Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

Away With The Fairies

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Maybe look beyond Twitter for news.

I don't search through twitter looking for news. I read it online and wanted to look for evidence and I couldn't find the Twitter post.

forumdedum

mloc123 wrote: »

I'd say Bill is one of those people that hates anyone who exercises tho.... probably tell you that running is bad for you too - "will destroy yours knees..." he says, sitting eating a fry.

He might joke about that but doubt that's the way he thinks.

road_high

forumdedum wrote: »

Bill Hughes from Newstalk is certain he caught it from a group of joggers that passed too close to him.

That the guy who reviews films and that? At least 5 stone overweight? Ok..!

Irish Stones

polesheep wrote: »

It looks like Italians aren't happy with more restrictions. Things like this have a habit of spreading on the Continent. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54701042

This is what happens when the government is totally unable to counter a problem.
People are sick and tired of new sets of rules and restrictions every other day, and are sick and tired of not getting any refund that the government keep promising.
I dare to say that this might be just the beginning.

Widdensushi

Deleted User wrote: »

Galway aren't afraid of using the dark arts to give themselves the advantage.

road_high

mloc123 wrote: »

I'd say Bill is one of those people that hates anyone who exercises tho.... probably tell you that running is bad for you too - "will destroy yours knees..." he says, sitting eating a fry.

Through this mania it’s been interesting- there is an element out there that relish the prospect of closing gyms and any form of exercise. Usually people that don’t exercise themselves interestingly

polesheep

caveat emptor wrote: »

That's great, I didn't suggest you did. You stated that "it has a habit of spreading on the continent". That I don't agree. Italy has a particular issue with a violent football ultra scene who are exploiting the situation. While some countries have similar issues, particularly Eastern Europe, most don't.

When Naples didn't collect it's rubbish for years it didn't spread to the rest of the continent. Italy is beautiful country but not without its issues.

Could be Marseille next. Perhaps it's because there is no water between them, but this thing does have a habit of spreading between countries on the continent. The ultras and their equivalents are in communication across all borders.

prunudo

forumdedum wrote: »

At least a while back there was proof you could catch it from passing joggers or cyclists and they generate more plume. I'm not a huge fan of Bill but I would believe him.

I'm not saying its not possible. But he could also have picked it up from a door handle or a petrol pump. He just wanted to blame somebody else, in this case the joggers. He can't say for certain it was them yet he went on a wild rant about their behaviour.

Widdensushi

road_high wrote: »

Through this mania it’s been interesting- there is an element out there that relish the prospect of closing gyms and any form of exercise. Usually people that don’t exercise themselves interestingly

I think it was highlighted yesterday, people who no longer drink alcohol want it banned etc etc, it's obvious people want others inconvenienced more than they are themselves.

BringBackMick

The difference out and about this morning

If we are serious about breaking the chain of transmission or whatever phrase used we should definitely extend midterm by a week

polesheep

caveat emptor wrote: »

That's great, I didn't suggest you did. You stated that "it has a habit of spreading on the continent". That I don't agree. Italy has a particular issue with a violent football ultra scene who are exploiting the situation. While some countries have similar issues, particularly Eastern Europe, most don't.

When Naples didn't collect it's rubbish for years it didn't spread to the rest of the continent. Italy is beautiful country but not without its issues.

But you did imply it.

is_that_so

BringBackMick wrote: »

The difference out and about this morning

If we are serious about breaking the chain of transmission or whatever phrase used we should definitely extend midterm by a week

Out and about is not the issue, in and about most certainly is.

JimToken

Are GAA training grounds closed?

mloc123

is_that_so wrote: »

Out and about is not the issue, in and about most certainly is.

And you can be sure there are plenty of household visits all this week to kill the time

Funsterdelux

is_that_so wrote: »

Out and about is not the issue, in and about most certainly is.

mloc123 wrote: »

And you can be sure there are plenty of household visits all this week to kill the time

The old "in and out"

is_that_so

mloc123 wrote: »

And you can be sure there are plenty of household visits all this week to kill the time

Well if my kitchen clock is anything to go by today, gonna be a long one!

mloc123

is_that_so wrote: »

Well if my kitchen clock is anything to go by today, gonna be a long one!

The last 2 days combined have felt longer than the previous 2 months.... its not even 10am yet :eek:

Plumbthedepths

JimToken wrote: »

Are GAA training grounds closed?

One near me is open, personally that's a good thing.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Upto 354 in the hospital. Quiet a spike from 311 on Friday.

Hopefully some of this will be explained by a rush of discharges today as many hospital discharges are held till Monday (tuesday on a bh) for their doctor to have a last look before discharge.

iamwhoiam

mloc123 wrote: »

Fair enough, not being able to try them on is a pain.

I just don't get this uproar about Tesco/Dunnes... saw on my local Facebook page also, you'd swear kids were wearing coal sacks the way people were complaining.

Well just one example for you . My grandchild is just started walking
She will need shoes , she needs to be measures and fitted .
Thats only one small example . How come clothes didn’t seem a huge issue last March when at least we could buy a pair of shoes

Leftwaffe

Walking into Supervalue there earlier and an auld one nearly dived into a load of trolleys to make sure she didn't come near me. The fear of god is in these people. Feel very sorry for them.

amadangomor

Redordeadqwwer wrote: »

Walking into Supervalue there earlier and an auld one nearly dived into a load of trolleys to make sure she didn't come near me. The fear of god is in these people. Feel very sorry for them.

Probably nothing to do with Covid, you were wearing your Halloween mask weren't you?

harr

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Upto 354 in the hospital. Quiet a spike from 311 on Friday.

Hopefully some of this will be explained by a rush of discharges today as many hospital discharges are held till Monday (tuesday on a bh) for their doctor to have a last look before discharge.

This should be the case .. very few hospitals discharge over a weekend. If not discharged on a Friday you are left till the Monday ( Tuesday this week ) .
So hoping to see a the hospital numbers level off again after today .

seamus

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Upto 354 in the hospital. Quiet a spike from 311 on Friday.

Hopefully some of this will be explained by a rush of discharges today as many hospital discharges are held till Monday (tuesday on a bh) for their doctor to have a last look before discharge.

Still, I wouldn't be expecting it to drop below Friday's number.

The start of the week usually isn't a massive discharge. If the doctor thought someone would be well enough to go home on Monday morning, they'd usually discharge them on the Friday instead rather than force them to spend a weekend languishing in hospital.

As a result Thursday/Friday are the big discharge days.

But this time the bank holiday might make a difference.

Boggles

harr wrote: »

This should be the case .. very few hospitals discharge over a weekend. If not discharged on a Friday you are left till the Monday ( Tuesday this week ) .
So hoping to see a the hospital numbers level off again after today .

There has been 75 discharges since Saturday.

Gruffalux

The old line of the dispensable elderly is being replaced by the shiny new line of the hysterical elderly.

SusanC10

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Well just one example for you . My grandchild is just started walking
She will need shoes , she needs to be measures and fitted .
Thats only one small example . How come clothes didn’t seem a huge issue last March when at least we could buy a pair of shoes

That is a good example.
I seem to remember at some point when shops were previously shut that a local shoe shop was taking private appointments for this kind of thing.

Also, you can buy the Clark's shoe measuring thing online and then buy shoes. Not ideal obviously but better than nothing.

Strumms

AnniePowwa wrote: »

so after a long week at work you can't get a pint ,you want it so you cant even ate a bit of chocolate , who knew ireland had so many freaks

Yep... After a long week at work you can’t get a pint because of covid. Covid doesn’t give a fuûck if you’ve had a long week at work, a short week petting goats. .... if you end up in a pub environment where distancing won’t and can’t be managed, where the consumption of alcoholic beverages will lower inhibitions, will cloud judgment and decision making... will fuel incidents that will put greater burdens on health services and Gardai..... No way in hell should pubs be open, Jesus. We cannot afford that fallout...

If people want a few drinks at home with the other half, watching Netflix, on their own watching the match they can obtain alcohol in the supermarket. Have their drinks, keeping it at home, distant, safe and responsible.

Alcohol has not been banned. The manner and location in which it can be consumed has been adjusted so as to limit the health risk and burden on an over burdened health service, a health service made up of thousands of people who at the coal face endure high levels of risk for themselves and their families on a daily basis, minute by minute, hour by hour, day after day.

All that is being asked of US is that we don’t go to pubs ?! That’s playing our part... thats a fûcking small ask considering what’s been happening, a tiny ask considering what others, such as medical people are doing for US... let’s do something for them and each other.. we can cook at home, drink at home, we don’t need pubs, keep em closed.

Drumpot

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/09/k-overlooked-variable-driving-pandemic/616548/

Very interesting piece in the Atlantic mostly asking why we don’t focus more on dispersion of virus instead of the R0 that’s perhaps not the best way to manage things when evidence suggests 20% of those infected are spreading it the most. Basically rigorous contact tracing back to find the super spreaders and the conditions that make it worse.

Also some interesting comments on cheap mass testing benefits , particularly in a super spreader event. They also feel there is far to much discussion on Sweden with no real benefit to it regardless of your stance.

Interesting point on Japan stadiums opening up but with no chanting. In short we can open up more with some adjustments.

A very good read.

forumdedum

road_high wrote: »

That the guy who reviews films and that? At least 5 stone overweight? Ok..!

That's him.

Stheno

Deleted User wrote: »

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3 weeks of national level three is where we are today

14 day incidence down massively

forumdedum

prunudo wrote: »

I'm not saying its not possible. But he could also have picked it up from a door handle or a petrol pump. He just wanted to blame somebody else, in this case the joggers. He can't say for certain it was them yet he went on a wild rant about their behaviour.

Guess we'd have to ask Bill if he wipes down door handles or sanitises his hands after refuelling his car.

I don't recall it being a wild rant.

I would like like a bunch of sweating joggers passing by close to me. I would be worried.

forumdedum

TomSweeney wrote: »

Yes people seem to think it's in the air.

I prefer to be safe than sorry. Droplets from speech etc can hit you if wind doesn't blow them away.

bush

Evil granny killer sociopath joggers

Stheno

Stheno wrote: »

3 weeks of national level three is where we are today

14 day incidence down massively

Only the growth - 14 day incidence seems to have topped out, but is not falling

s1ippy

Gruffalux wrote: »

The old line of the dispensable elderly is being replaced by the shiny new line of the hysterical elderly.

The asshole who gets off on invading the space of passers by hasn't changed since the start though.

They'd want to make sure it's old women they frighten. If they do that and I see it they'll be clogging up the hospital system for a completely different reason.

Gruffalux

s1ippy wrote: »

The asshole who gets off on invading the space of passers by hasn't changed since the start though.

They'd want to make sure it's old women they frighten. If they do that and I see it they'll be clogging up the hospital system for a completely different reason.

Lave him, Slippy, lave him

Funsterdelux

bush wrote: »

Evil granny killer sociopath joggers

qu'est-ce que c'est?

fits

SusanC10 wrote: »

That is a good example.
I seem to remember at some point when shops were previously shut that a local shoe shop was taking private appointments for this kind of thing.

Also, you can buy the Clark's shoe measuring thing online and then buy shoes. Not ideal obviously but better than nothing.

Tip Top Toes in kilkenny are very helpful. Phone them! They posted shoes out to me in April.

( they might suggest leaving her shoes a little while)

Gruffalux

fits wrote: »

( they might suggest leaving her shoes a little while)

Yep. Learning to walk is better barefoot as much as possible. Or very soft shoe for outside that does not need to be precisely fitted.

Widdensushi

Gruffalux wrote: »

The old line of the dispensable elderly is being replaced by the shiny new line of the hysterical elderly.

I am seeing very differently, elderly people who were in isolation the last lockdown, got all food delivered etc seem to be in the town multiple times a week now, they are taking a very different approach.

440Hertz

polesheep wrote: »

I don't see panic myself. What I do see is a difficulty in buying clothes. Even when restrictions were lighter it was next to impossible to try clothes on in shops and sizes actually vary a lot. Apart from a pair of shoes bought online, I haven't been able to buy clothes since last January.

I went into a few clothes shops when the restrictions lifted and just found the whole thing so much hassle that I bought online.

Things like T-shirt’s are no issue, but I’ve found I’ve ordered jeans and coats that didn’t fit at all and had to return them. It’s actually not that easy to shop for stuff like that online as sizing isn’t very consistent between manufacturers and brands.

Shoes are just a total nightmare for me online. Bought 5 pairs and of those only 1 fits and the rest were returned straight away.

Even shirts haven’t worked out well.

I’m getting to the stage I’m just wearing jeans and jumpers all the time now. I won’t need any formal clothes for the foreseeable future, but I do need a coat and I have had really big issues getting those online before. Sizing isn’t very accurate.

Basically I’m just wearing things until they wear out now.

Between that and COVID hair, I’ve just gone past caring.

Gruffalux

Widdensushi wrote: »

I am seeing very differently, elderly people who were in isolation the last lockdown, got all food delivered etc seem to be in the town multiple times a week now, they are taking a very different approach.

I'm not the one saying they are plunging themselves shrieking into bushes upon the approach of others.

timmyntc

Deleted User wrote: »

Only the growth - 14 day incidence seems to have topped out, but is not falling

If that's the case, then why not stay in level3 indefinitely?
We've found a limit whereby we can still live our lives and stop the virus spread from going out of control?

Surely that's the definition of 'living with covid'?

GeorgeBailey

Gruffalux wrote: »

The old line of the dispensable elderly is being replaced by the shiny new line of the hysterical elderly.

People like Pat Kenny and Eamon Dunphy certainly give life to this new line of hysterical elderly to be fair.

is_that_so

Funsterdelux wrote: »

qu'est-ce que c'est?

Gruffalux

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

People like Pat Kenny and Eamon Dunphy certainly give life to this new line of hysterical elderly to be fair.

No idea. I am blessed to have listened to neither of them in decades.

AdamD

Strumms wrote: »

Yep... After a long week at work you can’t get a pint because of covid. Covid doesn’t give a fuûck if you’ve had a long week at work, a short week petting goats. .... if you end up in a pub environment where distancing won’t and can’t be managed, where the consumption of alcoholic beverages will lower inhibitions, will cloud judgment and decision making... will fuel incidents that will put greater burdens on health services and Gardai..... No way in hell should pubs be open, Jesus. We cannot afford that fallout...

If people want a few drinks at home with the other half, watching Netflix, on their own watching the match they can obtain alcohol in the supermarket. Have their drinks, keeping it at home, distant, safe and responsible.

Alcohol has not been banned. The manner and location in which it can be consumed has been adjusted so as to limit the health risk and burden on an over burdened health service, a health service made up of thousands of people who at the coal face endure high levels of risk for themselves and their families on a daily basis, minute by minute, hour by hour, day after day.

All that is being asked of US is that we don’t go to pubs ?! That’s playing our part... thats a fûcking small ask considering what’s been happening, a tiny ask considering what others, such as medical people are doing for US... let’s do something for them and each other.. we can cook at home, drink at home, we don’t need pubs, keep em closed.

This is so disengenous. We are being asked so much more. Even your example shows your ignorance, 'have a drink with your other half at home'. Not everyone lives in that scenario! We aren't allowed to see our friends, if you don't live with with your other half etc. these are huge restrictions so stop with your pontificating crap.

And is there anything more annoying than people personifying the bloody virus?

Russman

timmyntc wrote: »

If that's the case, then why not stay in level3 indefinitely?
We've found a limit whereby we can still live our lives and stop the virus spread from going out of control?

Surely that's the definition of 'living with covid'?

I doubt the virus can ever be stopped and held at a given level. It seems to me that it will always be spreading or always receding, due to human behaviour. No matter what level we're at, people will take liberties, get careless, get unlucky, whatever, and it will find a way to spread IMO. Then as we lockdown it begins to recede til we open up again. And so on.

CIARAN_BOYLE

timmyntc wrote: »

If that's the case, then why not stay in level3 indefinitely?
We've found a limit whereby we can still live our lives and stop the virus spread from going out of control?

Surely that's the definition of 'living with covid'?

There is a cloud over the numbers from last week due to contact tracing breakdown.

1k a day is probably too high for the hospitals (if winter flu does come. It may not).

Christmas is coming and whatever restrictions are supposed to be in for christmas there will be mass gatherings in homes, rushes to the shops etc and the r number will spike. We need to reduce the numbers before that.

I would not be surprised to see another lockdown after christmas then level 3 till vaccine is distributed to all vulnerable groups after the cases numbers are brought down.