European Super League - plans announced

DeanAustin

Oat23 wrote: »

What is the source on that? There are fake accounts on twitter spreading the Leipzig/Bayern rumour but I haven't seen Porto mentioned before.

Leipzig leaving the Bundesliga would make just about everyone happy and given their main motivation if pushing their energy drink brand they would instantly accept an invite. Their fans have no say and are irrelevant honestly.

Bayern I could also tolerate leaving but their fans would never stand for it. It won't happen.

None of these clubs believe they are leaving their domestic league.

Tom Mann Centuria

Come in Mr Levy*, congrats on coming 3rd in the Brawndo Superlative League of European Awesome, sadly though this will be your last season as an oil tycoon has bought Hull and their bank balance is now better than yours.

Do please feel free to try again when you post next year's financials.


*Or any other chairman, not picking on Spurs, all the owners are spineless bottom-feeders.

Cypher_sounds

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Wonder why PSG aren't involved?

They are waiting for the 3 other teams left in CL to be kicked out by UEFA so they can finally win the CL then join the super league.

True meaning of buying the league right there.

Supporters clubs in England will oppose this. Well, Liverpool will and I'd expect Utd's will too.

y0ssar1an22

psg holding out hoping the other 3 are kicked out of the CL so they can win it

nullzero

6 wrote: »

Supporters clubs in England will oppose this. Well, Liverpool will and I'd expect Utd's will too.

United fans have been opposed to the Glazers since they arrived. Look at FC United of Manchester as a point of reference.

TheadoreT

The Champions league will surely have to rebrand now if it decides to continue. Like can't be accepting 4 midtable teams from England, would be farcical

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

6 wrote: »

Supporters clubs in England will oppose this. Well, Liverpool will and I'd expect Utd's will too.

It's not going down well with arsenal fans either. There will be too much backlash and in the end it won't happen, in the meantime though I hope all 12 clubs involved get relegated.

Oat23

DeanAustin wrote: »

None of these clubs believe they are leaving their domestic league.

The DFL are not going to allow clubs from the Bundesliga to compete in a competition that guarantees them an income of over €200m per season and makes league games irrelevant.

The fans won't allow it, and in Germany fans actually have a say, thankfully. The representatives of every club will vote for them to be kicked out when fans tell them to, otherwise they'll lose their jobs themselves.

There's probably something in the leagues rules already stating teams cannot enter into new competitions without the consent of the league. There is in the EPL rules.

klose

It will be interesting to hear what players and managers say when quizzed about, Klopp is on record as being opposed to it a few years back so his PR manager must be onto him.

Morrison J

How do the players handle this when interviewed? Surely they have to take the side of the fans and oppose it. Feel like most managers will naturally be against it. I can see the pressure mounting and some sort of player/manager strike happening and putting an end to this.

Jelle1880

I would absolutely love it it UEFA go in a huff and award PSG the CL tomorrow.

ACitizenErased

UCL and UEL suspended according to reports

DeanAustin

Oat23 wrote: »

The DFL are not going to allow clubs from the Bundesliga to compete in a competition that guarantees them an income of over €200m per season and makes league games irrelevant.

The fans won't allow it, and in Germany fans actually have a say, thankfully. The representatives of every club will vote for them to be kicked out when fans tell them to, otherwise they'll lose their jobs themselves.

There's probably something in the leagues rules already stating teams cannot enter into new competitions without the consent of the league. There is in the EPL rules.

Let's see if the EPL actually invoke those rules. When the stakes are this high, compromises usually result. The EPL ****s out the big 6 and they're left with a competition no one wants to watch and the TV deals disappear. They won't do that.

nullzero

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 wrote: »

It's not going down well with arsenal fans either. There will be too much backlash and in the end it won't happen, in the meantime though I hope all 12 clubs involved get relegated.

I tend to agree.

As a United fan, seeing us finally scraping our way back towards the top has been satisfying but our owners are leeches and drastic action is needed against them and their ilk.

namloc1980

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

This Super League will only be a disaster if teams are banned from their national league, and cups. If they're not banned then it's game on.
Super League will have amazing games week in week out.

20 TEAMS?
But we only have 12 on board so far.


Would teams really not want to win their own league? Come on, that's silly, course they'd want to win it. Super League is just European midweek football, same as CL is.
Winning the Premier League is better that winning Super League or CL .

Spurs versus Inter in a dead rubber will be awesome alright!

RoryMac

Morrison J wrote: »

How do the players handle this when interviewed? Surely they have to take the side of the fans and oppose it. Feel like most managers will naturally be against it. I can see the pressure mounting and some sort of player/manager strike happening and putting an end to this.

I'd imagine the club's will ask the players to say something like it's not their decision and they just want to play football blah blah..

It will be interesting to see what the players say, no sign of any making comments online so far

fyfe79

Oat23 wrote: »

The DFL are not going to allow clubs from the Bundesliga to compete in a competition that guarantees them an income of over €200m per season and makes league games irrelevant.

The fans won't allow it, and in Germany fans actually have a say, thankfully. The representatives of every club will vote for them to be kicked out when fans tell them to, otherwise they'll lose their jobs themselves.

There's probably something in the leagues rules already stating teams cannot enter into new competitions without the consent of the league. There is in the EPL rules.

Fair play to the German teams, who have seemingly learned from their own country's history that there's a need to maintain group control over a common interest in order to prevent bad actors from sabotaging it.

nullzero

nullzero wrote: »

United fans have been opposed to the Glazers since they arrived. Look at FC United of Manchester as a point of reference.

Id expect fans will protest and even boycott matches depending on the PL decision.

On your point on FC United of Manchester, yes some did leave. Fergie ridiculed those fans.

I don't know any Utd fans over here that stopped supporting Utd, and I know a lot. Even on here,where'd you'd expect a few perhaps. Dumping your team is a big step, and not one I'd agree with.


Anyway, fans should protest over this. I think the size of protest will hinge on the PL decision.

LuckyLloyd

ACitizenErased wrote: »

UCL and UEL suspended according to reports

Source?

DeanAustin

ACitizenErased wrote: »

UCL and UEL suspended according to reports

Where you seeing this? Think that'd be a terrible knee jerk move to be honest.

Oat23

DeanAustin wrote: »

Let's see if the EPL actually invoke those rules. When the stakes are this high, compromises usually result. The EPL ****s out the big 6 and they're left with a competition no one wants to watch and the TV deals disappear. They won't do that.

As others have pointed out, competition integrity is totally lost if they admit these 6 clubs to compete in the league. The PL is stuck between a rock and a hard place if the super league goes ahead.

ACitizenErased

DeanAustin wrote: »

Where you seeing this? Think that'd be a terrible knee jerk move to be honest.

All over twitter on multiple verified accounts that BBC have said it but I can't see it anywhere from BBC

nullzero

Morrison J wrote: »

How do the players handle this when interviewed? Surely they have to take the side of the fans and oppose it. Feel like most managers will naturally be against it. I can see the pressure mounting and some sort of player/manager strike happening and putting an end to this.

They'll be instructed to say nothing or else.

Same bully boy tactics from their employers that their employers are using to start this Super league idea.

Morrison J

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

This Super League will only be a disaster if teams are banned from their national league, and cups. If they're not banned then it's game on.
Super League will have amazing games week in week out.

They literally have to be kicked from the domestic league if the Super League happens. 6 teams at the top of the league all getting billions more in revenue over the other clubs. What's the point in the other clubs even trying? Hardly "game on".

Zaph

It'll never happen, but I'd love to see the players of these teams, either individually or through FIFPro, taking a stand and saying they won't play in the ESL. A big selling point of the ESL is seeing the world's best players facing each other more regularly. But if the players won't play ball, then how attractive would a new league full of reserves be? In general, I'd be interested to hear what FIFPro, the PFA, or individual players have to say about the whole thing, especially given how against it fans in general are.

DeanAustin

Oat23 wrote: »

As others have pointed out, competition integrity is totally lost if they admit these 6 clubs to compete in the league. The PL is stuck between a rock and a hard place if the super league goes ahead.

The Premier League is no more about sporting integrity than the ESL. No one wants the big money pot to shrink even if the odds are stacked even more in favour of the big teams.

Guy:Incognito

Jelle1880 wrote: »

I would absolutely love it it UEFA go in a huff and award PSG the CL tomorrow.

And then on Tuesday psg announce they're off to the esl.

greendom

DeanAustin wrote: »

Where you seeing this? Think that'd be a terrible knee jerk move to be honest.

To suspend it is the opposite of knee jerk. Let the dust settle and make decisions then. Knee jerk would be to award the CL to PSG and to declare the final of the EL to be between Villarreal and Roma.

Tom Mann Centuria

greendom wrote: »

To suspend it is the opposite of knee jerk. Let the dust settle and make decisions then. Knee jerk would be to award the CL to PSG and to declare the final of the EL to be between Villarreal and Roma.

I'd love to see that.

Cookiemunster

Morrison J wrote: »

They literally have to be kicked from the domestic league if the Super League happens. 6 teams at the top of the league all getting billions more in revenue over the other clubs. What's the point in the other clubs even trying? Hardly "game on".

What billions? The word is its around $200-300m per club. Still admitedly a lot more than the get from the PL, but nowhere near billions.

Jelle1880

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

And then on Tuesday psg announce they're off to the esl.

PSG's owners have a lot of interest in the Champions League doing well

DeanAustin

greendom wrote: »

To suspend it is the opposite of knee jerk. Let the dust settle and make decisions then. Knee jerk would be to award the CL to PSG and to declare the final of the EL to be between Villarreal and Roma.

There's no game this week. If they suspend now, less than 2 hours after the ESL has been announced late on a Sunday night, it looks like they are giving it credibility and are running scared a bit. In my view, they should see what the next few days brings and make a decision then.

Guy:Incognito

Zaph wrote: »

It'll never happen, but I'd love to see the players of these teams, either individually or through FIFPro, taking a stand and saying they won't play in the ESL. A big selling point of the ESL is seeing the world's best players facing each other more regularly. But if the players won't play ball, then how attractive would a new league full of reserves be? In general, I'd be interested to hear what FIFPro, the PFA, or individual players have to say about the whole thing, especially given how against it fans in general are.

What if they want to play in it ?

Jelle1880

I am now very curious about UEFA's meeting tomorrow. I think if they look at the reactions they will feel emboldened to come down hard on these clubs.

BorneTobyWilde

Morrison J wrote: »

They literally have to be kicked from the domestic league if the Super League happens. 6 teams at the top of the league all getting billions more in revenue over the other clubs. What's the point in the other clubs even trying? Hardly "game on".

Nothing would change, as huge gap as is. And teams will only ever be allowed to play 11 v 11
Not as if Sheffield United were ever going to win the premier league.

ACitizenErased

https://twitter.com/RobHarris/status/1383927881110228994?s=20

Oat23

DeanAustin wrote: »

The Premier League is no more about sporting integrity than the ESL. No one wants the big money pot to shrink even if the odds are stacked even more in favour of the big teams.

It's not really about the odds being stacked because of the different income levels and more about United resting players for a Sunday game away to Brighton because they have a big quarter final in Milan on the Wednesday.

Things like that cannot be allowed to happen. I understand a scenario like that is entirely possible as things stand, but it's different as there would be consequences to dropping points in that game away to Brighton at the minute. When the SL arrives it doesn't matter one bit if United win/lose/draw that match. It's meaningless. Winning means what, at the end of the season they might finish 1 place higher and earn £2m more in prize money? They won't care. The real competition, the only one that actually matters, is that midweek game in Milan.

Morrison J

Cookiemunster wrote: »

What billions? The word is its around $200-300m per club. Still admitedly a lot more than the get from the PL, but nowhere near billions.

3.5 billion is being thrown around. Presume that's between the clubs but still. It makes a mockery of the competitive balance of the Premier League if you let the top 6 keep their place in the league while getting that sort of revenue without even earning it.

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1383924141984604163?s=19

Cookiemunster

Oat23 wrote: »

It's not really about the odds being stacked because of the different income levels and more about United resting players for a Sunday game away to Brighton because they have a big quarter final in Milan on the Wednesday.

Things like that cannot be allowed to happen. I understand a scenario like that is entirely possible as things stand, but it's different as there would be consequences to dropping points in that game away to Brighton at the minute. When the SL arrives it doesn't matter one bit if United win/lose/draw that match. It's meaningless. Winning means what, at the end of the season they might finish 1 place higher and earn £2m more in prize money? They won't care. The real competition, the only one that actually matters, is that midweek game in Milan.

Things like that already happen. Teams have been resting players before big European ties for years.

Morrison J

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Nothing would change, as huge gap as is. And teams will only ever be allowed to play 11 v 11
Not as if Sheffield United were ever going to win the premier league.

Leicester literally only won it 5 years ago and are on course to make the champions league with West Ham. It would change a lot.

greendom

DeanAustin wrote: »

There's no game this week. If they suspend now, less than 2 hours after the ESL has been announced late on a Sunday night, it looks like they are giving it credibility and are running scared a bit. In my view, they should see what the next few days brings and make a decision then.

That's a fair point but how long would they get away with doing nothing? This is a serious threat to UEFA competition. I don't think doing nothing was an option.

Oat23

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Things like that already happen. Teams have been resting players before big European ties for years.

You should have read my entire post instead of just the first line and then replying.

NIMAN

I assume Barca "more than a club" are chasing the cash too?

Soups123

Morrison J wrote: »

They literally have to be kicked from the domestic league if the Super League happens. 6 teams at the top of the league all getting billions more in revenue over the other clubs. What's the point in the other clubs even trying? Hardly "game on".

Tbh I don’t think this would be the problem for the PL, these 6 teams become super teams, sign all the best players and compete for the PL title that still pulls in billions of viewers.

If they get to still make good money from this they’ll bend. They are all after the same thing

Zaph

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

What if they want to play in it ?

Maybe they will, and if so there's not much can be done about it, but equally maybe they don't and their opinions on it should be heard. Effectively their terms of employment are changing, and some may not be happy about that.

DeanAustin

greendom wrote: »

That's a fair point but how long would they get away with doing nothing? This is a serious threat to UEFA competition. I don't think doing nothing was an option.

Yeah they've got to respond but I don't think doing it so quickly on a Sunday night is a good look. Gives the breakaway clubs too much power. Looks like it's not true anyway.

Morrison J

nullzero wrote: »

They'll be instructed to say nothing or else.

Same bully boy tactics from their employers that their employers are using to start this Super league idea.

We'll see. Bielsa and Klopp interviews tomorrow will be very very interesting.

The PL will be like the league cup if this goes ahead. Micky mouse to the SL teams, with a lot of meaningless matches.

You could have a situation where teams in the SL are resting players in PL games. If you aren't in the running for the title, finishing anywhere above 18th will suffice.


SL teams have to be excluded from the PL the more I think about it.

It'll seriously harm the PL though. Money will flow out of it and it'll be a glorified Championship.

"The Founders".