Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

mcburns07

prunudo wrote: »

Not quite sure why people are expecting traffic volumes to feel like April. What was introduced is level 5 in name only. Between schools and the amount of exemptions to the rules it may as well be business as usual. This is really only a hospitality and hairdresser/barber lockdown with a 5km tarvel limit for excerise thrown in for good measure.

Can't visit family or friends.

Retail is mostly closed.

Sports and gyms stopped.

Oh sorry is this the new lockdown merchant angle?

JimToken

screamer wrote: »

Hospital staff in non covid wards are wearing surgical masks. They are about as useful as a paper bag to stop the wearer catching covid. To be effective for the wearer, hospital staff need FPP2 if not FPPE3 masks which they don’t have.
Hospitals are lovely warm environments with lots of circulation of staff, carers, cleaners and porters, and have rubbish ventilation, combined with close contact and lots of patients and it’s only a wonderful environment for covid to thrive. I’d imagine care homes are pretty similar.

Retail staff wearing visors

Antares35

mcburns07 wrote: »

Can't visit family or friends.

Retail is mostly closed.

Sports and gyms stopped.

Oh sorry is this the new lockdown merchant angle?

Except people probably will visit family and friends and just say they are going on essential business. And a lot of retailers are apparently open because they've stocked a few bits of essential items.

bazermc

DOH briefing at 6

prunudo

mcburns07 wrote: »

Can't visit family or friends.

Retail is mostly closed.

Sports and gyms stopped.

Oh sorry is this the new lockdown merchant angle?

Haha, don't think I've ever been called a lockdown merchant before.
You cannot compare what is restricted now to April, certainly from a business perspective. I accept your point about sporting and personal restrictions alright.

Jenna James

Approx 20-30 non-essential retail open in Wilton Shopping Centre, Cork.

Harry Palmr

mcburns07 wrote: »

Can't visit family or friends.

Retail is mostly closed.

Sports and gyms stopped.

Oh sorry is this the new lockdown merchant angle?

You can meet in a neutral location, bit like peace talks. And bubble if you are single.

thomasdylan

Strumms wrote: »

Go on as if I don’t, ok.

Experience is here to gain. Lots of doctors don’t travel at all for experience. The majority in fact. If it’s AS important to travel as you allude to it would be mandatory. It isn’t.

The medical training here is amongst the best in the world. The experience to be got in the multi disciplinary teams in multiple hospitals that have multiple specialities is globally second to none almost.

You really don't have a clue. Almost every consultant in every major hospital in Ireland will have worked and trained in North America, the UK, France, Australia, etc.

Every hospital everywhere has multi-disciplinary teams, every hospital has mutiple specialties, nothing about that makes Ireland special. You might as well say Ireland's training is the best in the world because Irish hospitals have Xray machines.

ChikiChiki

screamer wrote: »

Oh don’t you know, vetting, training and data protection rules would all have to be complied with before anyone could volunteer to help.... one thing the HSE excel at is red tape barriers

This is an emergency, businesses and people are suffering so I'd say cut the red tape, garda vetting and whatever else.

I'm an employed professional with no convictions at the end of the day looking to help. There are plenty of us.

My company vetted me as part of the recruitment process.

This just seems so longwinded and typical of public service institutions to not ask for help. Even Donnelly's "once off" comment today was unnecessary chest pumping when we all know the case is different.

LuasSimon

Why would anyone work in a nursing home on minimum wage ??
While the owners make thousands every month cutting corners

s1ippy

More shameful behaviour by the HSE to control the figures surrounding schools.

No other workplace is given this level of careful oversight in how it's handled. If only they were investing the same energy in actually managing the outbreaks instead of suppressing the information and making excuses for not testing.

Antares35

In March they told us kids were super spreaders and now schools are "safe" from covid.

mloc123

Genuine question... why do people think NPHET are "suppressing school cases"? What is the pay off for them on this?

polesheep

LuasSimon wrote: »

Why would anyone work in a nursing home on minimum wage ??
While the owners make thousands every month cutting corners

Unfortunately the quality of nursing homes varies a lot and the good ones usually have waiting lists. I think you'll that the staff are happier in the good ones and I'll bet better paid too.

Jim_Hodge

bodhrandude wrote: »

Any figures for Northern Ireland yet.

1042 and 3 deaths.

Strumms

thomasdylan wrote: »

You really don't have a clue. Almost every consultant in every major hospital in Ireland will have worked and trained in North America, the UK, France, Australia, etc.

Every hospital everywhere has multi-disciplinary teams, every hospital has mutiple specialties, nothing about that makes Ireland special. You might as well say Ireland's training is the best in the world because Irish hospitals have Xray machines.

My own opinion is from my own experiences of talking with doctors, physios etc... your “you might as well say” and “don’t have a clue” childishness shows that YOU are not of the ability to engage seriously on the subject, But thanks for sharing.

Training occurs here. Doctors have and do work abroad yes, it’s not illegal, nor should it be, it should simply be in a contract that you should remain here for xx time working after training.

If you disagree ? Get a job washing pots in a hotel.

Non solum non ambulabit

mloc123 wrote: »

Genuine question... why do people think NPHET are "suppressing school cases"? What is the pay off for them on this?

NPHET have no reason to hide cases. It's the opposite. All cases need to be found and contact traced.

ACitizenErased

1066 cases
3 deaths

s1ippy

mloc123 wrote: »

Genuine question... why do people think NPHET are "suppressing school cases"? What is the pay off for them on this?

Can you imagine if they actually had to test all the close contacts in every classroom with a case? There are 30 individuals in many classes. Some attend multiple classes in a day. You might as well ask them to test every person in the country under 18 because at this stage there's probably a case in almost every community in the country.

Also if children aren't in school people can't go to work. If people can't go to work there's no money. You surely know all this.

Cody montana

ACitizenErased wrote: »

1066 cases
3 deaths

Things improving!

mloc123

Antares35 wrote: »

In March they told us kids were super spreaders and now schools are "safe" from covid.

In March we were told a lot of things You know that opinions and advise can change over time... right? Just like treatments for Covid, at the start everyone was to be put on ventilators... now they aren't

ACitizenErased

R number estimated to be 1.3 nationally

Jim_Hodge

prunudo wrote: »

Not quite sure why people are expecting traffic volumes to feel like April. What was introduced is level 5 in name only. Between schools and the amount of exemptions to the rules it may as well be business as usual. This is really only a hospitality and hairdresser/barber lockdown with a 5km tarvel limit for excerise thrown in for good measure.

Volume way down here apart from school traffic. Only the supermarkets are open and the rest of the shopping centres(apart from the chemists) and the main street are closed. The town was like a ghost town this morning except for the post office.

BringBackMick

mloc123 wrote: »

Genuine question... why do people think NPHET are "suppressing school cases"? What is the pay off for them on this?

I would think it would be due to stubborness?

They have reiterated time and time again that schools are not major sources of infection, so they hardly going to do a u-turn

not yet anyway

mloc123

s1ippy wrote: »

Can you imagine if they actually had to test all the close contacts in every classroom with a case? There are 30 individuals in many classes. Some attend multiple classes in a day. You might as well ask them to test every person in the country under 18 because at this stage there's probably a case in almost every community in the country.

Also if children aren't in school people can't go to work. If people can't go to work there's no money. You surely know all this.

You outlined why the government would want to hide cases in schools... not NPHET...

Again, why would NPHET want to hide cases in schools? What is the payoff for them?

rodders999

Lost 3 hours of my life to Garda checkpoints on the way to and from work today.

If only they were as proficient at breaking up massive house parties and shutting down 3 day piss ups inside pubs after county finals as they are at inconveniencing essential workers maybe we wouldn’t be at level 5 to begin with.

ACitizenErased

Today's 1,066 cases;

- 244 in Dublin
- 104 in Galway
- 98 in Cork
- 92 in Meath

Rest spread across all other counties in the Republic of Ireland.

shinzon

Is Ronan Glynn no longer deputy chief medical officer ?

Shin

maebee

1066 and 3 deaths

bodhrandude

Cody montana wrote: »

Things improving!

Hopefully, was hoping it wasn't going to hit 1.5 k and god willing, it keeps going down.

8k71ps

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

NPHET have no reason to hide cases. It's the opposite. All cases need to be found and contact traced.

Well the problem is that they clearly are, probably not wholey intentionally though. Internationally the incidence rate even in countries like Singapore and South Korea seem higher in schools than they are over there despite massively more attention paid to them, let alone northern Ireland and the UK.

I do honestly think it is a mix of lack of knowledge about differences of symptoms in children alongside attempts to bring everyone back to work causing the same circumstances that caused the lockdown in the first place. Also to some degree considering the amount of funding they put in to keep them open they have a political incentive for this not to be another department of education ****up.

I could easily be wrong, but we'll see it conclusively very soon since we can see if there was any difference in infectivity over the mid term, and as well they're going to have to publish all the data in cases in schools before they reopen them.

rodders999

rodders999 wrote: »

Lost 3 hours of my life to Garda checkpoints on the way to and from work today.

If only they were as proficient at breaking up massive house parties and shutting down 3 day piss ups inside pubs after county finals as they are at inconveniencing essential workers maybe we wouldn’t be at level 5 to begin with.

That would be at odds with Garda ethos: go for the softest targets to achieve quotas and give real criminals a wide berth as that would require strenuous effort.

JP Liz V1

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Today's 1,066 cases;

- 244 in Dublin
- 104 in Galway
- 98 in Cork
- 92 in Meath

Rest spread across all other counties in the Republic of Ireland.

Massive jump in Galway

DebDynamite

BringBackMick wrote: »

I would think it would be due to stubborness?

They have reiterated time and time again that schools are not major sources of infection, so they hardly going to do a u-turn

not yet anyway

How could ever have known for definite though if the schools were closed up until two months ago? Of course they could’ve rowed back on their opinion once they saw the data when schools actually opened, and no one would’ve thought they’d had egg on their face for doing so either.

marno21

shinzon wrote: »

Is Ronan Glynn no longer deputy chief medical officer ?

Shin

Taking a break.

Well deserved imo.

Jim_Hodge

shinzon wrote: »

Is Ronan Glynn no longer deputy chief medical officer ?

Shin

There are 3 DCMOs

AnniePowwa

George Lee must be the most hated man in Ireland since Cromwell

Eod100

shinzon wrote: »

Is Ronan Glynn no longer deputy chief medical officer ?

Shin

If wikipedia is accurate there's 3:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Public_Health_Emergency_Team_(2020)

Gael23

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Massive jump in Galway

There’s a major outbreak at a nursing home in bsllinasloe

ChikiChiki

AnniePowwa wrote: »

George Lee must be the most hated man in Ireland since Cromwell

How so?

Maybe take a walk outside.

8k71ps

Sure the department of education was using a study they produced saying there was no evidence whatsoever of transmission of covid in schools to reopen them in September, I hardly think they care whatever the evidence is unless it supports what they already believed.

eigrod

Eod100 wrote: »

If wikipedia is accurate there's 3:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Public_Health_Emergency_Team_(2020)

Yep

https://whodoeswhat.gov.ie/branch/health/CMODiv/dr-tony-holohan/1828/

thomasdylan

Strumms wrote: »

My own opinion is from my own experiences of talking with doctors, physios etc... your “you might as well say” and “don’t have a clue” childishness shows that YOU are not of the ability to engage seriously on the subject, But thanks for sharing.

Training occurs here. Doctors have and do work abroad yes, it’s not illegal, nor should it be, it should simply be in a contract that you should remain here for xx time working after training.

If you disagree ? Get a job washing pots in a hotel.

'Get a job washing pots in a hotel' and I'm the childish one who can't engage? You seem very bitter.

You could always try taking the passports away from the graduating doctors, pharmacists, physiotherapists and nurses.

You said that Ireland has great training and doctors don't need to leave to work anywhere else and train. That's completely wrong. But it's 'your opinion' and you've talked to doctors and physios. Where did the doctors who did the first angiogram and kidney transplant in Ireland learn to do it?

Sierra Oscar

41,622 new cases in France today.

https://twitter.com/redouad/status/1319326694281564167

s1ippy

mloc123 wrote: »

You outlined why the government would want to hide cases in schools... not NPHET...

Again, why would NPHET want to hide cases in schools? What is the payoff for them?

NPHET can only advise the government based on the data, government is insisting that schools stay open. The HSE's test and trace system is at beyond full capacity now. NPHET are apolitical so can't give the actual opinion if it directly contradicts what the government demands. They/HSE also seem to only disclose information as permitted by government. It is in their best interest to play ball and they likely also take on board the fact that society won't be able to function without schools open, plus the "mental health" angle is something they also purport to consider.

Every other country in the world has issues with school transmission. Given the wealth of evidence that there is inadequate testing, tracing and the information being disclosed by the HSE doesn't tally with the information gathered and released by parents and staff in the schools, I can't understand how anyone would still think that there isn't a glaring oversight where schools are concerned.

BringBackMick

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

41,622 new cases in France today.

https://twitter.com/redouad/status/1319326694281564167

Wow they are indeed big figures.

JP100

Cody montana wrote: »

Things improving!

Hardly. Today's numbers have seen the national 14-day incidence rate exceed 300 per 100,000 of the population for the very first time.

JimToken

We're heading for trouble with Hospital and Care Home Staff..

Our efforts to suppress the virus means that large numbers of staff are put out of service when they are most needed

s1ippy

1 in 250 19-24 year olds are infected.

ACitizenErased

Nolan’s on about the positivity rate but showing a graph that quite clearly has dropped over the past few days