European Super League - plans announced

namloc1980

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

When did United last play Real Madrid? Must be yonks ago, there is an issue that needs fixing, how you do that I dunno,
bigger groups in CL is an easy solution

Why does it need "fixing"?

y0ssar1an22

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

carra and neville are back, but is neville's poster saying must ****?

must work :pac:

y0ssar1an22

namloc1980 wrote: »

Why does it need "fixing"?

the new format they introduced is awful

Liamalone

Great to see the greedy six fall flat on their faces! Pretend 'clubs' not giving a monkeys about the fans or the game as a whole.

What a crazy couple of days, unbelievable Jeff.

namloc1980

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

the new format they introduced is awful

You didn't mention the format. You said Man U and Real head to head needed fixing? What you mean?

Royale with Cheese

Gary Neville could do with an interior decorator.

BorneTobyWilde

namloc1980 wrote: »

Why does it need "fixing"?

We'd all like to see big teams face off, what we don't want to see is no competition. There is a solution that makes sense for everyone.

Liamalone

Liamalone wrote: »

Great to see the greedy six fall flat on their faces! Pretend 'clubs' not giving a monkeys about the fans or the game as a whole.

What a crazy couple of days, unbelievable Jeff.

Pretend clubs? You wish!

Crazy few days alright. Glad it's almost over tbh!

TitianGerm

Liamalone wrote: »

Pretend 'clubs' not giving a monkeys about the fans or the game as a whole.

You're talking absolute bull**** there.

Clubs are made up of multiple parts from players, manager, fans, staff, grounds and owners etc. From all the information that came out over the last few days the only part that knew anything about the ESL is very top brass of the the clubs.

rob316

Absolute cretin neville is, saying we need a better breed of owner in the country. He owns a club backed by peter lim who owns valencia and put the squad up for sale in the last window.

y0ssar1an22

namloc1980 wrote: »

You didn't mention the format. You said Man U and Real head to head needed fixing? What you mean?

i jumped in on that.

i dont mind the current format, but the new format is god awful

namloc1980

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

i jumped in on that.

i dont mind the current format, but the new format is god awful

Still 4 years away before it starts. I'd give it a chance before writing it off completely.

y0ssar1an22

rob316 wrote: »

Absolute cretin neville is, saying we need a better breed of owner in the country. He owns a club backed by peter lim who owns valencia and put the squad up for sale in the last window.

neville is really angling to be on an official commission.

rob316

rob316 wrote: »

Absolute cretin neville is, saying we need a better breed of owner in the country. He owns a club backed by peter lim who owns valencia and put the squad up for sale in the last window.

Is he still calling for relegations I wonder

omega man

So now that football belongs to the people again when will the tv pay wall and match ticket pricing etc. be reviewed?

Agent Coulson

Neville wanting Ed's job.

The Golden Miller

What corporations and money men should take from this is that football clubs aren't simply some corporate business like any other. They have links and ties to the people, the one's who founded them, and exist because of the support of fans. Without them there is no product.

Sky and the Premier League have lectured us ad nauseam about football being the game of the working class and the history they have in their community's. Will they learn from this and give the game back to the people? Make fans own 51% of the clubs like Germany. Reduce ticket prices and subscriptions? No because they'll lose money. They'll never learn. They got the ball rolling to turn football into this commercial product. They should be held to account to practice what they preach

The Golden Miller

rob316 wrote: »

Absolute cretin neville is, saying we need a better breed of owner in the country. He owns a club backed by peter lim who owns valencia and put the squad up for sale in the last window.

Lim has sent Valenica back years

y0ssar1an22

namloc1980 wrote: »

Still 4 years away before it starts. I'd give it a chance before writing it off completely.

the same way the closed nature of the SL was eviscerated, you cant have teams competing in the same group who dont play against each other.

they're both as flawed as each other from a sporting integrity POV

rob316

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Lim has sent Valenica back years

Never been the same.

y0ssar1an22

are there not trustess of clubs the way there are of irish rugby clubs to ensure nothing bad happens? maybe thats the purview of amateur sport (not rugby, but local teams).

The Golden Miller

rob316 wrote: »

Never been the same.

Even under financial strain, they were still a prudent team, top 4 regular's, before he landed. Since he started meddling they've gone from bad to worse. Not just the team, behind the scene's the club is in absolute tatters

omega man

omega man wrote: »

So now that football belongs to the people again when will the tv pay wall and match ticket pricing etc. be reviewed?

Why would it.

Have broadcasters walked away from the game?

glenjamin

Fairly disgusting seeing Man City and Chelsea being applauded for withdrawing from the ESL. They are just as bad as the rest of the clubs involved, and I hope just because they pulled the plug earlier than the others that they aren't suddenly exempt from any punishment.

(Not like there will be any punishments. UEFA will crumble and will no doubt alter the CL further to appease the big clubs at the expense of others).

omega man

6 wrote: »

Why would it.

Have broadcasters walked away from the game?

I was being sarcastic. I keep hearing in the media that football belongs to the people.

y0ssar1an22

lallana out to do a post match interview on the game, their standing in the league.

dont like that he is bombarded with talk of the SL

extra gravy

https://twitter.com/sistoney67/status/1384624005571825664?s=19

It's done.

wanderer100

That's that, it's over

For Forks Sake

Perez in his "meeting" with the other clubs this evening.

The Golden Miller

Big up to Wimbledon FC in all of this. The club who actually was destroyed by corporate greed. The FA should now finally do the right thing and revoke the word Dons in "MK's" name

Liamalone

Liamalone wrote: »

Great to see the greedy six fall flat on their faces! Pretend 'clubs' not giving a monkeys about the fans or the game as a whole.

What a crazy couple of days, unbelievable Jeff.

Back to talking again about fecking covid now

Speak Now

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

28 teams in CL as it, with 7 groups of 4 . it takes 13 games to win the CL currently.

Why not have two groups of 14/ One leg games, that's 13 games in the group stage , with many big teams facing off, then the two group winners play the final.

Seems simple to sort the problem of some teams going a decade without facing each other.

32 teams.

awec

All of the clubs involved in this should be banned from all European competition next season. Those still in this years competitions booted out.

There is no sense at all in letting them away with what they just attempted.

Esse85

Souness saying the 6 clubs shouldn't be punished, is he for real? If Liverpool weren't involved he'd be throwing these teams to the sharks. Absolute hypocrite.

Esse85

awec wrote: »

All of the clubs involved in this should be banned from all European competition next season. Those still in this years competitions booted out.

There is no sense at all in letting them away with what they just attempted.

Points deduction is a better form of punishment.

Richard Hillman

So the Super League has gone away this time, we all know its just a matter if time though. It will happen.


What still needs to be addressed, and what Florentino Perez was on about last night is that young people are not into football as much anymore. They are not watching it or going to games. Costs are one thing but the entertainment market is so vast now that watching a football match for 2 hours is a chore. Even for adults, people are not watching games anymore. The TV is on but as soon as the match kicks off were on our phones.

Another problem that football will now face is that when everything is back to normal, there will be a lot of people not renewing season tickets. People have had another year of finding other things to do instead of going to games. The vast majority will keep their season tickets but sales definitely won't be going up.

People are generally turning off football. People are invested in the drama of football but the 90 minute game itself is a drag. The only game I watched intently recently was PSG and Bayern. I have no interest in Man Utd v Burnley. I didn't watch Chelsea v Brighton or Liverpool v Leeds.

Its not just the lack of fans in the ground, I'm just finding it hard to justify watching a football match for 2 hours after a long spell of finding more rewarding ways to occupy myself. I ain't the only one.

namloc1980

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

28 teams in CL as it, with 7 groups of 4 . it takes 13 games to win the CL currently.

Why not have two groups of 14/ One leg games, that's 13 games in the group stage , with many big teams facing off, then the two group winners play the final.

Seems simple to sort the problem of some teams going a decade without facing each other.

It's not a problem.

dor83

The Milan ultras group, Curva Sud, released a statement that sums the whole thing up very well.

“Honestly, it makes us laugh to see all those people in the control room of football suddenly claim we fans are first and foremost.

“The Super League is just the latest in a long line of innumerable manoeuvres over decades that has made football into a business.

“The birth of this new competition would certainly be another shove to the football of old, which is by now a distant memory, and will inevitably obscure the tradition of the various national leagues, robbing football of the undeniable principle of sporting meritocracy.

“But the thing that most leaves us indignant is the hypocrisy of all those who contributed to making this sport nothing but a business, those who today stand up in name of the fans, but only because they saw their remunerative and seemingly untouchable project fall apart.

“Football did belong to the people until the 1990s, when the Champions League was born, destroying the old European Cup. From that moment, an unbreachable chasm has been created between the big and small clubs.

“Football did belong to the people even when nobody lifted a finger to stop the increase of ticket prices that was imposed by some Presidents.

“Football did belong to the people even when nobody stepped in to stop the rise of the super agents, who took player salaries to ever more astronomical figures, which could only be sustained with TV rights, the same TV companies that imposed increasingly chaotic fixture lists, with games on improbable days and kick-off times.

“Football did belong to the people even when rules were imposed to stop any rapport between the players and the fans.

“Football did belong to the people even when Supercoppa Finals were played on other continents or the dates of some games were changed a few days before kick-off, damaging those fans who had booked trains or planes to get to the stadium.

“Football did belong to the people even when some clubs were allowed to circumvent Financial Fair Play, while others with less influential Presidents were penalised.

“Football did belong to the people even when the World Cup was forced to Qatar in 2022, despite moving the entire calendar and disregarding human rights violations.

“We could list numerous other examples to show the absolute hypocrisy of the words we’re hearing from the football chiefs over the last 48 hours.

“The Super League is just the latest disgusting step, but those who took football to this point are no less grotesque, so save us these ludicrous performances of rhetoric and morality.

“Now that the money is running out, feel free to fight it out between yourselves, but don’t you dare name the fans. PIGS!”

rob316

Liverpool and arsenal have made statement

BorneTobyWilde

https://twitter.com/MelissaReddy_/status/1384626863763492865

wanderer100

awec wrote: »

All of the clubs involved in this should be banned from all European competition next season. Those still in this years competitions booted out.

There is no sense at all in letting them away with what they just attempted.

I agree there should be repercussions but why should the players, managers and most importantly the fans who've had absolutely nothing to do with any of this have to suffer because of the wrongdoing & greed of the owners

McFly85

As fitting as it would be to ban them, they’d all immediately appeal anyway and probably get it overturned by CAS.

It’s a shame, it would be fascinating to see a CL without those 12, even just to see how missed they actually are.

namloc1980

United have made a statement. They are officially out too.

Spurs still in?

Degag

Hysteria over on SSN at the moment. The male presenter pretty close to lost his voice.

hold my beer

awec wrote: »

All of the clubs involved in this should be banned from all European competition next season. Those still in this years competitions booted out.

There is no sense at all in letting them away with what they just attempted.

If they signed contracts, at the very least they should be docked points in the PL and fined.

BorneTobyWilde

You'd expect Ole to condemn it when everyone has pulled out already. Total cop out after the game on Sunday from him.

namloc1980

6 wrote: »

Spurs still in?

Out too. All six are officially out. It's over but what a farce!!

Agent Coulson

This is the best thing to happen for Sky Sports in years.

namloc1980

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

You'd expect Ole to condemn it when everyone has pulled out already. Total cop out after the game on Sunday from him.

In fairness the news had just been broken during the game.