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    #92
    cubatahavana
    Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭cubatahavana


    Dogg Munde wrote: »
    Ignore all the terrible advise above.

    Yes, it's perfectly allowed... There's a specific exemption for the provision of childcare in the guidance for the household visit ban.

    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#social-and-family-gatherings

    In your home or garden

    No visitors to home or garden, with the exception of visits for essential purposes (for example: family reasons such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people, or as part of a support bubble).

    It's also called out as an exemption to the 5km limit.


    But this _is_ childcare...

    BuT ThIs Is ChILDcArE


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    #93
    First Up
    Registered Users Posts: 14,822 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Sardonicat wrote:
    No, a two parent family can't have their kids with grandparents currently and there has been a household visit ban in place for a fortnight now.

    Where has that been set out?


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    #94
    vafankillar
    Registered Users Posts: 559 ✭✭✭vafankillar


    rosiem wrote: »
    I have seen reports that Tesco are to close the clothes sections off in store anybody know if this is true and if Dunnes operate the same policy as need to buy some items tomorrow but don’t want to travel if they will both have sections closed.

    Dunnes in lucan doesn't even have a supermarket section and it was open today somehow


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    #95
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,387 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    its childcare, its essential

    It's essential if no one else is available to provide it, not just cos one of the two parents fancy a break. And this is precisely why we are in the mess we are in now, people picking and choosing what they want to follow while the vulnerable and their carers have been left shalted since March.


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    #96
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users Posts: 8,436 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    KaneToad wrote: »
    Exactly.

    This scenario sounds like the parents enjoyed the break from the child (and why wouldn't they!) and the grandparents enjoyed having their grandchild. This is not catered for during the current restrictions.

    Youd wonder about some people, ...

    Its allowed, no ones going to be stopping anyone dropping kids to the grandparents to look after them for an afternoon...


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    #97
    Rrrrrr2
    Registered Users Posts: 982 ✭✭✭Rrrrrr2


    Why even ask? Go do what you need to do Worthing the privacy of your family. The virtue signallers will always give you the official line.


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    #98
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,387 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    its childcare, its essential

    And Mammy is there to provide it.


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    #99
    Rrrrrr2
    Registered Users Posts: 982 ✭✭✭Rrrrrr2


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    Youd wonder about some people, ...

    Its allowed, no ones going to be stopping anyone dropping kids to the grandparents to look after them for an afternoon...

    Indeed. What next. Like in school when you had to ask teacher to use the bogs. I feel some people have never left that mindset


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    #100
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users Posts: 8,436 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    It's essential if no one else is available to provide it, not just cos one of the two parents fancy a break. And this is precisely why we are in the mess we are in now, people picking and choosing what they want to follow while the vulnerable and their carers have been left shalted since March.

    Your personal circumstances aren't relevant to the question, just like mine arent


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    #101
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users Posts: 13,317 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Why can't people make these decisions themselves?


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    #102
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,387 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    Youd wonder about some people, ...

    Its allowed, no ones going to be stopping anyone dropping kids to the grandparents to look after them for an afternoon...

    It is not allowed which is precisely why the bubble system was introduced for those at risk of social isolation. But I think you know that already and like to justify a bit of guideline interpretation so you can tell yourself you're not the problem.


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    #103
    sabat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    Rrrrrr2 wrote: »
    Indeed. What next. Like in school when you had to ask teacher to use the bogs. I feel some people have never left that mindset

    I wrote a few weeks back that someone I know had a meal in Yamamori on George's St. Diners had to raise their hand and wait for a staff member to take them to the toilet and then get escorted back to their seat. To the OP: do whatever you want.


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    #104
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users Posts: 8,436 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    It is not allowed which is precisely why the bubble system was introduced for those at risk of social isolation. But I think you know that already and like to justify a bit of guideline interpretation so you can tell yourself you're not the problem.

    It's not about telling myself anything, it's about using a bit of common sense


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    #105
    sabat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    It's not about telling myself anything, it's about using a bit of common sense

    Common sense is to ignore the government and this entire farce.


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    #106
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,387 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    Your personal circumstances aren't relevant to the question, just like mine arent

    They are when the reason my life is so constrained and my services have been stopped is because community spread us too high to resume services for the elderly because people like to interpret the guidelines to suit their own selfish wants. Wanting an afternoon free from the kids is not essential. Having to attend a hospital appointment and needing someone to mind them is.


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    #107
    Sheep Shagger
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 6,350 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sheep Shagger


    rosiem wrote: »
    I have seen reports that Tesco are to close the clothes sections off in store anybody know if this is true and if Dunnes operate the same policy as need to buy some items tomorrow but don’t want to travel if they will both have sections closed.

    Wouldn't be suprised if this is anything to go by.


    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/essential-retailers-risk-a-firestorm-if-they-exploit-the-closure-of-the-non-essential-1.4385489


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    #108
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    IliveinCork wrote: »
    Looks like I'll be stuck with them on Saturdays for now then. :D


    "stuck with" your kids?


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    #109
    DaSilva
    Registered Users Posts: 695 ✭✭✭DaSilva


    Yeah sorry, it doesn't matter if what you are doing is no risk since you are both isolated groups, it doesn't matter if its good for the mental well being of you, your child and your parents. What matters is we stick to rules for the sake of sticking to rules!

    If you look all around Europe you can see the amazing effect these kind of blanket rules have had in protecting people from the spread of covid


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    #110
    Rrrrrr2
    Registered Users Posts: 982 ✭✭✭Rrrrrr2


    DaSilva wrote: »
    Yeah sorry, it doesn't matter if what you are doing is no risk since you are both isolated groups, it doesn't matter if its good for the mental well being of you, your child and your parents. What matters is we stick to rules for the sake of sticking to rules!

    If you look all around Europe you can see the amazing effect these kind of blanket rules have had in protecting people from the spread of covid

    Yea, So amazing in fact the countries with more severe restrictions have similar or same death rates as looser countries :pac::pac:


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    #111
    IliveinCork
    Registered Users Posts: 35 ✭IliveinCork


    Dogg Munde wrote: »
    Ignore all the terrible advise above.

    Yes, it's perfectly allowed... There's a specific exemption for the provision of childcare in the guidance for the household visit ban.

    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#social-and-family-gatherings

    In your home or garden

    No visitors to home or garden, with the exception of visits for essential purposes (for example: family reasons such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people, or as part of a support bubble).

    It's also called out as an exemption to the 5km limit.


    But this _is_ childcare...

    So going by what you and gov.ie are saying than it does qualify as valid grounds to visit another household it seems.
    Thanks for highlighting this Dogg Munde, I probably should have started at gov.ie before boards. xD


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    #112
    IliveinCork
    Registered Users Posts: 35 ✭IliveinCork


    Rrrrrr2 wrote: »
    Why even ask? Go do what you need to do Worthing the privacy of your family. The virtue signallers will always give you the official line.

    I want clarification as to what is and isn't allowed according to the government, than there's no misunderstandings.
    If it's legal but someone else has a problem with it than that's their problem and not mine.
    Sardonicat wrote: »
    Could be worse, you could be a carer for a person with dementia since March without a single break. Get a bit of perspective.

    There's always someone who has it worse. I'm not looking for sympathy I just want clarification on what I can and can't do.


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    #113
    John_Rambo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,659 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Why can't people make these decisions themselves?

    Some people need to be told. They need direct instructions, we see this in all walks of life in work, at home etc... This is entirely evident when it was left to people to take personal responsibility.

    People need to avoid contact with any elderly people. Look after them distantly unless they need direct care. Avoid using them for childcare if at all possible.


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    #114
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    IliveinCork wrote: »
    So going by what you and gov.ie are saying than it does qualify as valid grounds to visit another household it seems.
    Thanks for highlighting this Dogg Munde, I probably should have started at gov.ie before boards. xD

    I think you had an agenda before starting this thread, as obviously what you want to hear is that its okay, when you know damn well, its not.

    On your own head be it, if your parents contract Covid due to your actions.

    I just hope if that does happen, you're prepared to take care of them yourself then, and not expect someone else, like a nurse or doctor on the front line, to do it for you, putting them at risk and adding a further strain on our hospital services due to your selfish need to not be "stuck" with your kids.


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    #115
    Mrsmum
    Registered Users Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Mrsmum


    See I think we all have these little scenarios which we think do no harm but collectively they do.


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    #116
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users Posts: 10,659 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    IliveinCork wrote: »
    Well technically they would be helping me with childcare if Babysitting counts. It sounds like a two parent family can't have their kids out with the grandparents currently.



    I've been obeying the rules since March, I don't plan on ignoring them now. It'd be nice if other people felt the same way in order to not prolong the whole thing.
    There's been failures at government level too to be fair.

    That's not child care or baby sitting as you seem to describe it. You just have the child visiting the grandparent to give yourself a break. That's not covered. If it was we'd have our grandchildren over all the time.


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    #117
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users Posts: 10,659 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    IliveinCork wrote: »
    So going by what you and gov.ie are saying than it does qualify as valid grounds to visit another household it seems.
    Thanks for highlighting this Dogg Munde, I probably should have started at gov.ie before boards. xD

    Your scenario is not childcare though. Where are you going that you require childcare? And using an elder person is doubly wrong.


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    #118
    Rrrrrr2
    Registered Users Posts: 982 ✭✭✭Rrrrrr2


    Mrsmum wrote: »
    See I think we all have these little scenarios which we think do no harm but collectively they do.

    I think we all have these scenarios and it’s all called living. You want to live your life in a paranoid goldfish bowl off you go- there isn’t anyone actually stopping you. The rest of us just don’t need the virtue signalling and gaslighting about it though


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    #119
    Rrrrrr2
    Registered Users Posts: 982 ✭✭✭Rrrrrr2


    John_Rambo wrote: »
    Some people need to be told. They need direct instructions, we see this in all walks of life in work, at home etc... This is entirely evident when it was left to people to take personal responsibility.

    People need to avoid contact with any elderly people. Look after them distantly unless they need direct care. Avoid using them for childcare if at all possible.

    I’d ask the dog for her opinion first tbh- and it would be as useful and incisive as these people


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    #120
    [Deleted User]
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    Rrrrrr2 wrote: »
    I’d ask the dog for her opinion first tbh- and it would be as useful and incisive as these people

    People like you are the reason why case numbers are back at over 1000 a day.


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    #121
    Melanchthon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭Melanchthon


    Mrsmum wrote: »
    See I think we all have these little scenarios which we think do no harm but collectively they do.

    People keep giving the OP a hard time about the official guidelines but think about it, the schools are open, children according to Irish officials (unlike other countries officials) are not a significant transmission risk. The official rules aren't based on just evidence they are based on various governmental priorities, I am sure some of the posters getting annoyed are sending their kids to school despite other jurisdictions on this island officially saying school closures have a significant effect on R numbers.

    OP bring your parents to your kids school, Covid transmission isn't officially an big problem in schools so they will be officially safe.

    Unsarcastic I would say it depends if both both you and your kids have been isolated for the last week or two.


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