Shooting season impact

richiedel123

Vegeta wrote: »

To be honest when I first read it I thought it was a wind up because the logic is so flawed and it is not very well drafted. It is a brazen example of false equivalence.


It's akin to saying that because walking is a sport, going to collect the post is also a sport and therefore it's not allowed.

It's contradictory to everything so far. They say exercise and u try do it and somebody decides u can't do it. It's gone draconian at this stage.
The more I think about it though it definitely reeks of somebody whispering in the right persons ear and getting the result they wanted. For what reason or personal gain I don't have a clue. Can only assume it's to try take a swipe at other groups and associations

bluezulu49

Limerick Sovereigns wrote: »

Below is a statement from The Sports Coalition. I thought they went away after almost destroying target shooting, but no, they re-appear whenever they can do maximum damage to our sports:


COVID-19 and the PHEASANT SHOOTING SEASON

Information

Please note that Pheasant shooting due to begin on 1st of November is prohibited ........


29th October, 2020

Hi. Just wondering where you found this. Does not appear to be on their website.

Vizzy

richiedel123 wrote: »

It's contradictory to everything so far. They say exercise and u try do it and somebody decides u can't do it. It's gone draconian at this stage.
The more I think about it though it definitely reeks of somebody whispering in the right persons ear and getting the result they wanted. For what reason or personal gain I don't have a clue. Can only assume it's to try take a swipe at other groups and associations

It is !!

3 people, two politicians and a guy from NPWS sprang this on Tues or Weds.

zeissman

I'm waiting patiently on a nargc statement on this.

richiedel123

zeissman wrote: »

I'm waiting patiently on a nargc statement on this.

One went out last night with another to follow before Sunday as far as I'm aware

cookimonster

cookimonster wrote: »

Why on earth was this posted on the Garda website. Did I miss something did the publish similar statements for other sporting activities?

The mistake was made asking for guidance from the government.

Instead of a "use common sense" approach it got an official NO.

Thanks guys.

Grizzly 45

richiedel123 wrote: »

Looks like the guards did unless there was somebody behind the scenes pulling the strings. Only thing I find funny is a certain group came out with a statement very early about all this. This group hasn't been seen or heard from in a long while and then they arrive on with a statement slating other organisations for their interpretation of the new covid s.i.

And I think we can start putting a suspect list together already;
SCOVI,AGS,Antis.Or a combination of all 3.

Grizzly 45

Deleted User wrote: »

The mistake was made asking for guidance from the government.

Instead of a "use common sense" approach it got an official NO.

Thanks guys.

Yup,
a Cover Your Ass Always Be Covered edict

Grizzly 45

meathstevie wrote: »

Since there’s no Tour de France stage or elite one day Classic race planned for Ireland next Sunday does that mean that all idiots in lycra on racing cycles are banned from the road as well, regardless if they’re respecting a 5km limit or not ?

Why did the virtual Dublin Marathon go ahead ?

If this does happen that the lycred ones are out and about on their wire two-wheel contraptions. We can call discrimination. Let's face it, folks. We really only get from Sept1st to in most cases, Jan31st every year to enjoy our sport 5 months, maybe even less with a cold-weather ban if the Winter is hard. Now with this bulloney its possibly down to 4 or fewer months. You can hop on your bike and pedal to heart's content 365 days a year. As well as the fact we hunt mostly by ourselves and don't have to congregate in packs on the roads.It would be unfair if they are allowed to continue their "solitary sport" and flaunt the Sports Ireland,etc rules on "Elite sports".
After all "We are all in this together!" [and other such soviet Russia Gable end house paroles]:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Limerick Sovereigns

bluezulu49 wrote: »

Hi. Just wondering where you found this. Does not appear to be on their website.

It was a word document (with Sports Coalition Letterhead) circulated by my local gun club by whatsapp yesterday.

J.R.

zeissman wrote: »

I'm waiting patiently on a nargc statement on this.

On their website.

Under HOME tab click Covid

meathstevie

richiedel123 wrote: »

It's contradictory to everything so far. They say exercise and u try do it and somebody decides u can't do it. It's gone draconian at this stage.
The more I think about it though it definitely reeks of somebody whispering in the right persons ear and getting the result they wanted. For what reason or personal gain I don't have a clue. Can only assume it's to try take a swipe at other groups and associations

It’s a possibility or it comes from a different corner and someone has been played as a useful idiot.

zeissman

J.R. wrote: »

On their website.

Under HOME tab click Covid

I can't find anything recent only the article from the 20th of October which was before the garda press release.

cookimonster

zeissman wrote: »

I can't find anything recent only the article from the 20th of October which was before the garda press release.

This is the current statement...

NARGC STATEMENT – 30.10.’20

The NARGC has been made aware of the following Press Release on the Garda Website –

“Pheasant shooting season begins on Sunday 1st November. This normally involves shooting club members travelling to pheasant shoots around the country, frequently in groups, and is regarded as sport shooting.
Under the current regulations (SI 448), sporting events must be organised under the structure/ licence of a national governing body, funded by Sport Ireland. As such, sport shooting is prohibited in any other circumstances.

Recreational hunting does not fall under any of the exemptions allowed for exercise or sporting events. It has also been clarified that recreational hunting does not come under any permissible exemptions for travel outside of the home.
Shooting of vermin (rats/foxes/crows) is permissible as an essential support service to the farming and agriculture profession.”

The NARGC is of the view that An Garda Síochána is erring in its interpretation of the activity of pheasant shooting as engaged in by our Members nationally. The Association is also of the view that the activity of rough pheasant shooting, as distinct from driven pheasant shooting, does not fall within the meaning of S.I. 448 of 2020, published by the Minister for Health, Mr. Stephen Donnelly, T.D. on October 21st 2020.
The Association obviously does not wish anyone to act in breach of State law or public safety but notwithstanding, it is seeking legal advice on the situation overall and further clarification will issue shortly and before Sunday next, November 1st.

Dan Curley
National Chairman
NARGC

Covid 19 Guidance for NARGC members

See Link, Covid 19 levels / Restrictions is the HSE guidance on the restrictions at each level.

Going outside / further than the travel restrictions allow are further clarified as follow;

(1) travel to and from work, or for the purposes of work and where that work cannot be done from home
(2) to attend medical appointments and collect medicines and other health products
(3) for vital family reasons, such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people, but excluding social family visits
(4) for farming purposes, that is, food production or care of animals

No. 4 would allow us to care for Birds and all that entails.

However that would not include travelling for Shooting or Hunting.

Equally it had been clarified for us in the full lockdown last Spring, that we could act as an agent for farmers in controlling predators, provided that we had it in writing from the farmer (Email sufficient), indicating that was the purpose of our trip.

We must comply with the HSE guidelines. We must also be cognizant of the particular circumstances of the area we are going into and exercise common sense in what we do, and ensure our actions do not contribute in any way to the spread of this Virus

J.R.

marlin vs

NARGC STATEMENT – 31.10.’20

BAN ON RECREATIONAL HUNTING

Following on from our Statement of yesterday, the NARGC is intimately aware of the anguish and distress that has been levied on all hunters by the announcement from the Dept. of Justice, posted on the website of An Garda Siochána on October 29th 2020, to the effect that recreational hunting does not fall under any of the exemptions allowed for exercise or sporting events and does not come under any permissible exemptions for travel outside of the home.


The NARGC considers it as an appalling insult that decent hunting men and women would be treated by any Government Dept. in the way meted out by the Dept. of Justice and with such short notice before, in particular, the commencement of the Pheasant shooting season. The pheasant shooting season is the pinnacle of the year for most NARGC members and so greater is the sense of devastation felt by everyone.


The NARGC has endeavored to remedy matters and has made several representations to Government Ministers, TD’s and Senators, all without any meaningful success. The Association is also pursuing appropriate legal advice which will be followed up on in the coming days.


We are mindful of our collective civic responsibilities in terms of State law and the health and wellbeing of all our citizens. It is therefore incumbent on all Gun Club members to refrain from all hunting pursuits, except for the control of vermin, for the duration of the current period of negotiations.


When further developments ensue, we will of course advise everyone immediately through our website (www.nargc.ie) and our Facebook pages.

Dan Curley
National Chairman
NARGC

Grizzly 45

Are we p"""ED OFF yet???:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

locum-motion

The Garda statement relies on one specific Statutory Instrument, SI448 of 2020.
Read it. Here it is; http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2020/si/448/made/en/print

The Garda statement says that only certain types of Sporting Event can go ahead; namely those that receive Sport Ireland funding. Other sporting events are forbidden. So far so bad.

However, that same SI includes a definition of “Sporting Event”. It is an event “...to be held wholly or partly for competitive sport reasons...”

Pheasant shooting is not competitive.

Therefore it is not a sporting event within the meaning of the Regulations. Therefore SI 448 does not apply.

marlin vs

This is up on the NARGC website.

marlin vs

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Are we p"""ED OFF yet???:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

You fxxxxxx bet.

locum-motion

locum-motion wrote: »

The Garda statement relies on one specific Statutory Instrument, SI448 of 2020.
Read it. Here it is; http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2020/si/448/made/en/print

The Garda statement says that only certain types of Sporting Event can go ahead; namely those that receive Sport Ireland funding. Other sporting events are forbidden. So far so bad.

However, that same SI includes a definition of “Sporting Event”. It is an event “...to be held wholly or partly for competitive sport reasons...”

Pheasant shooting is not competitive.

Therefore it is not a sporting event within the meaning of the Regulations. Therefore SI 448 does not apply.

Sorry I mean Section 10.2 of SI 448 does not apply.

meathstevie

May I suggest that we all go out on Sunday within 5km from our house and ring 999 every time we see a cyclist in racing attire on a racing bike or a jogger in athletics clothing. Provided of course they’re not participating in a UCI or Athletics Ireland elite event.

By the way, don’t carry an extra pair of socks in your pockets unless you want to be arrested on suspicion of possession with intent to supply of non-essential goods and services.

If we can’t go shooting we can at least give the government a hand putting a stop to other forms of heinous pandemic spreading.

All messing aside, I do understand and support the fact that we need to seriously curtail normal social life and activities in order to slow down COVID spreading but how for heavens sake are sports and pastimes like fishing, golf or rough shooting minus the socialising after going to contribute to the spread of viral infections ?

Grizzly 45

Or , if you have a clay trap and the property to do it on safely, let's all go clay pigeon shooting on an early Sunday morning for the next 5 Sundays? 8 AM sound good?

meathstevie

locum-motion wrote: »

Sorry I mean Section 10.2 of SI 448 does not apply.

Locum-motion, you may be making a very valid point there. Rough shooting indeed does not fall under the definition of sporting events in that SI as there is no competitive element between humans involved in it. You’re pitting your shooting skills against the pheasant’s flying and concealment skills but that’s about it.

I’ve been taking the mick about cycling and jogging within 5km from your house and so on in here but it’s exactly that type of reasoning that’s has lead to the situation we’re in now.

slipperyox

"recreational hunting"

What if you hunt for food?
And don't enjoy doing it?

cookimonster

....... and lets not forget there of hundreds of deer hunting licences as yet not processed.....


The Paranoia Is Beginning to Set In....

garrettod

Here we go again...

More sh1te, and we just sit here and take it, as per usual.

The NARGC have enough members that they can ask everyone to start phoning their local politicans, to apply pressure. Why aren't they doing it?

Suffice to say, everyone here should be doing the same...

Benny mcc

no hunting or shooting is essential right now so we can all do the right thing and stay the fcuk at home and maybe next year we'll be out the other side of this s#*t and be back to normal. I understand the trying to justify getting out for a shot and I was thinking the same but it's all a bit selfish.

clivej

Well I'll be out next week exercising my right "...............as an essential support service to the farming and agriculture profession." And for this I will have to travel more than the 5km limit from my home.
I have printed off the page from the Garda website where states my right and also I have printed off a copy of my permission from the farmer where it states I can shoot vermin, deer, and game, on his lands.

https://www.garda.ie/en/about-us/our-departments/office-of-corporate-communications/news-media/what-about-pheasant-shooting-during-level-5-.html
Where it states.............
"Shooting of vermin (rats/foxes/crows) is permissible as an essential support service to the farming and agriculture profession".

meathstevie

Benny mcc wrote: »

no hunting or shooting is essential right now so we can all do the right thing and stay the fcuk at home and maybe next year we'll be out the other side of this s#*t and be back to normal. I understand the trying to justify getting out for a shot and I was thinking the same but it's all a bit selfish.

It is if livestock or crop is being damaged by wild animals.

But that aside, why can’t you exercise within 5km from your home if you’re shooting “recreationally” as it’s put ? Just like why you can’t buy a pair of socks, there’s no good reason for the prohibition.

There’s no problem doing exactly that if cycling, skateboarding, running or roller skating is your thing. Similar, why would a round of golf within 5k from your home be harmful, or a spot of fishing ?