Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

Boggles

The Health Service Executive has promised that in eight weeks' time it will have 800 contact tracers recruited to deal with Covid-19

Jaysus, take yer time lads, calm down.

No rush.

Plumbthedepths

AdamD wrote: »

This is so disengenous. We are being asked so much more. Even your example shows your ignorance, 'have a drink with your other half at home'. Not everyone lives in that scenario! We aren't allowed to see our friends, if you don't live with with your other half etc. these are huge restrictions so stop with your pontificating crap.

And is there anything more annoying than people personifying the bloody virus?

You should just scroll by this lads posts. Anyone that describes a 12 year old child as a ' needy bollix' regarding mental health is not worthy of engagement.

AlmightyCushion

timmyntc wrote: »

If that's the case, then why not stay in level3 indefinitely?
We've found a limit whereby we can still live our lives and stop the virus spread from going out of control?

Surely that's the definition of 'living with covid'?

I thought this was originally meant to be the whole plan with opening up. Open up slowly and see what works and what doesn't. Basically find a level of restrictions that keep the virus at a low, steady level that we can manage and deal with. It makes sense.

GeorgeBailey

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

People like Pat Kenny and Eamon Dunphy certainly give life to this new line of hysterical elderly to be fair.

I haven’t listened to Dunphy for a while. Does he still do that podcast or whatever it is. I must have a listen and a chuckle at his rants

seamus

Deleted User wrote: »

Only the growth - 14 day incidence seems to have topped out, but is not falling

7-day has been falling since the 22nd, the 14-day will always lag behind.

Assuming the current trend is continuing, the 14-day will probably stay level or increase today, and will start to drop tomorrow.

Paddygreen

Boggles wrote: »

Jaysus, take yer time lads, calm down.

No rush.

They are flat out Boggles.Up to their eyeballs getting ready for a second wave of Tik Tok dance routines.

Non solum non ambulabit

Stheno wrote: »

3 weeks of national level three is where we are today

14 day incidence down massively

Cool, so national level 3 restrictions are just kicking in now.

Strumms

440Hertz wrote: »

I went into a few clothes shops when the restrictions lifted and just found the whole thing so much hassle that I bought online.

Things like T-shirt’s are no issue, but I’ve found I’ve ordered jeans and coats that didn’t fit at all and had to return them. It’s actually not that easy to shop for stuff like that online as sizing isn’t very consistent between manufacturers and brands.

Shoes are just a total nightmare for me online. Bought 5 pairs and of those only 1 fits and the rest were returned straight away.

Even shirts haven’t worked out well.

I’m getting to the stage I’m just wearing jeans and jumpers all the time now. I won’t need any formal clothes for the foreseeable future, but I do need a coat and I have had really big issues getting those online before. Sizing isn’t very accurate.

Basically I’m just wearing things until they wear out now.

Between that and COVID hair, I’ve just gone past caring.

Yeah, clothes shopping is difficult...I need winter clothes.. I’m ok for jackets but I’m low on jumpers / sweaters /t-shirts and could do with a pair of jeans... I haven’t been properly clothes shopping since this time last year.

Last night went through my wardrobe trying on stuff just to gauge the sizings so I can just go online and order, wrote label and size eg. French Connection.. L ....made up a charity bag of stuff too small or too big that I’ll drop down the road to where my aunt works with homeless folks, just ring bell and leave bag..

Non solum non ambulabit

Deleted User wrote: »

Only the growth - 14 day incidence seems to have topped out, but is not falling

Yes, but we will only see National Level 3 results from today. CMO and Philip Nolan were very clear that it takes 3 weeks before results are visible.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Yes, but we will only see National Level 3 results from today. CMO and Philip Nolan were very clear that it takes 3 weeks before results are visible.

I hope someone asks if I was making sense all week to be concerned about missed tests from contact tracing distorting figures.

timmyntc

Russman wrote: »

I doubt the virus can ever be stopped and held at a given level. It seems to me that it will always be spreading or always receding, due to human behaviour. No matter what level we're at, people will take liberties, get careless, get unlucky, whatever, and it will find a way to spread IMO. Then as we lockdown it begins to recede til we open up again. And so on.

Of course the virus can be held at a given level. We find a level of restrictions whereby the number of people newly getting infected with the virus is the same as the number of people recovering from the virus on any given day. The virus will keep spreading, but a reduced rate due to restrictions, giving people who got infected 14 days+ ago time to recover and free up hospital beds.

Paddygreen

Strumms wrote: »

Yeah, clothes shopping is difficult...I need winter clothes.. I’m ok for jackets but I’m low on jumpers / sweaters /t-shirts and could do with a pair of jeans... I haven’t been properly clothes shopping since this time last year.

Last night went through my wardrobe trying on stuff just to gauge the sizings so I can just go online and order, wrote label and size eg. French Connection.. L ....made up a charity bag of stuff too small or too big that I’ll drop down the road to where my aunt works with homeless folks, just ring bell and leave bag..

Clothes are not essential, the virus doesn’t care what you are wearing.

Irish Steve

And in a different area, the covid tracking app has been updated, and it's now possible to see the breakdown of cases down to LEA level, which is a good enhancement. It clarifies how things are going at a lower level, and maybe will help people to recognise where the real issues are, and hopefully do something about getting those areas under control.

For level 3 to have any chance of working, it has to be regional, not just county based, one of the issue that has spiked cases in Meath was when Dublin went into Level 3, the people desperate to go drinking headed out to places like Ashbourne, and rammed the local pubs. In some cases, they took home more than they bargained for, and only proved what is already known but can't be documented due to shortcomings in track and trace, the pubs have been and are and will remain a place where Covid is easily transmitted.

Widdensushi

Irish Steve wrote: »

And in a different area, the covid tracking app has been updated, and it's now possible to see the breakdown of cases down to LEA level, which is a good enhancement. It clarifies how things are going at a lower level, and maybe will help people to recognise where the real issues are, and hopefully do something about getting those areas under control.

For level 3 to have any chance of working, it has to be regional, not just county based, one of the issue that has spiked cases in Meath was when Dublin went into Level 3, the people desperate to go drinking headed out to places like Ashbourne, and rammed the local pubs. In some cases, they took home more than they bargained for, and only proved what is already known but can't be documented due to shortcomings in track and trace, the pubs have been and are and will remain a place where Covid is easily transmitted.

I don't see that feature, only getting to county level, how do you get to it

Strumms

AdamD wrote: »

This is so disengenous. We are being asked so much more. Even your example shows your ignorance, 'have a drink with your other half at home'. Not everyone lives in that scenario! We aren't allowed to see our friends, if you don't live with with your other half etc. these are huge restrictions so stop with your pontificating crap.

And is there anything more annoying than people personifying the bloody virus?

I’ll post what I like, I don’t need your permission. Not pontificating, it’s an opinion, hey, welcome to boards.ie.

Not everyone lives in that situation, granted. But sorry, that does not absolve you of your responsibilities. Can’t see your friends ? It’s tough, it sucks. If one person gets a hall pass, everyone does and that’s going to lead us into many more deaths.

If you live alone, get involved in things that structure your day.

Exercise

Reading

Calling friends/Skype etc.

Learn to cook new things, YouTube is great for that.

Online gaming..

Whatever, life doesn’t need to revolve around a pub. I say that as somebody who likes the pub. And who is looking forward hugely to the day I can head back into a pub. But I’m acutely aware if we want that day it’s going to depend on the vaccine and in the interim us behaving responsibly. That means keeping the drink only pubs shut.

Irish Steve

it needs the latest update that's available from the play store, and when that's installed, take the national picture expansion, that goes to county, and then there's an expansion (>) by county, at the bottom of that page, which needs a scroll down, it gives the breakdown by electoral area, which can be scrolled through to see the figures for each LEA

mandrake04

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah they really are set up for this kind of thing. The planning that was already in place. The way the community, local hospitals and public health seamlessly worked together. He explained well how public health doctors are on par with their colleagues in other disciplines in terms of seniority so they effectively have a seat at the table and have much more weight in requisitioning resources etc once an outbreak is identified. He mentioned how a hospital in the area will provide nursing resources at request once an outbreak identified in a nursing home for example. Terrible failings here on that issue.

The other thing which made tonnes of sense regarding borders was 'border bubbles'. i.e communities that clearly straddle the border get exemptions and are free to cross for legitimate reasons in both directions. Working and even visiting family etc. That would work here and destroy the border straw man argument.

The other thing was the tough restrictions but very good support. Public heath were the ones leading the effort. i.e if someone can't do grocery shopping or is vulnerable the state would do everything in it's power to support a person while quarantining. The fines were serious and enforced but their disaster management infrastructure allowed them to support those who would in all likelihood say "fvck the police".

It's clearly a political failing as to why we can't decide to go after the virus.
Maybe political change when it comes will be the catalyst for a change in strategy.
We know how it works now so come January / February when businesses start to shutter for good and pandemic unemployment payments get reduced maybe people will vote with their feet.

You have to agree that the border issue in Ireland is as unworkable as is mandatory quarantine, with those off the table only alternative is to hide from it...end of story.

Victoria is an interesting one, if you look at the numbers.


by 4th July the daily cases hit 100 for the first time and by 8th July L3 lockdown was introduced. Melbourne then went into L4 on 2nd Aug and rest of Vic stayed at L3.

It took about 62 days to get around 50 cases per day, 8th July to 8th Sep they had 16,673 cases (average 263 cases per day) and that was throwing everything including the kitchen sink at it.

in those 62 days they did 1,348,292 tests.

they came under criticism as there was severe pressure on their contact tracing but they managed.

Its an absolute bastard to get rid off, I wonder how long it would have taken to contact trace and get cases down if they had 1000 cases per day?

Strumms

Paddygreen wrote: »

Clothes are not essential, the virus doesn’t care what you are wearing.

Clothes are indeed essential. If the look on my neighbors face the last time I went out without any is to go by.

ednwireland

Irish Steve wrote: »

For level 3 to have any chance of working, it has to be regional, not just county based, one of the issue that has spiked cases in Meath was when Dublin went into Level 3, the people desperate to go drinking headed out to places like Ashbourne, and rammed the local pubs. In some cases, they took home more than they bargained for, and only proved what is already known but can't be documented due to shortcomings in track and trace, the pubs have been and are and will remain a place where Covid is easily transmitted.

in Donegal we didnt see any noticeable reduction in tourists and traffic until nationwide level 3 was brought in

Gruffalux

Can't resist..

https://twitter.com/RaminNasibov/status/1321044230878470147?s=20

Widdensushi

Irish Steve wrote: »

it needs the latest update that's available from the play store, and when that's installed, take the national picture expansion, that goes to county, and then there's an expansion (>) by county, at the bottom of that page, which needs a scroll down, it gives the breakdown by electoral area, which can be scrolled through to see the figures for each LEA

It's still 5th to 19th October, I thought it might be more up-to-date which doesn't make sense on my part as that's the data available, thanks, once app was updated it was straight forward.

US2

Almost half of all hospitalised covid patients didn't go to hospital with Covid. Interesting

prunudo

US2 wrote: »

Almost half of all hospitalised covid patients didn't go to hospital with Covid. Interesting

I suppose it can be looked at two ways. Covid in the community isn't as dangerous as we're led to believe but at the same time, it still puts pressure on the hospital resources.

Maxpfizer

Paddygreen wrote: »

Clothes are not essential, the virus doesn’t care what you are wearing.

You know it can get pretty cold here in winter, right?

Clothes are absolutely essential.

OK, you could argue that following fashion trends or having a huge wardrobe is not essential but winter clothing right now would be pretty essential.

Certainly, I would say warm clothing over the winter months would be more essential than a lot of stuff sold at the supermarkets.

It shows how daft the rules are when the local shop can sell you chocolate, crisps and cans of coke but you can't buy a winter coat because that's not essential.

mloc123

Maxpfizer wrote: »

Certainly, I would say warm clothing over the winter months would be more essential than a lot of stuff sold at the supermarkets.

This being the first winter we will ever see in Ireland... nobody has suitable clothing for it. If only we had winter clothes from last year...

mloc123

US2 wrote: »

Almost half of all hospitalised covid patients didn't go to hospital with Covid. Interesting

Any source on that? Have seen it speculated quite a bit bas on admission numbers vs total numbers, but has there been a article on it?

mohawk

phormium wrote: »

I think it's more on the level playing field thing, very unfair to a small clothes shop to have to close and Tesco/Dunnes down the road selling clothes away! Plus of course it does slightly decrease the amount of people mingling.

Given price of clothes in Dunnes/Tesco versus price of clothes in your average Irish independent retailer. They aren’t the same customer base. We know there are thousands of families in this country barely making ends meet financially every month. Families that only buy clothes as needed. This is time of year they need to buy winter coats, hats, scarfs, gloves for their children or themselves. I can tell by looking at clothing if it will fit my son or not. I don’t have same success with getting sizing right online. I can see why many are frustrated. It’s one of those things that effects struggling families more then others. Are baby clothes closed off because sometimes babies are born and you realise a bigger/smaller size is needed.

bb1234567

US2 wrote: »

Almost half of all hospitalised covid patients didn't go to hospital with Covid. Interesting

It definitely is interesting but I would like to know more about this, what did most go in for and di their condition become worse after contracting covid or not

mloc123

mohawk wrote: »

Are baby clothes closed off because sometimes babies are born and you realise a bigger/smaller size is needed.

My local tesco has... socks, underwear, baby grows and pyjamas for sale..

GT89

This is a disgrace, the "second wave" isn't even up and running yet and the "overwhelmed" hospitals are already making tik tok videos.
https://twitter.com/MUSICJUNKIEDAVE/status/1318866079113007104?s=19

Gruffalux

Maxpfizer wrote: »

You know it can get pretty cold here in winter, right?

Clothes are absolutely essential.

OK, you could argue that following fashion trends or having a huge wardrobe is not essential but winter clothing right now would be pretty essential.

Certainly, I would say warm clothing over the winter months would be more essential than a lot of stuff sold at the supermarkets.

It shows how daft the rules are when the local shop can sell you chocolate, crisps and cans of coke but you can't buy a winter coat because that's not essential.

Come on! Let down the hem and cuffs on last year's duffle coat. It it was good enough for us in the 1970s it's good enough now.

US2

bb1234567 wrote: »

It definitely is interesting but I would like to know more about this, what did most go in for and di their condition become worse after contracting covid or not

I took it as people went in for other reasons and happened to have covid , asymptomatic.

Didn't think it meant they picked up the virus in hospital?

Trying to find the source, thought it was Fergal Bowers that reported it but can't find it now.

bb1234567

GT89 wrote: »

This is a disgrace, the "second wave isn't even up and running yet and the "overwhelmed" hospitals are already making tik tok videos.
https://twitter.com/MUSICJUNKIEDAVE/status/1318866079113007104?s=19

Dreadful video though

bb1234567

US2 wrote: »

I took it as people went in for other reasons and happened to have covid , asymptomatic.

Didn't think it meant they picked up the virus in hospital?

Trying to find the source, thought it was Fergal Bowers that reported it but can't find it now.

Yeh didn't think about that, could be right. I was trying to find the tweet as well to better understand what he meant by the wording used but cant find it now

prunudo

US2 wrote: »

I took it as people went in for other reasons and happened to have covid , asymptomatic.

Didn't think it meant they picked up the virus in hospital?

Trying to find the source, thought it was Fergal Bowers that reported it but can't find it now.

Never thought of it that way, that would make sense too, I was thinking they picked it up in the hospital, which I'm sure can happen too if in for an extended say.

Chris_5339762

Paddygreen wrote: »

Clothes are not essential, the virus doesn’t care what you are wearing.

I have to wear a decent shirt and trousers for work. And no, I'm in a hospital so can't work from home, and no we can't wear scrubs in our role.



So I need shirts and trousers. We won't mention that mine are already getting threadbare.

normanoffside

bb1234567 wrote: »

It definitely is interesting but I would like to know more about this, what did most go in for and di their condition become worse after contracting covid or not

There have been a lot of outbreaks inside the hospitals (Cavan and the recent ones in Naas are the two obvious ones).
Lot's of already vulnerable patients got infected by these.

People who went into hospital with other conditions and then tested positive are treated as covid admissions, so almost 50% of the covid patients in Hospital actually contracted it in there.

https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1320700796498042880

Loafing Oaf

Gruffalux wrote: »

Can't resist..

https://twitter.com/RaminNasibov/status/1321044230878470147?s=20

Locke-in

8k71ps

It's completely different to ask people to not buy clothes for a couple weeks as a once off than to have large periods of time every few months where nothing is available. Couldn't they institute some sort of price maximum on clothing to discourage non-necessary purchases? It's pretty insane that they're lumping people who need more winter clothing for their children since all the schools windows are open with people who want to buy their 12th pair of Yeezys

bennyl10

GT89 wrote: »

This is a disgrace, the "second wave isn't even up and running yet and the "overwhelmed" hospitals are already making tik tok videos.
https://twitter.com/MUSICJUNKIEDAVE/status/1318866079113007104?s=19

Give over ffs

It’s 30 seconds, those who are catching in and spreading it more frequently at the moment are using tik tok very regularly.

If you have a problem with this you can’t have too many issues in your life.

Funsterdelux

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

I have to wear a decent shirt and trousers for work. And no, I'm in a hospital so can't work from home, and no we can't wear scrubs in our role.



So I need shirts and trousers. We won't mention that mine are already getting threadbare.

Non solum non ambulabit

US2 wrote: »

Almost half of all hospitalised covid patients didn't go to hospital with Covid. Interesting

prunudo wrote: »

I suppose it can be looked at two ways. Covid in the community isn't as dangerous as we're led to believe but at the same time, it still puts pressure on the hospital resources.

If that is the case then half of people in hospital with Covid are not sick enough to be in hospital with Covid but are there for something unrelated.

That really skews the stats IMO

Widdensushi

Nothing makes people think they need new clothes more than telling them they can't have them

Boggles

GT89 wrote: »

This is a disgrace, the "second wave isn't even up and running yet and the "overwhelmed" hospitals are already making tik tok videos.
https://twitter.com/MUSICJUNKIEDAVE/status/1318866079113007104?s=19

AlmightyCushion

normanoffside wrote: »

There have been a lot of outbreaks inside the hospitals (Cavan and the recent ones in Naas are the two obvious ones).
Lot's of already vulnerable patients got infected by these.

People who went into hospital with other conditions and then tested positive are treated as covid admissions, so almost 50% of the covid patients in Hospital actually contracted it in there.

https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1320700796498042880

It really depends on what the individual figures mean. Does a new covid admission only count people who had tested positive for Covid at the time they were admitted. What about someone who was tested in hospital and that test comes back positive? It could be later that day or even the next day when that result comes back. Are they counted as a positive admissions or just counted under total covid cases?

Non solum non ambulabit

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

It really depends on what the individual figures mean. Does a new covid admission only count people who had tested positive for Covid at the time they were admitted. What about someone who was tested in hospital and that test comes back positive? It could be later that day or even the next day when that result comes back. Are they counted as a positive admissions or just counted under total covid cases?

It would be great to get clarity on this but i suspect we won't and no journalist at the press conference is going to ask such a question unfortunately.

Maxpfizer

mloc123 wrote: »

This being the first winter we will ever see in Ireland... nobody has suitable clothing for it. If only we had winter clothes from last year...

I'm sure most people do have their winter clothes from last year.

What about those who don't? For whatever reason.

I can pop out to the shops now and buy myself a load of junk food but someone who needs some winter gear or just warmer clothes in general can't because that's "not essential".

Strumms

GT89 wrote: »

This is a disgrace, the "second wave isn't even up and running yet and the "overwhelmed" hospitals are already making tik tok videos.
https://twitter.com/MUSICJUNKIEDAVE/status/1318866079113007104?s=19

A part of the spectrum of tasks performed by especially carers and sometimes nurses in a hospital setting is to enable morale, and be there to provide companionship for their patients. It’s not an extra, it’s actually partly what they are employed to do. It’s in the manual. They often between visiting times would sit down for 20 minutes with say a patient, for some conversation, a game of draughts, board game, chess, help with a crossword , whatever.

Similar is happening here. Having a bit of craic.. It’s nothing unusual, in fact it’s very commonplace in children’s hospital.

GT89

Strumms wrote: »

A part of the spectrum of tasks performed by especially carers and sometimes nurses in a hospital setting is to enable morale, and be there to provide companionship for their patients. It’s not an extra, it’s actually partly what they are employed to do. It’s in the manual. They often between visiting times would sit down for 20 minutes with say a patient, for some conversation, a game of draughts, board game, chess, help with a crossword , whatever.

Similar is happening here. Having a bit of craic.. It’s nothing unusual, in fact it’s very commonplace in children’s hospital.

Bit of a difference between helping patients with crosswords and making public tik tok videos. Do you think that nurses in hospitals in Iraq or Syria are making tik tok videos whenever there's a bombing and mass casualties flooding the hospitals.

normanoffside

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

It really depends on what the individual figures mean. Does a new covid admission only count people who had tested positive for Covid at the time they were admitted. What about someone who was tested in hospital and that test comes back positive? It could be later that day or even the next day when that result comes back. Are they counted as a positive admissions or just counted under total covid cases?

From My understanding anyone tested positive on arrival into hospital is counted as a Covid admission no matter what reason the are admitted for.

Therefore nearly half of our Covid patients actually caught it in there (as they were not counted as Covid admissions)