, no mixing between pods, players training must maintain social distancing of 2 metres at all times.

No equipment should be shared, this includes passing the ball (hello?)

speckle

amadangomor wrote: »

Why would they be putting themselves or others at unnecessary risk?

I have asthma/breathing problems as a legacy from suspected Covid in March. I don't want anyone around me without a mask.

I've had to self isolate twice this year and was easy to get everything I need online.

Well you are lucky then(I dont mean the covid/asthma)
Some people who are disabled/chronic health isssues live down the country in areas with little ir no broadband or even good mobile reception.

Many of these also live on c200 not the 350 pup or have been not been able to work in between a period of self isolation/test result waiting.

And disablility and other services have been crumbling for years. An extra 5 euros on a delievery for a kettle from argos when constantly repeated over 9 months so far etc or higher prices in the local shop is enough to break their budgets.

I hope your asthma resolves eventually but ask people with disabilitys including those with asthma long term and they will tell you services are not up to scratch. eg if on the medical card see the red tape to get certain asthma equipment)

If they are part of the minority who have medical exemtions for wearing masks will they not be able to shop , go to the dentist or even a hospital appointment, meet with friends? etc.

If you are understandably nervous of a solitary person without a mask please socially distance from them as you do not know the reason behind a decesion that they may have made in conjunction with their own specialists/doctors.

This includes by the way a minority of people who have had covid and cannot wear a mask and for example a minority of people who have been subjects of horrific domestic or childhood abuse in the past or somebody with special needs that looks ordinary.

Regarding the asthma push if you can afford it to see a specialist (not all gps have the most up to date asthma knowledge) and connect with asthma groups not just here in Ireland but internationally, but hopefully it will resolve with time as you recover fully.

Roger_007

Deleted User wrote: »

I like GAA, its just that I am suspicious as to why matches have been allowed to continue, where golf and tennis have been restricted. The GAA must have a large influence on government decisions.

I know many people who live for their golf, and especially now during a lockdown.

The restriction on tennis seems completely illogical. I know a lot of young people are very disappointed that tennis has been restricted. It is not a contact sport, it can be played by 2 people standing a good 10 metres apart

Th restrictions on golf and tennis are not because of any danger they pose to health. Golf and tennis are perceived to be sports indulged in by the better off in society, so it’s just for the political optics to lump them in with other sports.
GAA, on the other hand, is perceived as the sport of the ‘ordinary decent’ people of Ireland, so they are allowing it to go ahead in case the ‘ordinary decent’ people get too pi$$ed off and start making trouble.
If the decisions around sport were based solely on health, they could allow non-contact outdoor sports to go head and simply ban all contact sports.
It just wouldn’t go down well politically.

jackboy

Roger_007 wrote: »

Th restrictions on golf and tennis are not because of any danger they pose to health. Golf and tennis are perceived to be sports indulged in by the better off in society, so it’s just for the political optics to lump them in with other sports.
GAA, on the other hand, is perceived as the sport of the ‘ordinary decent’ people of Ireland, so they are allowing it to go ahead in case the ‘ordinary decent’ people get too pi$$ed off and start making trouble.
If the decisions around sport were based solely on health, they could allow non-contact outdoor sports to go head and simply ban all contact sports.
It just wouldn’t go down well politically.

Correct. Going for a walk on a footpath is a far higher risk than playing golf.

Eod100

Varadkar on RTE radio 1 now. Seems confident vaccines will be available in first quarter or first half of year for high risk groups.

zerosugarbuzz

manniot2 wrote: »

give over. its political suicide not following nphet as leo quickly realised and backtracked on.

Quite the opposite from me as a voter. Nphet can give advice but I expect the government to make decisions, which include avoiding the economic **** show that will follow on from these lockdowns.

Away With The Fairies

Stheno wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1320209842859134977?s=19

New Princeton study indicates children are a factor in spreading the virus

But we all know this doesn't happen in Ireland.

zerosugarbuzz

Eod100 wrote: »

Varadkar on RTE radio 1 now. Seems confident vaccines will be available in first quarter or first half of year for high risk groups.

He's guessing and spinning at the same time.

is_that_so

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

He's guessing and spinning at the same time.

Hmm, there seem to be more than a few doctors doing that throughout this!

giveitholly

How many were in hospital this time last week with covid? Seems like it hasn't climbed as much as previous weeks,maybe I am wrong

s1ippy

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

He's guessing and spinning at the same time.

Would it technically be a leak as well, even it's a lie?

poppers

Eod100 wrote: »

Varadkar on RTE radio 1 now. Seems confident vaccines will be available in first quarter or first half of year for high risk groups.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40070429.html

Pfizer seem confident their vaccine will be out this yr.

majcos

giveitholly wrote: »

How many were in hospital this time last week with covid? Seems like it hasn't climbed as much as previous weeks,maybe I am wrong

It climbed from 249 as of 8pm Friday 16th of October to 302 as of 8pm Friday 23rd of October (last available HSE operations report). Peak 8pm figure was on October 19th at 311.

However, in latter half of this week has seemed to leveled off and has dropped a little again. Bit early to know for sure but based on numbers in last few days signs of stabilization in hospitals.

manniot2

Guardian saying Uk front liners may get the good stuff by Xmas.

Imagine the first concert or football game you go to without restrictions. Will be heaven

Strumms

Roger_007 wrote: »

Th restrictions on golf and tennis are not because of any danger they pose to health. Golf and tennis are perceived to be sports indulged in by the better off in society, so it’s just for the political optics to lump them in with other sports.
GAA, on the other hand, is perceived as the sport of the ‘ordinary decent’ people of Ireland, so they are allowing it to go ahead in case the ‘ordinary decent’ people get too pi$$ed off and start making trouble.
If the decisions around sport were based solely on health, they could allow non-contact outdoor sports to go head and simply ban all contact sports.
It just wouldn’t go down well politically.

If people could trust the golf set, but there have been instances so far that shows, well....that’s not really guaranteed...

The act of playing a round of golf isn’t just two people who participate in a sport and ‘can’ adhere to social distancing.

Look at golf at the club..

greenskeepers... doing work that needs to be done more often then not as part of a team, in close quarters with one another. Their job is essential as without them the course is unplayable.

Reception... minimum of two to three to four people, working across the spectrum of ten to eleven hours in close quarters, taking calls, making calls, meeting colleagues and customers...all assorted tasks.

All the vendors who supply them with everything from stationery to paper, to supplies for the course,... golf is not essential.

KrustyUCC

giveitholly wrote: »

How many were in hospital this time last week with covid? Seems like it hasn't climbed as much as previous weeks,maybe I am wrong

As of 2pm, 277 patients with Covid-19 are hospitalised, of which 33 are in ICU. 17 additional hospitalizations were made in the last 24 hours.

https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-19-cases-deaths-ireland-today-5237022-Oct2020/

whereas Today

Latest figures from public health officials show there are 295 patients in hospital with Covid-19, of which 37 are in intensive care.

The figures, which are from 8am this morning, is a slight reduction from 312 yesterday.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1025/1173788-coronavirus-ireland/

KennisWhale

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

But we all know this doesn't happen in Ireland.

Children may spread it but not when they're in school as covid cannot spread when kids are sitting in a classroom.

tobefrank321

manniot2 wrote: »

Guardian saying Uk front liners may get the good stuff by Xmas.

If its the Oxford vaccine its unlikely to stop the staff being infected at some stage and some may still be able to infect others. There will be far more asymptomatic people with the new vaccine with a mild version of covid.

And its very unlikely the vaccine has been trialed on the very highest risk from covid 19, the very elderly, pregnant women or those who are immuno compromised.

Plumbthedepths

Strumms wrote: »

If people could trust the golf set, but there have been instances so far that shows, well....that’s not really guaranteed...

The act of playing a round of golf isn’t just two people who participate in a sport and ‘can’ adhere to social distancing.

Look at golf at the club..

greenskeepers... doing work that needs to be done more often then not as part of a team, in close quarters with one another. Their job is essential as without them the course is unplayable.

Reception... minimum of two to three to four people, working across the spectrum of ten to eleven hours in close quarters, taking calls, making calls, meeting colleagues and customers...all assorted tasks.

All the vendors who supply them with everything from stationery to paper, to supplies for the course,... golf is not essential.

Absolute rubbish from you lad.

Stheno

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-range-of-key-indicators-on-spread-of-disease-starting-to-decline-1.4390739?mode=amp

HSE chief executive Paul Reid on Sunday morning noted the eight-day fall in the positivity rate for tests, which on Saturday stood at 6.2 per cent for the previous seven days.

Mr Reid also noted a fall in the number of close contacts, down from 4½ per confrimed case to three.

“Most close contacts are household. Still very early but good. We’re all be part of the solution. Let’s keep this going,” he said on Twitter.

More than 1,000 new cases a day of the disease have been recorded on 10 days this month, but numbers have fallen below this level over the past two days.

The rate of community transmission has remained constant, at 28 per cent, since the start of the month.

If community transmission has stayed at 28% for the pat month, can the drop in cases be attributed to getting clusters reduced as a result of less contacts/getting existing clusters under control?

Drumpot

Eod100 wrote: »

Varadkar on RTE radio 1 now. Seems confident vaccines will be available in first quarter or first half of year for high risk groups.

I’d imagine he’s saying it To offer hope to people and to explain the stance the government are taking. In short our government and authorities are banking on a vaccine next year to help us amend our strategy. Whether you agree with that stance or not I think it explains why they have gone with the draconian lockdown strategy. That’s what I’m taking from this sort of interview but some people are looking to attack certain statements at every opportunity.

The lies about schools do really annoy me, but I equally understand why they are lieing. There are more variables to communication with the public and sometimes people want to be led and lied to. The school lie actually suits a lot of people to believe. It’s another thing I’ve sort of noticed, a lot of people don’t like to dig deeper into what they are being told and as such prefer to just take what they are being told at face value. Take Sweden , of course the most of their population are happy to follow a “let it rip”policy, it suits them to believe whatever fairytale their government tells them so they can all mostly suit themselves.

I’m listening to some dope on Newstalk saying “we cannot keep running in fear of this virus” in terms of opening things up. Like what does that even mean? It’s such a soundbite statement that doesn’t hold up under scrutiny but a lit of people would share these sentiments. It’s such an overly simplistic and mostly emotive stance to take on this topic. This seems to be the same kind of view many take in here, “x suits what I want to think therefore I won’t acknowledge anything but the things that suit what I want to believe”.

In other news, supposedly RTE always post negative news, Current top story is “positivity rate continues to decline” https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1025/1173788-coronavirus-ireland/ . So where are all the people complaining about all the negative news to acknowledge this? I’d say they only kick up a fuss when the news is not to their liking.

But let’s look at that in general. I’d say in the most prosperous, peaceful period ever, that most of the news reported was bad. You would swear that Newspapers or news on tv was generally balanced before it. Bad news sells and people are instinctively more interested in bad news, that’s just a fact. So why would anybody expect the news to promote more goods news? Don’t expect news mediums to tell you information the way you want to hear it. Either don’t listen or find multiple sources (Reuters or john Hopkins etc) that Can at least help you challange a narrative or at least get alternative angles. If you only watch a select bunch of sources that upset you then maybe you need to ask why you continue to follow these sources.

Stheno

Great. Leo says strategy is delay and vaccinate

In other words, rolling restrictions

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1320359131879034882?s=19

owlbethere

manniot2 wrote: »

Guardian saying Uk front liners may get the good stuff by Xmas.

Imagine the first concert or football game you go to without restrictions. Will be heaven

The good stuff - are you referring to a vaccine? That's good news.

Stheno

owlbethere wrote: »

The good stuff - are you referring to a vaccine? That's good news.

Yes. Its all over British media that they are planning now to roll out a vaccine to healthcar workers in early December

Question is how many of them will take it?

Icyseanfitz

KennisWhale wrote: »

Children may spread it but not when they're in school as covid cannot spread when kids are sitting in a classroom.

This was said in sarcasm right?

stephenjmcd

tobefrank321 wrote: »

If its the Oxford vaccine its unlikely to stop the staff being infected at some stage and some may be still be able to infect others.

That is completely unknown and we don't have efficiency data yet from phase 3. It is due soon.

In phase 1 trials it was the case that some shedding was observed in the nose of monkeys that were exposed to a higher viral load than any human would be. Others had traces but weren't shedding.

Wait for efficiency data from phase 3 before coming out with such a definitive statement. A vaccine that limits disease severity would be acceptable for a graduated return to normal life, early data showed the lungs being protected and that is key.

stephenjmcd

Hearing of some public sector staff being seconded back to contact tracing from Tuesday.

These were initially moved to contact tracing back in March/April and then back to their own departments over the summer. Now being moved back in again for the duration of level 5.

owlbethere

Stheno wrote: »

Yes. Its all over British media that they are planning now to roll out a vaccine to healthcar workers in early December

Question is how many of them will take it?

That is good news. I suspect a lot of people in healthcare especially the front line staff might have been exposed and infected already with the virus. I know someone on the fontline over there and she was a positive. Her symptoms were nil. They are testing frontline staff every week there. I suspect a lot of people already were infected with the virus and I don't know how beneficial a vaccine would be.


Would anything happen if someone contracted the virus but was asymptomatic and didn't display any symptoms and they didn't know they had the virus and received a vaccine on top of it?

mloc123

Stheno wrote: »

Great. Leo says strategy is delay and vaccinate

In other words, rolling restrictions

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1320359131879034882?s=19

Confirming what almost everyone had guessed. No European country has a different plan.

political analyst

Why is there a time-lag in the reporting of Covid deaths? Surely, it must be possible to report the number of such deaths in a specific period without revealing anything that would indicate the identities of those who died.

xhomelezz

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

This was said in sarcasm right?

Pretty sure it was. In line with what Norma trying to tell us

Risteard81

majcos wrote: »

Very very few people are really exempt. The only group that is truly exempt is those who do not understand why they are wearing a mask and would therefore be distressed by it, for example someone with special needs or cognitive impairment. Exemptions include someone who is unconscious or incapacitated and someone who is unable to remove it without help. I believe this in case those groups vomit and then they might aspirate their own vomit or could choke.

HSE website also mentions face mask is not recommended for those who have trouble breathing. I do not understand this one. Masks can definitely be very uncomfortable but masks do not cause a actual drop in oxygen levels. I understand there might be an occasional exception but that could be addressed on an individual basis.

For those with pre-existing trouble breathing to such a degree that they cannot wear a mask for a few minutes and for the other groups mentioned above, surely they should be cocooning as much as possible and not going to shops. There should be very few exemptions.

Masks are to protect others from the wearer so I think the shops might have the right to refuse admission if they themselves felt uncomfortable with a non mask wearer entering the premises.

I am aware of masks. That doesn't imply that they don't cause me severe distress, so your point is nonsensical. Discrimination is a crime.

Goldrickssan

The world will implode if these vaccines turn out to be complete ass

stephenjmcd

political analyst wrote: »

Why is there a time-lag in the reporting of Covid deaths? Surely, it must be possible to report the number of such deaths in a specific period without revealing anything that would indicate the identities of those who died.

Main issue is the method of declaring a death in Ireland.

You've 3 months to register a death, until that happens its not notified

Risteard81

amadangomor wrote: »

There is a pandemic incase you haven't noticed :rolleyes:

People's right to health is far more important to someone's right to shop. Especially when there are online alternatives.

No mask people will mean staying in fecking level 5 for longer, no thanks. Wear a mask when you are around other people or stay away if you can't manage that.

Masks have nothing to do with Level 5 as they are a placebo for those incapable of rational thought. They are an affront to civilisation.

Stheno

mloc123 wrote: »

Confirming what almost everyone had guessed. No European country has a different plan.

The one thing missing for me is numbers

We know they are currently aiming for less than 100 cases a day as a target to move out of level five

If they could define the threshold for moving back e.g. from three to two or moving up again I think it would give people focus rather than bumbling along with no clarity

is_that_so

political analyst wrote: »

Why is there a time-lag in the reporting of Covid deaths? Surely, it must be possible to report the number of such deaths in a specific period without revealing anything that would indicate the identities of those who died.

Under present laws that can be up to 3 months. It needs to be changed.