Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

seefin

BringBackMick wrote: »

Because it is a complete overreaction, just like by this government.

She isn't going to catch covid walking by me on the street.

You might have looked like someone likely to sneeze or cough in her face- its easy to spot them

froog

suicide_circus wrote: »

Same as every other government then?

they're the first to admit it.

Antares35

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

What fear? Wear a mask, wash your hands and keep your distance. It's very simple.

Yeah it's insane the number of people who just don't give a fúck about the 2metre thing anymore. We notice that in the local park. There was a time if people were approaching, everyone would kind of go single file ish and move to one side or the other of the path. Nobody cares now it seems.

xhomelezz

Antares35 wrote: »

Yeah it's insane the number of people who just don't give a fúck about the 2metre thing anymore. We notice that in the local park. There was a time if people were approaching, everyone would kind of go single file ish and move to one side or the other of the path. Nobody cares now it seems.

And imagine the rules in the schools, you can only dream about 2 metres there.

BringBackMick

Ger Roe wrote: »

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Is there a lesson to be learn't here? They have much less restrictions and the situation is much worse there. Have you answered your own question?

Oh give over and to all the people who thanked the post, pathetic.

You know what I am saying, there is a happy level and Ireland has gone far too extreme on the restrictions.

We never even opened up fully in the summer. We didn't plan for an autumn wave.

We learnt nothing just the shut up shop knee jerk move.

Such a move is the easiest call anybody can make.

A tough job is coming up with a middle ground for a functioning social and economic life whilst keeping the virus level down.

We failed with this.

What Username Guidelines

52,000 cases in France today. Jaysus.

xhomelezz

BringBackMick wrote: »

Oh give over and to all the people who thanked the post, pathetic.

You know what I am saying, there is a happy level and Ireland has gone far too extreme on the restrictions.

We never even opened up fully in the summer. We didn't plan for an autumn wave.

We learnt nothing just the shut up shop knee jerk move.

Such a move is the easiest call anybody can make.

A tough job is coming up with a middle ground for a functioning social and economic life whilst keeping the virus level down.

We failed with this.

Far too extreme??? Laughable, always half cooked everything, so you get what you get. Extreme, not even close. This country is way too busy to discuss any excuse available in the universe.

Roger_007

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

52,000 cases in France today. Jaysus.

I wonder how many are actually sick?

manniot2

Roger_007 wrote: »

I wonder how many are actually sick?

52 probably.

Thierry12

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

52,000 cases in France today. Jaysus.

NI matched that per capita weeks ago ;-)

coastwatch

The UK government is looking at reducing the quarantine duration for close contacts of a positive case, to between 7 and 10 days, as a study suggests only 11% of close contacts are complying fully with the current 14 day requirement.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-54678809

Real Donald Trump

normanoffside wrote: »

No, he has taken on a new role and now he advises us all directly.

Covid is the new Religion, bit like the Catholic Church and we must all obey

Tony = Pope
Government = Bishops
Guards = Priests

Happydays2020

coastwatch wrote: »

The UK government is looking at reducing the quarantine duration for close contacts of a positive case, to between 7 and 10 days, as a study suggests only 11% of close contacts are complying fully with the current 14 day requirement.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-54678809

if driven by science and a risk based approach It makes sense

Spiderman0081

Antares35 wrote: »

Yeah it's insane the number of people who just don't give a fúck about the 2metre thing anymore. We notice that in the local park. There was a time if people were approaching, everyone would kind of go single file ish and move to one side or the other of the path. Nobody cares now it seems.

They would be better a social distancing if there we no masks.

odyssey06

Spiderman0081 wrote: »

They would be better a social distancing if there we no masks.

In parks?
Not many ppl wearing them there.

manniot2

Spiderman0081 wrote: »

They would be better a social distancing if there we no masks.

As soon as the masks came in, people were on top of each other in the shops/queues again.

Beanybabog

Nothing to do with anything anyone is talking about!, but I posted earlier giving out about being listed for different test centres and on reflection I just realised how I said nothing positive... If this was March / April we wouldn’t have been tested at all. I’ve been in three test centres now and they are incredibly efficient. I have two small kids and the staff have been just really lovely and kind each time. Credit where it’s due, they are doing a great job

Field east

We are a nation of sensitive petals /snowflakes and to be very gently handled by gov and it’s agencies. I was shocked by the immediate outburst from all sides - and led by the opposition when the HSE had a plan to ask Covid 19 positives to contact people that were in close contact with.
Firstly, I understand that not all people who contact Covid get very sick and even if they do it may not be the case for the first few days of the virus, so I would expect that a significant number of those infected could make a good stab at contacting a lot/ all of their close contacts.

Secondly, a high number of those infected would have , husbands, wives, mothers , fathers, uncles , aunts, grandmothers , etc, etc , that could do the contact tracing on behalf of the person infected.

So why was it not the case that the contact tracing could have been done with some basic cooperation between the infected person and the HSE. The contact tracing under the above suggestion could be carried out much, much quicker.
The HSE would establish with each infected person at the outset the list of close contacts and agree a strategy on who will contact who. The infected persons would be much quicker in contacting contacts also because they would find their tel no’s quicker and , know the best time to contact them.

The HSE contact team , re the above strategy, would need to follow up on the infected person/‘next of kin’ re how the tracing is progressing

Funsterdelux

Real Donald Trump wrote: »

Covid is the new Religion, bit like the Catholic Church and we must all obey

Tony = Pope
Government = Bishops
Guards = Priests

Amen to that

Spiderman0081

Field east wrote: »

We are a nation of sensitive petals /snowflakes and to be very gently handled by gov and it’s agencies. I was shocked by the immediate outburst from all sides - and led by the opposition when the HSE had a plan to ask Covid 19 positives to contact people that were in close contact with.
Firstly, I understand that not all people who contact Covid get very sick and even if they do it may not be the case for the first few days of the virus, so I would expect that a significant number of those infected could make a good stab at contacting a lot/ all of their close contacts.

Secondly, a high number of those infected would have , husbands, wives, mothers , fathers, uncles , aunts, grandmothers , etc, etc , that could do the contact tracing on behalf of the person infected.

So why was it not the case that the contact tracing could have been done with some basic cooperation between the infected person and the HSE. The contact tracing under the above suggestion could be carried out much, much quicker.
The HSE would establish with each infected person at the outset the list of close contacts and agree a strategy on who will contact who. The infected persons would be much quicker in contacting contacts also because they would find their tel no’s quicker and , know the best time to contact them.

The HSE contact team , re the above strategy, would need to follow up on the infected person/‘next of kin’ re how the tracing is progressing

Cooperation went out the window when people weren’t allowed 2km from their home. That was not the HSE’s fault per say, but if NPHET and the government are bright enough to know what an entire country should and should not be doing, the vast majority of the population will expect that same government to figure contact tracing out.

Jim_Hodge

BringBackMick wrote: »

I was walking down the street today and some elderly woman with a mask almost jumped into a bush when i walked past, almost on the road.

The fear of god being peddled by the media will have us ruined for years.

Or perhaps she's a regular here, has read your attitude to the restrictions, and considered a defensive move was prudent.

Boggles

Roger_007 wrote: »

I wonder how many are actually sick?

Between 1500 and 2600 will need hospitalization depending on the profile of infection.

Sierra Oscar

Roger_007 wrote: »

I wonder how many are actually sick?

1,298 admitted to hospital today in France and 116 hospital deaths.

manniot2

There is an Irish doctor on Twitter with a good thread on the farcical PCR tests. He ends it by saying Leo knows it’s a farce but it’s political poison to go against Tony again. On the money there.

Qiaonasen

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3107016/coronavirus-chinas-kashgar-test-all-700000-residents-after

New outbreak now in China. Safe to say there is significant community spread there given that borders are closed. Last week Qingdao. This week Xinjiang. Presumably all over the place again.

caveat emptor

More info on German setup....
Seems fairly straightforward. Treated as actual bodily harm. State recognises that what is good for the many must sometimes come before the individual.





https://se-legal.de/breaking-quarantine-criminal-offence-in-germany-covid-19-coronavirus/?lang=en

I Am The Law

manniot2 wrote: »

There is an Irish doctor on Twitter with a good thread on the farcical PCR tests. He ends it by saying Leo knows it’s a farce but it’s political poison to go against Tony again. On the money there.

The bigger question is why did St.Tony return to the job so cranky.

owlbethere

caveat emptor wrote: »

More info on German setup....
Seems fairly straightforward. Treated as actual bodily harm. State recognises that what is good for the many must sometimes come before the individual.





https://se-legal.de/breaking-quarantine-criminal-offence-in-germany-covid-19-coronavirus/?lang=en

Proper order. There was isolation breakers here in the news/media and there were given a free pass to do as they please and want infecting others, increasing infection rates and thus the government collapsing businesses to control further spread of the virus.

WoollyRedHat

440Hertz wrote: »

Not sure if this has already been posted further back up the thread, but from the Irish Examiner. Seems to underline the urgent need for airport screening.

"A report into the outbreak states the laboratory-confirmed cases were linked to an international flight into Ireland in summer 2020.

That 7.5 hour-long flight, in which 49 of its 283 seats were filled, is believed to have landed at Dublin Airport in June.

The HSE was unable to contact 11 of the 49 passengers on board, and one of the passengers refused to be tested for Covid-19."


https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40070591.html

'and one of the passengers refused to be tested for Covid-19.' Prick, should have been stopped at border control on way back.

Thierry12

manniot2 wrote: »

There is an Irish doctor on Twitter with a good thread on the farcical PCR tests. He ends it by saying Leo knows it’s a farce but it’s political poison to go against Tony again. On the money there.

Link?

Funsterdelux

farce doctor twitter

Thierry12 wrote: »

Link?

Stheno

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-public-urged-to-stay-at-home-as-1-025-further-cases-confirmed-in-state-1.4390739?mode=amp

Tánaiste Leo Varadkar told RTÉ’s This Week that while it is “early days”, the Level 3 restrictions put in place in early October “are starting to have an effect”.

“You know we’re seeing the number of cases level off and the positivity rate fall. It is early days yet though, and we’ve yet to see what the effect of the Level 5 measures is, we won’t really know that until really November sometime.”

Mr Varadkar said the Government is “increasingly optimistic” that it will be possible to start vaccinating those most at risk from Covid-19 “in the first half if not first quarter of next year”.

He said he is confident that Ireland can move to “Level 3 and a bit” in December. “But at the same time, we need to not be complacent.”

Level 3 and a bit in December according to Leo

I'm not sure even 50% of the population would comply. There would have to be huge enforcement

Fiery mutant

Link says she doesn’t exist.

bb1234567

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/25/covid-world-map-countries-most-coronavirus-cases-deaths

Ireland is now one of the only countries in Europe where cases dropped in the last week, Netherlands is the only other country in Western Europe that saw a drop in cases. I know our early precautions were criticised because the situation didn't warrant their use but maybe we actually took a proactive and beneficial stance this time that most other countries did not foresee, the best time to implement new measures for covid is before it the measures are actually 'necessary' but I don't think many people are ever going to realise or accept that

KrustyUCC

Needs to be level three minus a bit especially in relation to travel

DeanAustin

owlbethere wrote: »

Proper order. There was isolation breakers here in the news/media and there were given a free pass to do as they please and want infecting others, increasing infection rates and thus the government collapsing businesses to control further spread of the virus.

Hard to do it here when you have clowns in the Dail saying that fines are too harsh for breaking the 5k limit. Rules without enforcement and people without responsibility for their own actions...

I don't blame the government either. It's people like PBP and wasn't there a member of FF or FG who was also against them?

mcburns07

bb1234567 wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/25/covid-world-map-countries-most-coronavirus-cases-deaths

Ireland is now one of the only countries in Europe where cases dropped in the last week, Netherlands is the only other country in Western Europe that saw a drop in cases. I know our early precautions were criticised because the situation didn't warrant their use but maybe we actually took a proactive and beneficial stance this time that most other countries did not foresee

We're a great bunch of lads aren't we!

The actual reality of the situation is other countries don't want to impose the level of restrictions we have for various reasons (for now).

Stheno

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Needs to be level three minus a bit especially in relation to travel

What of people coming home for Christmas? Imagine a mass influx from the UK now?

Jim_Hodge

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Needs to be level three minus a bit especially in relation to travel

If you mean international travel over Christmas and New year, then hopefully not.
Mass movement of people is not something we'd need at that point.

niallo27

Stheno wrote: »

What of people coming home for Christmas? Imagine a mass influx from the UK now?

Not if the pubs are open over there and not here.

bb1234567

mcburns07 wrote: »

We're a great bunch of lads aren't we!

The actual reality of the situation is other countries don't want to impose the level of restrictions we have for various reasons (for now).

Obviously..it'll turn out to be a mistake though because of the earlier reluctance and delay to do what we did. Belgium and France are well on their way to experiencing a second wave as bad as their first

Eod100

Stheno wrote: »

What of people coming home for Christmas? Imagine a mass influx from the UK now?

Guess it could be same it always was for travel all along, only for essential reasons. If there's checkpoints stopping people from going to different counties while people can fly back don't think people would be too happy. But either restrictions will only work if there's massive enforcement.

Stheno

bb1234567 wrote: »

Obviously..it'll turn out to be a mistake though because of the earlier reluctance and delay to do what we did. Belgium and France are well on their way to experiencing a second wave as bad as their first

Both are already worse than the first wave

Belgium cannot even test all those with symptoms

CalamariFritti

Goldrickssan wrote: »

The world will implode if these vaccines turn out to be complete ass

Wouldn't put it quite like that but I understand its been confirmed these vaccines are nothing like what people expect them to be. They wont give you immunity. They will not stop you getting it. And they will not stop you spreading it.

It does not sound at all like the are going to give people their lives back. Protect the vulnerable/health-system will go on regardless. And all the implications that come with it. Distancing, masks, forget concerts matches bars and clubs.

Goldrickssan

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Especially since its been confirmed that the vaccines are nothing like what people expect them to be. They wont give you immunity. They will not stop you getting it. And they will not stop you spreading it.

It does not sound at all like the are going to give people their lives back. Protect the vulnerable/health-system will go on regardless. And all the implications that come with it. Distancing, masks, forget concerts matches bars and clubs.

Wait, so what will these vaccines do? Give you a second arse?

GooglePlus

Goldrickssan wrote: »

Wait, so what will these vaccines do? Give you a second arse?

We barely have enough toilet roll as it is.

Stheno

Goldrickssan wrote: »

Wait, so what will these vaccines do? Give you a second arse?

The first ones may only reduce the severity of the infection

However that is speculation until trial results are released

Goldrickssan

Stheno wrote: »

The first ones may only reduce the severity of the infection

However that is speculation until trial results are released

Well that sounds like a treatment not a vaccine? Find that hard to believe!

440Hertz

Just remember there are over 134 vaccines in development and this virus is proving to be less unstable than people had feared. There's some degree of RNA checking going on in it, so it's less unstable than say influenza, which means ew might have good shot at a successful vaccine (or more likely several vaccines).

It's not all doom and gloom, but I wouldn't pin all my hopes on it either, particularly as it will be a gargantuan task to get any vaccine rolled out. So you're talking probably most of 2021.

normanoffside

Stheno wrote: »

What of people coming home for Christmas? Imagine a mass influx from the UK now?

Very simple. Make sure they get tested before they fly or give them an option to get tested on arrival.
Otherwise they must restrict their movements on arrival and if not this can be punished with fines (like Germany).

There are so many private companies now offering private tests for travel clearance certificates (Which most EU countries require from travellers from Ireland) that it would be incredibly easy to implement this system.

Travellers would happily pay the costs of tests and government has literally nothing to lose.