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Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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    #722
    manniot2
    Registered Users Posts: 706 ✭✭✭manniot2


    Deleted User wrote: »
    For what? Exactly. 100 cases a day will only rise again, especially with Christmas gatherings, and we will have another lockdown in February, which will be utterly destructive.

    Maybe a late winter lockdown will be the end of it though, because then we'll be in the spring and summer, will be outside more, and then hopefully a vaccine for higher risk people. Maybe one more lockdown after this one is the best that we can hope for

    What I dont understand is why we are trying to achieve this level of cases (which bring a miniscule death % attached) when it comes with such a cost. Surely any simple person capable of doing a cost benefit analysis can see that.


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    #723
    ednwireland
    Registered Users Posts: 14,374 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Nothing in that suggests he is, just speaking honestly and factually. He's echoing the belief that the year is probably over for most people anyway.

    add the impossible targets R number below .5 and cases below 100 no way will this lockdown be lifted after 6 weeks
    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/ireland-restrictions-tony-holohan-reveals-19135457

    theres no honesty at all form this government about what they want to achieve. at 100 cases a day we will be in lockdown in 4 weeks after opening up

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



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    #724
    Polar101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Stheno wrote: »
    What do they need three DCMOs for?

    On any given day, 1-2 will be asked to resign on boards.ie, so they need a reserve of CMOs.


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    #725
    Oranage2
    Registered Users Posts: 11,128 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Softshoulder wrote: »
    I think this "lockdown" will be way way different to the last one.

    - There's way less restrictions.
    - GAA and schools allowed open.
    - Construction open. FFS work being done in a home is allowed.

    Last lockdown everyone was inside. This one there's going to be loads more activity. The kids will be out and about after school too.

    And this is why it won't be effective, this plan is pointless, we'll be in and out of lockdowns for the foreseeable future. Just do it properly or come up with an alternative plan. This one will be pointless otherwise


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    #726
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Fergal Bowers, as usual, offering some sensible thoughts.


    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1020/1172731-fergal-bowers-covid-19/

    He's dour but his comments are well thought out and devoid of hyperbole.


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    #727
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,259 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    They have an estimate of the number of cases missed. Serelogical studies in june give an idea of true case numbers prior to then.

    It really doesn't, that study was fairly flawed to be honest. 5k invited and 5k didn't take part. Sample set in the end was absolutely tiny.


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    #728
    nimrod86
    Registered Users Posts: 751 ✭✭✭nimrod86


    manniot2 wrote: »
    What I dont understand is why we are trying to achieve this level of cases (which bring a miniscule death % attached) when it comes with such a cost. Surely any simple person capable of doing a cost benefit analysis can see that.

    Maybe because there are those of us who don't fancy taking our chances of being a part of that "miniscule death %", or the still fairly unknown long term effects of the virus?


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    #729
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ednwireland wrote: »
    add the impossible targets R number below .5 and cases below 100 no way will this lockdown be lifted after 6 weeks
    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/ireland-restrictions-tony-holohan-reveals-19135457

    theres no honesty at all form this government about what they want to achieve. at 100 cases a day we will be in lockdown in 4 weeks after opening up
    Well, it's not their number it's NPHET's and even that is contingent. That the government ducked and dived on their to this juncture shows they aren't doing it willingly. If it is still going sideways or "not going the right way" in 3-4 weeks that is the time to honestly admit that Christmas is off.


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    #730
    quokula
    Registered Users Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭quokula


    manniot2 wrote: »
    What I dont understand is why we are trying to achieve this level of cases (which bring a miniscule death % attached) when it comes with such a cost. Surely any simple person capable of doing a cost benefit analysis can see that.

    Pretty much every government in Europe is on the road to implementing similar restrictions, and they're all being advised by people who are well capable of doing a cost benefit analysis and who have full access to the data. Which suggests you're incorrect.

    I'm still amazed by how many people have such short memories that they can't remember the mass graves and the utter catastrophes that befell hospitals in places that didn't get the virus under control in time last time. The virus hasn't changed. We know what happens if we don't get it under control. Let's not let it get there.


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    #731
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    nimrod86 wrote: »
    Maybe because there are those of us who don't fancy taking our chances of being a part of that "miniscule death %", or the still fairly unknown long term effects of the virus?
    For very many of us getting hit by a dozen buses is a much bigger possibility!


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    #732
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭nthclare


    quokula wrote: »
    Pretty much every government in Europe is on the road to implementing similar restrictions, and they're all being advised by people who are well capable of doing a cost benefit analysis and who have full access to the data. Which suggests you're incorrect.

    I'm still amazed by how many people have such short memories that they can't remember the mass graves and the utter catastrophes that befell hospitals in places that didn't get the virus under control in time last time. The virus hasn't changed. We know what happens if we don't get it under control. Let's not let it get there.

    What mass graves ?


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    #733
    JDD
    Registered Users Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭JDD


    https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid19-daily-operations-update-2000-17-october-2020.pdf

    Can anyone tell me how we had between 300-350 available general hospital beds in the first half of last week, raising to approx 370 on Friday, and then rising massively to 625 available beds on Saturday?

    Where did all the bed occupiers go? Are they cancelling "elective" procedures again or god help us, moving old people back into nursing homes?

    You can look for comparison purposes at all the data for last week here. https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/coronavirus-daily-operations-updates.html

    The number I am talking about is on Page 9.


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    #734
    Oranage2
    Registered Users Posts: 11,128 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    manniot2 wrote: »
    What I dont understand is why we are trying to achieve this level of cases (which bring a miniscule death % attached) when it comes with such a cost. Surely any simple person capable of doing a cost benefit analysis can see that.

    Government is a popularity contest and single healthy people with no dependents are in the minority.


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    #735
    froog
    Registered Users Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    manniot2 wrote: »
    What I dont understand is why we are trying to achieve this level of cases (which bring a miniscule death % attached) when it comes with such a cost. Surely any simple person capable of doing a cost benefit analysis can see that.

    Hang on, I'll just get my human life cost calculator there and run the numbers real quick. Simple.


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    #736
    quokula
    Registered Users Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭quokula


    nthclare wrote: »
    What mass graves ?

    The ones in New York, Brazil and Iran are the ones I know of.


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    #737
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    nthclare wrote: »
    What mass graves ?
    Brazil had them mostly and in Italy it was the army trucks. It's a logic device that is supposed to persuade us of something.


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    #738
    Santy2015
    Registered Users Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭Santy2015


    These businesses must be sick with worry! Another 10 weeks at least shut!
    How many will emerge....
    harrowing! Some amount of jobs and livelihoods down the drain!
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40067942.html?fbclid=IwAR2_7fREBAlmcv_VyCDpOHgwuZs_glTC2N3NSOnew8H0eEYXY82mzjyMvtY


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    #739
    zinfandel
    Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭zinfandel


    US2 wrote: »
    Anyone know if you can claim PUP without proof of address ?

    no, would be very open to fraud


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    #740
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    quokula wrote: »
    The ones in New York, Brazil and Iran are the ones I know of.

    A mass grave has existed on Hart's island in New York for centuries. That's where the indigent has always being buried.


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    #741
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭nthclare


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Brazil had them mostly and in Italy it was the army trucks. It's a logic device that is supposed to persuade us of something.

    I seen no international news about it.


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    #742
    niallo27
    Registered Users Posts: 16,023 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    quokula wrote: »
    Pretty much every government in Europe is on the road to implementing similar restrictions, and they're all being advised by people who are well capable of doing a cost benefit analysis and who have full access to the data. Which suggests you're incorrect.

    I'm still amazed by how many people have such short memories that they can't remember the mass graves and the utter catastrophes that befell hospitals in places that didn't get the virus under control in time last time. The virus hasn't changed. We know what happens if we don't get it under control. Let's not let it get there.

    What places, I'm presume your talking about Italy which was before we knew anything about this virus. No country has been overwhelmed since we brought in restrictions.


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    #743
    quokula
    Registered Users Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭quokula


    niallo27 wrote: »
    What places, I'm presume your talking about Italy which was before we knew anything about this virus. No country has been overwhelmed since we brought in restrictions.

    Exactly. No country has been overwhelmed since we brought in restrictions. Yet people are using this as an argument not to bring in restrictions. Can you not see how devoid of logic that is?


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    #744
    SleetAndSnow
    Registered Users Posts: 4,685 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    nthclare wrote: »
    I seen no international news about it.

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-president-jair-bolsonaro-dismissive-as-overwhelmed-brazilians-dig-mass-graves-11981428

    https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-brazil-mass-graves-experts-anticipate-covid-19-deaths-2020-5?r=US&IR=T

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/30/brazil-manaus-coronavirus-mass-graves

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-italian-army-called-in-to-carry-away-corpses-as-citys-crematorium-is-overwhelmed-11959994

    It literally only takes a simple google search, international news a few months back. As the OP said they 'had' them. Unsure of now


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    #745
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    niallo27 wrote: »
    What places, I'm presume your talking about Italy which was before we knew anything about this virus. No country has been overwhelmed since we brought in restrictions.


    And yet you argue day in day out against them.


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    #746
    Sakana
    Registered Users Posts: 148 ✭✭Sakana


    Gemma bullying an old guy on the street into taking his mask off.

    How can this not be a Garda matter?

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1318234233052237830


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    #747
    Kh1993
    Closed Accounts Posts: 443 ✭✭Kh1993


    Santy2015 wrote: »
    These businesses must be sick with worry! Another 10 weeks at least shut!
    How many will emerge....
    harrowing! Some amount of jobs and livelihoods down the drain!
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40067942.html?fbclid=IwAR2_7fREBAlmcv_VyCDpOHgwuZs_glTC2N3NSOnew8H0eEYXY82mzjyMvtY

    To put it bluntly, not many of the lockdown cheerleaders will care. Collateral damage for locking down. Stick them on the €350 and let them watch Netflix.


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    #748
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    nthclare wrote: »
    I seen no international news about it.
    Just pictures mostly, the Brazilian ones pop up from time to time.


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    #749
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users Posts: 8,423 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    nthclare wrote: »
    I seen no international news about it.

    Seriously? It was all over the news at the time.


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    #750
    quokula
    Registered Users Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭quokula


    Kh1993 wrote: »
    To put it bluntly, not many of the lockdown cheerleaders will care. Collateral damage for locking down. Stick them on the €350 and let them watch Netflix.

    Being paid €350 to watch Netflix sounds better than watching your relative's funeral over Skype.


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    #751
    niallo27
    Registered Users Posts: 16,023 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    quokula wrote: »
    Exactly. No country has been overwhelmed since we brought in restrictions. Yet people are using this as an argument not to bring in restrictions. Can you not see how devoid of logic that is?
    Gruffalux wrote: »
    And yet you argue day in day out against them.

    I'm not against restrictions, masks, social distancing, good hygiene, keep pubs closed all should be kept, I'm against having the harshest lockdown in the world, I'm against closing retail and this ridiculous 5k limit.


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