Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

DeanAustin

s1ippy wrote: »

NPHET can only advise the government based on the data, government is insisting that schools stay open. The HSE's test and trace system is at beyond full capacity now. NPHET are apolitical so can't give the actual opinion if it directly contradicts what the government demands. They/HSE also seem to only disclose information as permitted by government. It is in their best interest to play ball and they likely also take on board the fact that society won't be able to function without schools open, plus the "mental health" angle is something they also purport to consider.

Every other country in the world has issues with school transmission. Given the wealth of evidence that there is inadequate testing, tracing and the information being disclosed by the HSE doesn't tally with the information gathered and released by parents and staff in the schools, I can't understand how anyone would still think that there isn't a glaring oversight where schools are concerned.

If schools are a major contributor to the numbers it'll surely become apparent over the next 6 weeks given little else is open.

froog

as much as people hate NPHET right now, you can't fault the amount and frequency of data they give us. does any other country get updates like that?

Is Ronan Glynn no longer the deputy CMO ?

ACitizenErased

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Is Ronan Glynn no longer the deputy CMO ?

Theres more than 1 DCMO

suicide_circus

s1ippy wrote: »

1 in 250 19-24 year olds are infected.

How many in hospital

froog

Deleted User wrote: »

Is Ronan Glynn no longer the deputy CMO ?

s1ippy

DeanAustin wrote: »

If schools are a major contributor to the numbers it'll surely become apparent over the next 6 weeks given little else is open.

Well they're on mid term for the next week from Friday, but with this very loose level five we're in, it will just mean that most children are visiting their cousins and friends from the road instead of their classmates, increasing the spread of the transmission that's out there. :l

CIARAN_BOYLE

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Nolan’s on about the positivity rate but showing a graph that quite clearly has dropped over the past few days

But it's grown since last week. He only talks about these models every week.

eigrod

I would imagine Ronan Glynn is on Annual Leave. He clearly had no leave from February through to October.

ChikiChiki

froog wrote: »

as much as people hate NPHET right now, you can't fault the amount and frequency of data they give us. does any other country get updates like that?

You would wonder why the **** RTE in 2020 cannot split the screen with 3/4 graph and Nolan speaking in the corner and a bullet pointed synopsis of the information for people to absorb or a banner. Similar to what Coumo did.

The data is good but the presentation of it to viewers is shambolic.

RTE are absolutely useless. As we speak I'm squinting at the TV behind Nolan to see the info.

ACitizenErased

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

But it's grown since last week. He only talks about these models every week.

Talking about it growing while showing a graph with it dropping. Right. Communication and that.

s1ippy

suicide_circus wrote: »

How many in hospital

Nolan just said for every thousand in the under 45 category, 12 will be hospitalised and 1 will end up in ICU.

babyboom

My son's year (TY) were sent home early today as the school was so short staffed. Only 5th and 6th years to attend tomorrow. Two teachers tested positive at the weekend. I suspect the other teachers have been identified as close contacts by the teachers themselves rather than the HSE.

DeanAustin

s1ippy wrote: »

Well they're on mid term for the next week from Friday, but with this very loose level five we're in, it will just mean that most children are visiting their cousins and friends from the road instead of their classmates, increasing the spread of the transmission that's out there. :l

If we are at 1,000 cases or even 500 cases per day in 6 weeks, there's no way they can argue that schools aren't a contributor to the increase we've seen since the summer.

If cases reduce substantially more than that, we'd have to believe the numbers they're giving us around school transmission.

GeorgeBailey

mloc123 wrote: »

Genuine question... why do people think NPHET are "suppressing school cases"? What is the pay off for them on this?

What they have to gain is their stated aim of keeping schools open. I wouldn't think they're hiding the numbers but testing in such a way that it will appear less problematic than other settings.

mloc123

s1ippy wrote: »

1 in 250 19-24 year olds are infected.

All those school kids... oh, no... must be the parents of the school kids...hmmm, no... not that either :pac:

Antares35

mloc123 wrote: »

In March we were told a lot of things You know that opinions and advise can change over time... right? Just like treatments for Covid, at the start everyone was to be put on ventilators... now they aren't

Your post comes across very condescending.

But why did they decide they are no longer super spreaders? And how can they make a blanket statement that "schools are safe"? Is it because kids tend to be asymptomatic so they aren't tested - giving an artificially low incidence rate?

In any event, if the rest of us do our bit while the schools remain open and numbers don't improve then I guess they will need to change their minds again

prunudo

DeanAustin wrote: »

If we are at 1,000 cases or even 500 cases per day in 6 weeks, there's no way they can argue that schools aren't a contributor to the increase we've seen since the summer.

If cases reduce substantially more than that, we'd have to believe the numbers they're giving us around school transmission.

It will be attributed to off license sales or some other activity that the public have taken part in.

s1ippy

mloc123 wrote: »

All those school kids... oh, no... must be the parents of the school kids...hmmm, no... not that either :pac:

It's unrelated to schools, as you pointed out in a weirdly triumphant way, I was just posting it here because it was said in the briefing.

For every thousand in 45-64 age group, there are 50 hospitalisations, 10 admitted to ICU and 3 deaths

For every thousand in the over 65s group, 180 hospitalisations, 30 admitted to ICU and 30 deaths.

One 1 in between 5k and 7k under 45s will die if they contract it.

DeanAustin

prunudo wrote: »

It will be attributed to off license sales or some other activity that the public have taken part in.

If they tried that, they'd have zero credibility. Off license sales were happening in the summer. Personally, I don't think they'd offer that as an explanation.

Antares35

prunudo wrote: »

It will be attributed to off license sales or some other activity that the public have taken part in.

And all those grieving people attending their loved ones graves

DebDynamite

Sometimes Zara King sounds like she’s reporter for Newsround (or whatever the kid’s news is these days). Just asked Tony if people should go back to Zoom quizzes :rolleyes:

Blondini

mloc123 wrote: »

All those school kids... oh, no... must be the parents of the school kids...hmmm, no... not that either :pac:

Wouldn't be that unusual in Finglas..

s1ippy

DeanAustin wrote: »

If they tried that, they'd have zero credibility. Off license sales were happening in the summer. Personally, I don't think they'd offer that as an explanation.

They might get out the seismometer again like they did in the summer to measure how much we're walking around the place.

bb1234567

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

41,622 new cases in France today.

https://twitter.com/redouad/status/1319326694281564167

2000 hospitalisations ****ing hell - equivalent of 154 new hospitalisations in a day here, that's unbelievable. It seems almost too high to be true

mloc123

s1ippy wrote: »

It's unrelated to schools, as you pointed out in a weirdly triumphant way, I was just posting it here because it was said in the briefing.

But at the same time, schools are driving the case numbers right? Despite the age group with no school going contact having by far the highest rate of infection

Antares35

s1ippy wrote: »

NPHET can only advise the government based on the data, government is insisting that schools stay open. The HSE's test and trace system is at beyond full capacity now. NPHET are apolitical so can't give the actual opinion if it directly contradicts what the government demands. They/HSE also seem to only disclose information as permitted by government. It is in their best interest to play ball and they likely also take on board the fact that society won't be able to function without schools open, plus the "mental health" angle is something they also purport to consider.

Every other country in the world has issues with school transmission. Given the wealth of evidence that there is inadequate testing, tracing and the information being disclosed by the HSE doesn't tally with the information gathered and released by parents and staff in the schools, I can't understand how anyone would still think that there isn't a glaring oversight where schools are concerned.

It's because schools in Ireland are special magical places where transmission is impossible because you know...pods and stuff.

eagle eye

Deleted User wrote:

That would be at odds with Garda ethos: go for the softest targets to achieve quotas and give real criminals a wide berth as that would require strenuous effort.

I think that's a bit unfair.

Why don't you sign up and do the job how you think it should be done?

Beanybabog

s1ippy wrote: »

Can you imagine if they actually had to test all the close contacts in every classroom with a case? There are 30 individuals in many classes. Some attend multiple classes in a day. You might as well ask them to test every person in the country under 18 because at this stage there's probably a case in almost every community in the country.

Also if children aren't in school people can't go to work. If people can't go to work there's no money. You surely know all this.

I went for a test today with my kids and the man taking our details told me they're very busy with kids, including an entire class of 30ish in yesterday for a test.

mloc123

Blondini wrote: »

Wouldn't be that unusual in Finglas..

:pac: I'll give you that

s1ippy

mloc123 wrote: »

But at the same time, schools are driving the case numbers right? Despite the age group with no school going contact having by far the highest rate of infection

Where are you getting that from? Who are you arguing with?

Pete_Cavan

froog wrote: »

as much as people hate NPHET right now, you can't fault the amount and frequency of data they give us. does any other country get updates like that?

Can't fault the data? As of yesterday total cases was 53,422. Today we have 1,066 new cases both the total cases is now 54,476. 12 cases disappeared, closing in on 100 such cases for this month alone. Its only small as a proportion of the total but why do we have such numbers of incorrect positive cases being reported after all these months? Adjust the methodology and give accurate figures, don't just carry on with a system which requires the data to be modified almost every day.

mloc123

DebDynamite wrote: »

Sometimes Zara King sounds like she’s reporter for Newsround (or whatever the kid’s news is these days). Just asked Tony if people should go back to Zoom quizzes :rolleyes:

What about the weddings?

prunudo

DeanAustin wrote: »

If they tried that, they'd have zero credibility. Off license sales were happening in the summer. Personally, I don't think they'd offer that as an explanation.

Personally I don't believe they have any credibility as it is. Remember its 3 weeks today that Glynn said it was all good at level 2 and no need for extra restrictions.
They've now jumped 3 levels, lost control of track and trace and the many nursing homes and hospital on the brink.

branie2

Cases are going down

mloc123

s1ippy wrote: »

Where are you getting that from? Who are you arguing with?

I don't even know anymore

I hear brain fog is a symtom now also, I should get tested

Sierra Oscar

20,986 new cases in Spain today which is a new record, again. When we compare ourselves to the situation across the EU we are doing well.

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1319326887353659400

flanna01

Essential workers eh....??

Local bathroom tile man staying open...?

All manufacturing businesses staying open, even the fella's making plastic paddle boats..?

Schools, Schools, Schools....... Our local School - St pink Elephant's is going full steam.. Should see the students at dinner time.. Spot the face covering... Not!!

The Lockdown farcical... Absolute Joke!

Arghus

DebDynamite wrote: »

Sometimes Zara King sounds like she’s reporter for Newsround (or whatever the kid’s news is these days). Just asked Tony if people should go back to Zoom quizzes :rolleyes:

I've come round to thinking Zara serves a purpose: she asks dumb questions that a lot of people feel like asking.

s1ippy

Beanybabog wrote: »

I went for a test today with my kids and the man taking our details told me they're very busy with kids, including an entire class of 30ish in yesterday for a test.

Terrible and also a relief to hear that full classes are being tested.

The hoops my teaching colleagues have had to jump through to get public health in several instances to do their due diligence would make your skin crawl.

Hope yourself and your family are doing well and I've my fingers crossed you'll get a negative result.

I got a negative test today after being very unwell all weekend. Turnaround time from GP call to result was 4 days.

mloc123 wrote: »

I don't even know anymore

I hear brain fog is a symtom now also, I should get tested

I'd say you're alright, my head is absolutely melted from it all as well so it's going around

DeanAustin

prunudo wrote: »

Personally I don't believe they have any credibility as it is. Remember its 3 weeks today that Glynn said it was all good at level 2 and no need for extra restrictions.
They've now jumped 3 levels, lost control of track and trace and the many nursing homes and hospital on the brink.

That’s fair comment actually. The push to move from 2 to 5 within three days made them look stupid to me. Either Holohan has too much power or the others were asleep at the wheel.

Either way, if numbers stay high with everything closed and they tell us schools aren’t contributing, they’ll be a complete laughing stock.

ChikiChiki

I'm sorry Dr Tony but optimising the operation of our public health system should have been a priority since the 1st of June.

That simply has not happened.

Seamai

bb1234567 wrote: »

2000 hospitalisations ****ing hell - equivalent of 154 new hospitalisations in a day here, that's unbelievable. It seems almost too high to be true

That's frightening, three quarters of the French population are under curfew from 9pm tonight.

Roger_007

Dr Tony is telling us that:
- we must all behave for the next six weeks as if we are ‘close contacts’.
- close contacts must self-isolate.

Therefore we must all self-isolate for the next six weeks.

Have I got that right?

Eod100

DebDynamite wrote: »

Sometimes Zara King sounds like she’s reporter for Newsround (or whatever the kid’s news is these days). Just asked Tony if people should go back to Zoom quizzes :rolleyes:

Thought it was a fair question in context of people being asked to stay home and not socialise for 6 weeks. Presume CMO happy to emphasise alternative ways of socialising than meeting in person

manofwisdom

Jim_Hodge

Roger_007 wrote: »

Dr Tony is telling us that:
- we must all behave for the next six weeks as if we are ‘close contacts’.
- close contacts must self-isolate.

Therefore we must all self-isolate for the next six weeks.

Have I got that right?

More or less, yes.

froog

"school's grand shurrup"

- NPHET

c.p.w.g.w

DebDynamite wrote: »

Sometimes Zara King sounds like she’s reporter for Newsround (or whatever the kid’s news is these days). Just asked Tony if people should go back to Zoom quizzes :rolleyes:

Zara is no more a "Journalist" than i'm a professional sports star

fritzelly

Lot of propaganda being spewed over school cases in that briefing