Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

440Hertz

The full moon isn’t even due until Halloween night. Perhaps we could get back to discussing COVID? The best thing is simple not to respond to OT posts.

440Hertz

amadangomor wrote: »

I know the thinking is probably to annoy people who are out shopping, beyond the 5km or people who could work from home but they are annoying people who genuinely have to go to work.

Looks like the chicane will be set up for a while there. Not sure how
I can avoid it as everyone will be heading through Maynooth now and that is bad at the best of times.

Kinda hard to see how else it would be enforced, unless they used some kind of express lane with an ID badge for regular commuters.

1641

Some new research to cheer us all up :

"Survivors of coronavirus could be at risk of lasting mental damage as a study found that in the worst cases it can trigger cognitive decline equivalent to the brain ageing ten years or an 8.5-point drop in IQ.

The “brain fog” reported by many sufferers weeks and months after recovering from the disease could be a symptom of more serious cognitive deficits, scientists say.

Research involving 84,285 people who had recovered from confirmed or suspected Covid-19 found that damage to the brain happened in varying levels depending on the severity of the disease. Further work is needed to identify how long this lasts.

The worst-affected patients, those treated in intensive care or who needed ventilation, suffered the equivalent of an 8.5-point drop in their IQ, or the brain ageing ten years.

Adam Hampshire, of the faculty of medicine, department of brain sciences at Imperial College London, and lead author of the study, said the “shocking” results did not only apply to patients who ended up in hospital.

Those who experienced no breathing difficulties but tested positive for Covid also had cognitive decline after recovery, according to the study.

Those who recovered at home experienced an average deficit equivalent to ageing five years or a drop of four IQ points."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/coronavirus-could-age-the-brain-by-10-years-or-cause-iq-to-fall-v9s273rbs

amadangomor

440Hertz wrote: »

Kinda hard to see how else it would be enforced, unless they used some kind of express lane with an ID badge for regular commuters.

They were not checking people though which makes it pointless to me. If the tail back gets too big they need to find a way to let traffic go quicker.

My journey home is 35 mins, so I am being punished for going to work in an essential industry by having that doubled, great!

PokeHerKing

eagle eye wrote: »

I hardly ever drink.niw do.imnhardly in denial. Saying what I did is a waste of a life isn't denying it either.
You just can't accept that it's possible to do what I did without an addiction to alcohol. It's you that's in denial.


No, I know my own life and what I've done. You don't know me so you can just accept whatever you want but you are wrong.

If I spent 400e a week on cocaine would I be a cocaine addict or would it just be a lifestyle choice? Addicts can kick addiction and never use again you know, you certainly wouldn't be the first.

You're delusional either way, whether that delusion is around consumption or addiction only you can answer that.

froog

1641 wrote: »

Some new research to cheer us all up :

"Survivors of coronavirus could be at risk of lasting mental damage as a study found that in the worst cases it can trigger cognitive decline equivalent to the brain ageing ten years or an 8.5-point drop in IQ.

The “brain fog” reported by many sufferers weeks and months after recovering from the disease could be a symptom of more serious cognitive deficits, scientists say.

Research involving 84,285 people who had recovered from confirmed or suspected Covid-19 found that damage to the brain happened in varying levels depending on the severity of the disease. Further work is needed to identify how long this lasts.

The worst-affected patients, those treated in intensive care or who needed ventilation, suffered the equivalent of an 8.5-point drop in their IQ, or the brain ageing ten years.

Adam Hampshire, of the faculty of medicine, department of brain sciences at Imperial College London, and lead author of the study, said the “shocking” results did not only apply to patients who ended up in hospital.

Those who experienced no breathing difficulties but tested positive for Covid also had cognitive decline after recovery, according to the study.

Those who recovered at home experienced an average deficit equivalent to ageing five years or a drop of four IQ points."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/coronavirus-could-age-the-brain-by-10-years-or-cause-iq-to-fall-v9s273rbs

so the world is going to get substantially dumber.

great.

speckle

Had they tested these people before and after? Aswell as those who had no illness at the time and others who where ill at the time from other comparable illness?
Living through a pandemic ill or not from the source virus etc can be stressful and cause cognitive issues.
Any chance you have a link to the research. thanks.

is_that_so

DOW is down 700 points so far!

1641

speckle wrote: »

Had they tested these people before and after? Aswell as those who had no illness at the time and others who where ill at the time from other comparable illness?
Living through a pandemic ill or not from the source virus etc can be stressful and cause cognitive issues.
Any chance you have a link to the research. thanks.

Link as in earlier post - but it is paywalled.


Here is some more:


"The team from Imperial College, the University of Cambridge, University of Chicago and King’s College London also found that coronavirus survivors scored poorly on tests for logic and the meaning of words, spatial orientation, maintaining attention and processing their emotions, compared with those unaffected by the disease.
The results should act as a “clarion call” for further work to be carried out on how Covid affects the brain, according to the paper. It added: “Individuals who recovered from suspected or confirmed Covid-19 perform worse on cognitive tests in multiple domains than would be expected, given their detailed age and demographic profiles.
“This deficit scales with symptom severity and is evident among those without hospital treatment.”
In the study participants were asked to carry out nine challenges to assess their cognitive function and the results were then analysed by a team of experts. To avoid bias, subjects were not told that the study was assessing the impact of Covid until after they completed the tasks.
Of the 84,285 people who took part, 60 reported being put on a ventilator due to Covid-19 and 147 were cared for in hospital without a ventilator.
A further 176 needed medical care at home for breathing difficulties, 3,466 had breathing difficulties but received no medical aid and 9,201 reported being ill without breathing symptoms.
The authors did note that time spent in intensive care or on a ventilator for any disease will have an impact on cognitive function.
Until now there has been little clinical data gathered on the cognitive impact of the disease. Anecdotally, survivors and their doctors have reported a series of symptoms of “long Covid”, the most common being unshakeable fatigue and weariness.
The initial study was conducted in May and further work is being conducted to assess the cognitive impact on those subjects several months after recovery. To get a deeper understanding of the damage to the brain, the team will also cross-reference the results from the behavioural study with detailed imaging.
The data was taken from the Great British Intelligence Test and participants are being encouraged to join the continuing research at gbit.cognitron.co.uk."


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/coronavirus-could-age-the-brain-by-10-years-or-cause-iq-to-fall-v9s273rbs

prunudo

is_that_so wrote: »

DOW is down 700 points so far!

Has something been announced?

Stheno

is_that_so wrote: »

DOW is down 700 points so far!

No surprise after the White House said they can't or won't control the pandemic

Goldrickssan

is_that_so wrote: »

DOW is down 700 points so far!

What prompted that?

is_that_so

prunudo wrote: »

Has something been announced?

Record COVID cases and the WH washing its hands of it!

wirelessdude01

prunudo wrote: »

Has something been announced?

WH giving up the ghost.

BringBackMick

What was the case positivity rate in NI today do we know?

Goldrickssan

is_that_so wrote: »

Record COVID cases and the WH washing its hands of it!

But that's all old news?

BringBackMick

It is COVID related and growing confidence that Biden will take the WH

prunudo

prunudo wrote: »

Has something been announced?

Yeah White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows has said Covid cannot be controlled, "we have lost the battle" I don't think he meant to say it out loud :rolleyes:


https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/25/politics/mark-meadows-controlling-coronavirus-pandemic-cnntv/index.html

is_that_so

Goldrickssan wrote: »

But that's all old news?

One day old, even though we've known for months they don't care about it.

Goldrickssan

is_that_so wrote: »

One day old, even though we've known for months they don't care about it.

To be fair if the markets tank trump will probably start to do something about it.

But by then he will have been voted out - so he probably just wants to leave Biden a complete ****show

odyssey06

BringBackMick wrote: »

It is COVID related and growing confidence that Biden will take the WH

If Biden wins, he won't have executive powers until 20th January... that's three months that this pandemic could be raging while a lame duck Trump abdicates any responsibility for it. Not good.

redarmy

939 new confirmed cases of #Covid19 in the Republic of Ireland

3 new deaths reported, not specified when these occurred.

Hospital 341 confirmed cases in hospitals (+26), 38 confirmed cases in ICU.

440Hertz

is_that_so wrote: »

DOW is down 700 points so far!

Down 900 points, seems to be just poor sentiment due to rising US and European COVID cases.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/25/stock-market-futures-open-to-close-news.html

Basically people aren’t spending money. Companies are holding off on investments and there’s a wave of debt defaults happening in the USA at the moment, mixture of mortgage defaults and corporate bankruptcies.

I think we’re only beginning to see the edges of an impending deep recession. There’s also far too much politics being played around stimulus packages in both the US and Europe, despite lots of cheap money available.

froog

prunudo wrote: »

Has something been announced?

white house admitted yesterday they can't control the pandemic. cases and hospitalizations rising and no stimulus likely anytime soon.

speckle

Thanks 1641.
I look foward to readong it in more detail. Seems like one of my questions answered re ventillation and other diseases. But it looks like from the above that people who were not ill where also affected. And there may be bias on how the data was collected if by self reporting and interest to contribute in the first place. I think the follow up research that they mention will be the more important of both parts. Thanks again.

is_that_so

Goldrickssan wrote: »

To be fair if the markets tank trump will probably start to do something about it.

But by then he will have been voted out - so he probably just wants to leave Biden a complete ****show

Trump's sun is all but set. The WH will be returned to adults and normal people in the next few weeks.

Stheno

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54688846

Liege in Belgium has 1 in 3 of those who can get tested testing positive and they are asking doctors who are infected but asymptomatic to keep working

ACitizenErased

262 in Dublin, 96 in Cork, 61 in Meath, 53 in Galway, 51 in Donegal

jackboy

odyssey06 wrote: »

If Biden wins, he won't have executive powers until 20th January... that's three months that this pandemic could be raging while a lame duck Trump abdicates any responsibility for it. Not good.

In fairness Biden is not going to do anything about it either. So, the election is irrelevant with regards to the pandemic.

Goldrickssan

Dublin still just hanging around the mid 200s like a bold bastard.

Level 3 will never fix Dublin i think that's clear now

harr

Good to see cases still stable, don’t like to see an increase in hospital numbers but that was probably to be excepted with the increased cases the last few weeks .

Stheno

Goldrickssan wrote: »

Dublin still just hanging around the mid 200s like a bold bastard.

Yep stubbornly stuck there

Hopefully it starts to decrease later this week

SEPT 23 1989

Goldrickssan wrote: »

Dublin still just hanging around the mid 200s like a bold bastard.

Level 3 will never fix Dublin i think that's clear now

How many weeks is it at the mid 200's?

Spanish Eyes

is_that_so wrote: »

Trump's sun is all but set. The WH will be returned to adults and normal people in the next few weeks.

Don't put a hex on that FGS. But I get your hopefullness.

We shall see. Probably won't see the results for weeks anyway.

MerlinSouthDub

Goldrickssan wrote: »

Dublin still just hanging around the mid 200s like a bold bastard.

Level 3 will never fix Dublin i think that's clear now

Not so sure about that. Meath and Kildare both have higher rates than Dublin, I think it's reasonable to believe that is impacting infection rates in Dublin.

Stheno

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

How many weeks is it at the mid 200's?

4 at least with the odd day below 200

manofwisdom

Spanish Eyes

Goldrickssan wrote: »

Dublin still just hanging around the mid 200s like a bold bastard.

Level 3 will never fix Dublin i think that's clear now

Got to move to Leitrim or wherever it is with good Broadband.

That's probably the way this will go for those who can WFH and be mobile.

Who'd a thunk it.

CIARAN_BOYLE

BringBackMick wrote: »

What was the case positivity rate in NI today do we know?

A little over 25%.

ACitizenErased

Goldrickssan wrote: »

Dublin still just hanging around the mid 200s like a bold bastard.

Level 3 will never fix Dublin i think that's clear now

Its not in level 3 so that doesnt really matter anymore

froog

odyssey06 wrote: »

If Biden wins, he won't have executive powers until 20th January... that's three months that this pandemic could be raging while a lame duck Trump abdicates any responsibility for it. Not good.

yup. if trump loses, he will sulk for the next two and a half months and do nothing but tweet conspiracy theories. the pandemic will spiral completely out of control (even more than it already is). it's about to get real ****ty over there.

Larbre34

odyssey06 wrote: »

If Biden wins, he won't have executive powers until 20th January... that's three months that this pandemic could be raging while a lame duck Trump abdicates any responsibility for it. Not good.

True, but the new political reality will be evident in Congress, even before the new Congress itself takes office on 3rd January. If Trump is history, some moderate Republicans will have no reason not to act with Dems to assign funding as appropriate to begin supporting intervention measures.

PopTarts

As an indicator for tomorrow are we at about 62635 positives?

JP Liz V1

redarmy wrote: »

939 new confirmed cases of #Covid19 in the Republic of Ireland

3 new deaths reported, not specified when these occurred.

Hospital 341 confirmed cases in hospitals (+26), 38 confirmed cases in ICU.

That's a big hospital increase

bodhrandude

Cork and Galway cases seem to be going down which is good.

Ten of Swords

manofwisdom wrote: »

32 counties in the island of Ireland.

mloc123 wrote: »

The island yes... The country is 26 however.

Not the right thread for this

Edit: OK having deleted close to 40 posts relating to this 26 vs 32 county nonsense I will say that the thread was seriously derailed by all of that and any more of it will mean an immediate threadban. Plenty of other threads to air your views on that, this is not one of them

Ha Long Bay

landofthetree wrote: »

The DOW is down because Biden and the Democrats will bring in thousands of pointless regulations.

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2018/november/nation-of-criminals-build-your-own-pond-face-20-million-in-penalties-or-even-prison

You get your news from interesting places.


Christian Broadcasting Network (CBN)

"CBN News combines both secular and religious news with a strong Christian right bias. There is the moderate use of loaded emotional language such as this: Half of Pastors Worry They’ll Offend Someone if They Preach on Controversial Topics. This story is appropriately sourced to credible media such as CBS News. Editorially CBN holds right-leaning viewpoints and reports favorably on President Trump. When it comes to science, CBN holds a skeptical view of climate change and evolution."


https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/christian-broadcasting-network-cbn/

kingshankly

Not that long ago we were seeing posts claiming level three was working in Dublin 🙈

Thierry12

Stheno wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54688846

Liege in Belgium has 1 in 3 of those who can get tested testing positive and they are asking doctors who are infected but asymptomatic to keep working

Poland looking bad too.

Setting up cars parks for Covid patients, hospitals full.

Ambulances with Covid patients waiting hours outside until someone leaves/dies like we saw in Wuhan.

ACitizenErased

7 day average today is 1014 compared to 1100 last week.