Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

prunudo

froog wrote: »

are you for real? you're blaming checkpoints for where we are now??

Yes enforcement, lack of checkpoints for the first 3 weeks of Dublins lockdown until surrounding counties came in line.

normanoffside

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Nothing more assuring than a rich clown on RTE calling people on the bread line patriotic

Couldn't make this **** up

Close down your business, give up your job, don't see your friends. Don't laugh, don't play sports, don't have any fun.

Patriot

speckle

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's not. The staff off is far greater now than back in March. Community transmission is to blame. You are deluded if you think that the HSE chose community transmission as a coping strategy.

Welll first I think you should look to the hospital staff all be it a small minority that bresk restrictions, social distances etc outside of work hours. As different posters here have pointed out or is that a taboo subject?

I did not mention in my post anything about the hse choosing ct as a coping stratgey. Dont misinterprate my post. I was pointing out yet again, another scaremongerong post which does not help the situation

suicide_circus

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Nothing more assuring than a rich clown on RTE calling people on the bread line patriotic

Shockingly patronising

Santy2015

CruelSummer wrote: »

Why has Dr Ciara Kelly’s twitter account been deleted?

A lot of snowflakes probably got her shut down as she talks sense the majority of the time about COVID! Probably the now celebrity GP O’Thuathail reporting her....

wirelessdude01

Miike wrote: »

She made a spectacle of her self on Twitter and deleted her account.

That's a regular occurrence so what happened this time?

Did she not pull her usual victim card this time?

normanoffside

normanoffside wrote: »

Close down your business, give up your job, don't see your friends. Don't laugh, don't play sports, don't have any fun.

Patriot

Nobody wants this to happen but if your kid can't get treated for meningitis, you'd be whinging too about the "failin' ailin"' HSE.

tobefrank321

Its mostly complete idiots who have been behind the recent increase in numbers. Clowns celebrating junior b/intermediate/senior club titles. Clowns turning up in meat factories with symptoms and bosses refusing sick leave. And people returning from abroad and not bothering to isolate or going to parties despite feeling unwell.

Its very difficult to prevent these kinds of idiots doing whatever they please.

suicide_circus

Miike wrote: »

She made a spectacle of her self on Twitter and deleted her account.

What did she say?

CruelSummer

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You imply somebody apart from her? What's your point?

Ok, She questions our lockdown strategy and 3 days later her account is gone? She made valid points & twitter or whoever is forcing her to delete the account should be called out on this. You might not agree with her views - but her points are valid and should be heard.

s1ippy

Miike wrote: »

She made a spectacle of her self on Twitter and deleted her account.

Bahaha thanks for breaking the excellent news.

https://twitter.com/RummHammm/status/1318851263405215745?s=20

Abusesurvivor

tjdaly wrote: »

Clean your own house you filthy dawg.

Thanks - helpful...Have just seen a few working in neighbours’ houses yest/today while they were out doing their (non) essential jobs.

CruelSummer

suicide_circus wrote: »

What did she say?

https://twitter.com/ntbreakfast/status/1318457274839584768?s=21

She made very valid points on why she doesn’t think lockdowns are the way to go.

normanoffside

Deleted User wrote: »

Nobody wants this to happen but if your kid can't get treated for meningitis, you'd be whinging too about the "failin' ailin"' HSE.

What? The failing is the HSE, not people's behaviour.

We've spent €25bn+ on our response to this and lost multiple more in economic damage. Yet all we get for our €25bn is 30 extra ICU beds.

Shortage of staff even though 1000's volunteered and came back to ireland but only a few were employed.

Whose fault is this? the HSE or Joe Soap?

Miike

Santy2015 wrote: »

A lot of snowflakes probably got her shut down as she talks sense the majority of the time about COVID! Probably the now celebrity GP O’Thuathail reporting her....

She talks a lot of sense? To who?

She repeatedly used the words of Dr. David Nebarro outside of the context which they were applied. Stating that NPHET are 'flying in the face of the WHO' by locking down against 'their' recommendations, when that is not what we've done at all. Dr. Nebarro stated lockdown is not indicated as a primary measure of controlling the spread of COVID19 - Which Ireland has not done. Nebarro was talking about the lockdown you'll see in China where doors of apartments were WELDED shut by police to stop people going outside or the Australian approach of lengthy periods of lockdown despite evidence of 'low' (subjectively) community spread or Mediterranean countries taking similar approaches.

She made a spectacle of her self and realised that.

CruelSummer

CruelSummer wrote: »

Ok, She questions our lockdown strategy and 3 days later her account is gone? She made valid points & twitter or whoever is forcing her to delete the account should be called out on this. You might not agree with her views - but her points are valid and should be heard.

Gps are usually private contractors in relation to the HSE. The HSE couldn't make her delete her twitter.

normanoffside

Deleted User wrote: »

Nobody wants this to happen but if your kid can't get treated for meningitis, you'd be whinging too about the "failin' ailin"' HSE.

Can i ask why then they are closing down the hospital in Limerick?

manniot2

Anyone that questions covid policy in Ireland is a conspiracy theorist, according to this forum.

hotmail.com

Tubridy is a spokesman for the government now.

suicide_circus

CruelSummer wrote: »

She made very valid points on why she doesn’t think lockdowns are the way to go.

What an insane evil bitch

Happydays2020

normanoffside wrote: »

What? The failing is the HSE, not people's behaviour.

We've spent €25bn+ on our response to this and lost multiple more in economic damage. Yet all we get for our €25bn is 30 extra ICU beds.

Shortage of staff even though 1000's volunteered and came back to ireland but only a few were employed.

Whose fault is this? the HSE or Joe Soap?

Clearly it is Joe Soap’s fault.

wirelessdude01

Deleted User wrote: »

Gps are usually private contractors in relation to the HSE. The HSE couldn't make her delete her twitter.

Am I incorrect in thinking that she isn't currently registered?

tobefrank321

Clearly we learned nothing since the spring. Treating covid patients in a normal hospital is asking for trouble mainly cross infection. We need dedicated covid hospitals, we had 6 months to do this.

CruelSummer

Miike wrote: »

She talks a lot of sense? To who?

She repeatedly used the words of Dr. David Nebarro outside of the context which they were applied. Stating that NPHET are 'flying in the face of the WHO' by locking down against 'their' recommendations, when that is not what we've done at all. Dr. Nebarro stated lockdown is not indicated as a primary measure of controlling the spread of COVID19 - Which Ireland has not done. Nebarro was talking about the lockdown you'll see in China where doors of apartments were WELDED shut by police to stop people going outside or the Australian approach of lengthy periods of lockdown despite evidence of 'low' (subjectively) community spread or Mediterranean countries taking similar approaches.

She made a spectacle of her self and realised that.

There’s a lot of assumptions in this post & skewed interpretations of what Dr Navarro said in my opinion, which I am entitled to have. Her views are valid & should be heard, whatever you think of them.

Miike

normanoffside wrote: »

Can i ask why then they are closing down the hospital in Limerick?

Which hospital is closing? Are you referring to the ICF in UL?

spookwoman

CruelSummer wrote: »

By existing and living people will spread the virus. Are you suggesting we stop living? It’s this kind of attitude that has people hiding symptoms and not getting tested.
Anything you wish to do that involves others will carry a risk, food shopping, petrol, pharmacy, Doctor/medical appointment, etc.

Who said anything about stopping people living, we all know there is a risk of getting it going to the shop or to the docs, no one has said otherwise. What they do want people to stop doing is acting the gobsh*te, that's stuff like having parties, sleepovers and flouting the restrictions.

The only people blowing this out of proportions and making claims like no one is allowed live their lives is the likes of people who don't want to follow the restrictions and who can't seem to see the bigger picture.

SleetAndSnow

manniot2 wrote: »

Anyone that questions covid policy in Ireland is a conspiracy theorist, according to this forum.

Anybody that says we are being locked into our own homes is a conspiracy theorist. People who question covid policies are not.

CruelSummer

spookwoman wrote: »

Who said anything about stopping people living, we all know there is a risk of getting it going to the shop or to the docs, no one has said otherwise. What they do want people to stop doing is acting the gobsh*te, that's stuff like having parties, sleepovers and flouting the restrictions.

The only people blowing this out of proportions and making claims like no one is allowed live their lives is the likes of people who don't want to follow the restrictions and who can't seem to see the bigger picture.

And what about the people that do follow the restrictions, and see a bigger picture that they don’t agree with?

NewRed2

Numbers have fallen day on day recently. Today's are a very significant fall.

So let's rule out level-5 restrictions as having anything to thank for this, as we're constantly told it takes 2 weeks to see numbers mirror restrictions.

Therefore, level-3 was possibly working, but the reaction in numbers takes longer to register than we were led to believe?

Is that a fair question to ask?

Not much comfort for all the businesses who have been shut down but it's a fair question yes?

And if so, and lets say numbers continue to fall, will we even know if it was going that way anyway under level-3 and if level-5 was necessary at all?

I mean we're obviously seeing numbers going downward anyway so if Tony Holohan is justified with his level-5 then you need to factor in the current downward trend before his level-5 stuff don't you?

So with the trend going down and positive signs and all from level-3, I'd hope Holohans total lockdown will accelerate this reduction fairly rapidly to justify ruining our economy when its now becoming apparent that numbers were already dropping from level-3, albeit belatedly.
Bottom line, If Tony doesn't come back and press all sorts of panic buttons, our numbers would still be reducing day on day and we wouldn't be locking down the nation.
Because NPHET were happy enough with the level-3 situation til he returned. I'd have MASSIVE doubts about that fella personally.
Let alone his previous..... He's lucky to be in a job at all after the fiasco he oversaw. Now he's at it again.

Miike

CruelSummer wrote: »

There’s a lot of assumptions in this post & skewed interpretations of what Dr Navarro said in my opinion, which I am entitled to have. Her views are valid & should be heard, whatever you think of them.

Her twitter account was closed by herself. If it was Twitter that removed the account it will display a suspended or banned message.

Nabarro's video is there for everyone to see and hear: You'll notice he uses the words primary control measure.

Funsterdelux

s1ippy wrote: »

Bahaha thanks for breaking the excellent news.

https://twitter.com/RummHammm/status/1318851263405215745?s=20

Whats happened? Has she been reinfected? She's a hack been hacked?

Wolf359f

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ntbreakfast/status/1318457274839584768?s=21

She made very valid points on why she doesn’t think lockdowns are the way to go.

And yet she said not one thing we/government should be doing instead.

Santy2015

Miike wrote: »

She talks a lot of sense? To who?

She repeatedly used the words of Dr. David Nebarro outside of the context which they were applied. Stating that NPHET are 'flying in the face of the WHO' by locking down against 'their' recommendations, when that is not what we've done at all. Dr. Nebarro stated lockdown is not indicated as a primary measure of controlling the spread of COVID19 - Which Ireland has not done. Nebarro was talking about the lockdown you'll see in China where doors of apartments were WELDED shut by police to stop people going outside or the Australian approach of lengthy periods of lockdown despite evidence of 'low' (subjectively) community spread or Mediterranean countries taking similar approaches.

She made a spectacle of her self and realised that.

I disagree.
She’s made valid points and has been ridiculed for them. When will the muppets who want lockdowns realise we are in the gutter once it’s all over? Ye fûcking thick??
The vaccines are getting fûck all coverage by our media and when they do 90% of the time it’s negative crap without any real research into why something went wrong or was paused!
This country has so many people wanting to cradle the teats of this government and NPHET it’s unreal!

tobefrank321

CruelSummer wrote: »

Ok, She questions our lockdown strategy and 3 days later her account is gone? She made valid points & twitter or whoever is forcing her to delete the account should be called out on this. You might not agree with her views - but her points are valid and should be heard.

We need alternative opinions now more than ever rather than uncritical groupthink or circling of the wagons.

froog

CruelSummer wrote: »

Ok, She questions our lockdown strategy and 3 days later her account is gone? She made valid points & twitter or whoever is forcing her to delete the account should be called out on this. You might not agree with her views - but her points are valid and should be heard.

ah come off it man. you think twitter gives a ****e some media type is anti lockdown in ireland? she deleted it herself cause she can't handle internet criticism most likely.

tobefrank321

NewRed2 wrote: »

Numbers have fallen day on day recently. Today's are a very significant fall.

So let's rule out level-5 restrictions as having anything to thank for this, as we're constantly told it takes 2 weeks to see numbers mirror restrictions.

Therefore, level-3 was possibly working, but the reaction in numbers takes longer to register than we were led to believe?

Is that a fair question to ask?

Not much comfort for all the businesses who have been shut down but it's a fair question yes?

And if so, and lets say numbers continue to fall, will we even know if it was going that way anyway under level-3 and if level-5 was necessary at all?

I mean we're obviously seeing numbers going downward anyway so if Tony Holohan is justified with his level-5 then you need to factor in the current downward trend before his level-5 stuff don't you?

So with the trend going down and positive signs and all from level-3, I'd hope Holohans total lockdown will accelerate this reduction fairly rapidly to justify ruining our economy when its now becoming apparent that numbers were already dropping from level-3, albeit belatedly.
Bottom line, If Tony doesn't come back and press all sorts of panic buttons, our numbers would still be reducing day on day and we wouldn't be locking down the nation.
Because NPHET were happy enough with the level-3 situation til he returned. I'd have MASSIVE doubts about that fella personally.
Let alone his previous..... He's lucky to be in a job at all after the fiasco he oversaw. Now he's at it again.

You cannot take one day as a trend, especially a very dramatic and susicious looking drop. You have to give it a week at least to see a trend.

Thierry12

hotmail.com wrote: »

Tubridy is a spokesman for the government now.

All RTE are

A communist station

Chinese would be pround of the propaganda they instill

wirelessdude01

Wolf359f wrote: »

And yet she said not one thing we/government should be doing instead.

What that clip doesn't show is that a listener sent in a text asking what she would propose instead and she wouldn't give an answer instead saying she didn't have time to talk. Spoofer opand must try harder to be a shock jock.

verizon

Wolf359f wrote: »

And yet she said not one thing we/government should be doing instead.

Because it's obvious what we are doing is correct and level 5 is the saviour a lot in here wanted.


You can look at many examples around the world and only those fortunate to close borders completely have succeeded. Look around Europe, and everything fails for one reason or another. We have chosen to risk peoples livelihood, mental health and their families.

werenotthere

You would think Tony would have got a haircut before he closed down the barbers

Thierry12

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

What that clip doesn't show is that a listener sent in a text asking what she would propose instead and she wouldn't give an answer instead saying she didn't have time to talk. Spoofer opand must try harder to be a shock jock.

Why should she give an alternative?

If you oppose something you have to give an alternative now?

Funsterdelux

Thierry12 wrote: »

All RTE are

A communist station

Chinese would be pround of the propaganda they instill

Communist, on those salaries?

:pac:

Blondini

NewRed2 wrote: »

Numbers have fallen day on day recently. Today's are a very significant fall.

So let's rule out level-5 restrictions as having anything to thank for this, as we're constantly told it takes 2 weeks to see numbers mirror restrictions.

Therefore, level-3 was possibly working, but the reaction in numbers takes longer to register than we were led to believe?

Is that a fair question to ask?

Not much comfort for all the businesses who have been shut down but it's a fair question yes?

And if so, and lets say numbers continue to fall, will we even know if it was going that way anyway under level-3 and if level-5 was necessary at all?

I mean we're obviously seeing numbers going downward anyway so if Tony Holohan is justified with his level-5 then you need to factor in the current downward trend before his level-5 stuff don't you?

So with the trend going down and positive signs and all from level-3, I'd hope Holohans total lockdown will accelerate this reduction fairly rapidly to justify ruining our economy when its now becoming apparent that numbers were already dropping from level-3, albeit belatedly.
Bottom line, If Tony doesn't come back and press all sorts of panic buttons, our numbers would still be reducing day on day and we wouldn't be locking down the nation.
Because NPHET were happy enough with the level-3 situation til he returned. I'd have MASSIVE doubts about that fella personally.
Let alone his previous..... He's lucky to be in a job at all after the fiasco he oversaw. Now he's at it again.

Look man, I'm all for positivity, but the hospital numbers are definitely heading in the wrong direction which are far more important than the daily case numbers. I don't mean to pisss in your coco pops or anything.

Thierry12

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Communist, on those salaries?

:pac:

They are all well paid

Thats the point

Away With The Fairies

So shops can open if they do click and collect? How does click and collect work? Shop online, pay online and go to shop to collect your order?

Masks have been mandated in shops since July, so why close the smaller shops that doesn't offer click and collect like this?

Wolf359f

verizon wrote: »

Because it's obvious what we are doing is correct and level 5 is the saviour a lot in here wanted.


You can look at many examples around the world and only those fortunate to close borders completely have succeeded. Look around Europe, and everything fails for one reason or another. We have chosen to risk peoples livelihood, mental health and their families.

Christ not this crazy thinking again.

spookwoman

CruelSummer wrote: »

And what about the people that do follow the restrictions, and see a bigger picture that they don’t agree with?

No one is stopping people from living or existing.

verizon

Wolf359f wrote: »

Christ not this crazy thinking again.

You need a lesson in interpretation. It's a current fact, but I never advocated nor will advocate for it.

Wolf359f

Thierry12 wrote: »

Why should she give an alternative?

If you oppose something you have to give an alternative now?

If you're saying someone is wrong or doing something wrong, at least be able to point out the correct thing to do.

Thierry12

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

So shops can open if they do click and collect? How does click and collect work? Shop online, pay online and go to shop to collect your order?

Masks have been mandated in shops since July, so why close the smaller shops that doesn't offer click and collect like this?

Power is in numbers and they have no numbers

They wouldn't dare cross Musgraves and close Centras

Corrupt as ****