European Super League - plans announced

rob316

fergiesfolly wrote: »

Once UEFA threatened to ban players in breakaway clubs from their national sides, this was dead in the water.
I can imagine the response Kane, Pogba, DeBruyne etc will give when they're told they won't be playing the Euros or World Cup.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's clauses in their contracts they can exploit if their clubs break away.

It's an empty threat though, what do uefa have to gain by banning the best players in the world from their competition?

Royale with Cheese

I don't think this is a good idea or support it in any way. I do think a European Super League is inevitable though, it just depends how long it takes but it's going to happen eventually.

There are already a handful of top European clubs that have control of the major European leagues, it's basically already a closed shop. The only hope of a new club rising to the top of European football is via a new billionaire owner. Most of the damage Gary Neville is talking about here has already been done... Sky having a fairly large hand in that too.

ziggyman17

Where was Neville when the Glazers put Utd 500 million in debt, I did not here him speak out then, but now he is talking out because his big pay job at Sky might become redundant, and the gas thing is that he is a smaller version of the Glazers with Salford buying their way up the bottom leagues, he is a hypocrite........

Oat23

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Surprised PSG turned down the invite.

Their chairman is the head of beIN who pay massive amounts of money to broadcast the CL in the Middle East and France. He's also a member of that UEFA executive committee that Delaney used to be on.

Purely looking out for his own interests but PSG will likely join later on.

As for Bayern and Dortmund there would be war in Bavaria/Dortmund if they were involved. The bosses would be forced out of the club and they know it.

theoneeyedman

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Surprised PSG turned down the invite.

Qatar World Cup in the background, they are not getting involved incase it takes off and players are banned it the WC is effected in any way.

Chong

I was thinking surely if they boot them out of the EPL, youth players are affected too and they will no longer be able to compete as part of the FA structure.

Big Ears

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Should the same not have happened when the top clubs in England formed a breakaway league 30 years ago?

That breakaway happened to involve all of the clubs who would have been involved in next season's First Division and also had promotion and relegation from the Football League.

It's not a like for like comparison !

Morrison J

rob316 wrote: »

That's an idealistic view point. The threat of this league was on the table, they rolled the dice and now the whole of football is in a poker game.

So you're taking a stance that the smaller clubs have to take a lot of blame here? Yeah I can't get onboard with that one.

Greed of the big clubs is all this is in both situations and they shouldn't be allowed win out either way. Glad the smaller clubs aren't being bullied.

TheCitizen

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Should the same not have happened when the top clubs in England formed a breakaway league 30 years ago?

This is totally different. This is a proposal to break away from the pyramid structure of football. No relegation or promotion. A closed shop, invited in if you're rich enough.

extra gravy

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Surprised PSG turned down the invite.

They're not going to burn bridges with the organisation that helped them get around FFP rules.

thebaz

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Surprised PSG turned down the invite.

IF it happens, I would expect PSG to sign -

Possibly Ajax , or Porto or even Celtic too ?

con___manx1

This is rich against poor. I'm a man u fan. If this goes ahead I'm not supporting them anymore.
I hate the glazers. Dumb American idiots.

Benimar

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Should the same not have happened when the top clubs in England formed a breakaway league 30 years ago?

The breakaway league bit is overstated. Yes clubs in the PL got more power and better TV contracts, but the league contained the same 22 teams as would have been in the 1st division if there was no breakaway. No club was kicked out or invited in because they were or weren’t a ‘big’ club.

There is also a route into the PL for any club with promotion/relegation.

Guy:Incognito

TheCitizen wrote: »

. A closed shop, invited in if you're rich enough.

You have to be invited to the premier League. They could close it tomorrow if they wanted.

Drumpot

thebaz wrote: »

IF it happens, I would expect PSG to sign -

Possibly Ajax , or Porto or even Celtic too ?

They will enter the European super championship

Morrison J

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

There are already a handful of top European clubs that have control of the major European leagues, it's basically already a closed shop. The only hope of a new club rising to the top of European football is via a new billionaire owner. Most of the damage Gary Neville is talking about here has already been done... Sky having a fairly large hand in that too.

The fact there's even a "big 6" in England makes this statement not really true though no? Leicester have won the league the right way. West Ham look like they could make the top 4. Leeds seem like they're trending the right way.

If anything this is a move to save that closed shop. Likes of Arsenal are clearly feeling the threat of these well run clubs that are breaking into the top 6.

Harry Palmr

DAZN are involved with this which raises the prospect of a major competition/league being distributed and shown live by IPTV in major western markets. This is what Sky will be afraid of no point in trying to get CL rights back, a PL shorn of its primary assets. Why subscribe? Thier whole business model could be damaged and the wider Sky operation under pressure as income falls dramatically.

Chong

This technically doesn't need approval from FIFA or UEFA right? Is it allowable to have a rival footballing federation?

Big Ears

rob316 wrote: »

It's an empty threat though, what do uefa have to gain by banning the best players in the world from their competition?

Perhaps some of those best players won't leave as a result, protecting the standard of UEFA competitions.

If this Super League doesn't end up attracting the World's best players it'll be dead in the water within a few years, so it's certainly in UEFA's best interests to try and keep the World's best player out of it.

Guy:Incognito

Chong wrote: »

This technically doesn't need approval from FIFA or UEFA right? Is it allowable to have a rival footballing federation?

Yeah. There's nothing stopping anyone setting one up. The only issue comes if you want to compete in another federation's competitions or with their teams

bennyl10

Chong wrote: »

This technically doesn't need approval from FIFA or UEFA right? Is it allowable to have a rival footballing federation?

Yes, but teams would need to leave the national leagues

Chong

bennyl10 wrote: »

Yes, but teams would need to leave the national leagues

Stupid question do FIFA have the rights over the game itself? As in terminology, rules etc?

SlickRic

The White Wolf wrote: »

How do Clubs expect to square this with not only their own fanbase, but as a PR exercise as a whole because it reads like a disaster.

I can only hope that as another poster pointed out that it's not going to go ahead and is only be used as some kind of negotiating tool.

They don't care.

This is just a plan to try and get investors in the biggest clubs in Europe a big financial return. All using massive loans from banks.

Fans are just customers. They have been for many years. This is just a natural extension of it.

TheadoreT

The imbalance of money would be even more crazily weighted to these sides if this went ahead. I'd say every side competing would have basically 2 sides each in their squads of all the best players in the world. You'd have so many world class players never getting on the pitch and just filling squads. Who'd want to be left stranded at a side outside this competition

BorneTobyWilde

Uefa too are only money grabbing by trying to prevent a Super League, need to remember that.

eigrod

martyos121 wrote: »

Not often I find myself agreeing with Gary Neville, but everything he’s just said on Sky Sports is spot on, and I’m delighted to hear established names involved with the clubs signed up to this coming out and condemning it.

“A criminal act against the fans”.

100% accurate. Hopefully he’s the first of many to speak so openly about it.

Of course once Sky Sports get into the bidding war for TV rights to the new super league, you won’t hear another word against it.

Rings hollow with him with a big mic with Sky Sports emblazoned all over it and them being his employer. The PL, Sky, BT and the owners of the big money clubs all bear considerable responsibility for this.

Beechwoodspark

Be some craic if uefa issue a response

All involved clubs fined 500 million
All involved clubs relegated to 3rd division
All players and staff who take part in new proposed competition banned for life from uefa affiliated teams.

Put the cat among the pigeons

TheCitizen

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

You have to be invited to the premier League. They could close it tomorrow if they wanted.

what are you talking about?

Guy:Incognito

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Be some craic if uefa issue a response

All involved clubs fined 500 million
All involved clubs relegated to 3rd division
All players and staff who take part in new proposed competition banned for life from uefa affiliated teams.

Put the cat among the pigeons

If this goes ahead they wouldn't be competing in uefa competition anymore so they can't really fine them.

Uefa don't have the power to relegate teams in their domestic league.

marklazarcovic

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Uefa too are only money grabbing by trying to prevent a Super League, need to remember that.

It's only about money,from both sides of the argument,var has ruined football more than this will.

BorneTobyWilde

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Be some craic if uefa issue a response

All involved clubs fined 500 million
All involved clubs relegated to 3rd division
All players and staff who take part in new proposed competition banned for life from uefa affiliated teams.

Put the cat among the pigeons

That would only confirm what the clubs who signed up for the SL are claiming, that uefa have too much power and control over clubs they have nothing to do with.

Guy:Incognito

TheCitizen wrote: »

what are you talking about?

The premier League decides who they elect to the league. Its a courtesy that it's the top 2 in the championships plus the play off winners.

Same way they could decide that from now on the teams in 11th, 12th, 13th and 14th are being sent forward to the champions League of they want.

The pl broke away from the fa. Its a separate entity.

Richard Hillman

The important questions are

Will the clubs fill their stadiums every week?
Will the global audience buy subscriptions?
Will private companies sponsor the competition?
Will the elite footballers stay or join the 12 for increased wages?

The first one may not happen but they will still get big numbers. The answer is yes to the other 3 and we all know it.

alchemist33

Chong wrote: »

Stupid question do FIFA have the rights over the game itself? As in terminology, rules etc?

Yes, because everyone has signed up to the FIFA version of football.

But if someone outside that system sets up their own league they can call it whatever they want, abolish offsides, have a mandatory woman on each team etc. Its analagous to american football where the NFL is king but there are smaller leagues with their own slightly different rules, but they never get too popular as the NFL is so big and the best players stay in the NFL for fame and fortune.

TheCitizen

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Be some craic if uefa issue a response

All involved clubs fined 500 million
All involved clubs relegated to 3rd division
All players and staff who take part in new proposed competition banned for life from uefa affiliated teams.

Put the cat among the pigeons

It's obviously a ploy to get more money and control. Make sure it backfires on them.

Neville is right punish them severely for it. Relegate the 3 in Italy and Spain. In England relegate the 6 of them, replace them with the top 5 from the championship and another one via the play off. Absolutely hammer them as hard as possible, and if they don't like it let them off and set up their own league.

sabat

Playing devil's advocate here, what if Dublin got a team and the use of Croke Park over the winter months with the likes of Munich and Barcelona coming over every fortnight? Would you boycott it?

RoryMac

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The premier League decides who they elect to the league. Its a courtesy that it's the top 2 in the championships plus the play off winners.

Same way they could decide that from now on the teams in 11th, 12th, 13th and 14th are being sent forward to the champions League of they want.

The pl broke away from the fa. Its a separate entity.

Yes but they do invite the club's to join every year without fail, this sh!tshow won't unless you're rich enough to buy your way or maybe buy one of clubs already in

Richard Hillman

sabat wrote: »

Playing devil's advocate here, what if Dublin got a team and the use of Croke Park over the winter months with the likes of Munich and Barcelona coming over every fortnight? Would you boycott it?

I'll be buying a season ticket.

I reckon they will have a UAE Team, maybe Qatar and the Saudis will be dieing get involved. I won't be watching **** if the Saudis are in it.

howiya

sabat wrote: »

Playing devil's advocate here, what if Dublin got a team and the use of Croke Park over the winter months with the likes of Munich and Barcelona coming over every fortnight? Would you boycott it?

Yes. I’d have zero interest

Guy:Incognito

RoryMac wrote: »

Yes but they do invite the club's to join every year without fail, this sh!tshow won't unless you're rich enough to buy your way or maybe buy one of clubs already in

I know that but this started in response to a post about the pl being different whereas the reality is if the 20 clubs decide they don't want anyone else in the club anymore they could.

RoryMac

sabat wrote: »

Playing devil's advocate here, what if Dublin got a team and the use of Croke Park over the winter months with the likes of Munich and Barcelona coming over every fortnight? Would you boycott it?

Yes

howiya

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I know that but this started in response to a post about the pl being different whereas the reality is if the 20 clubs decide they don't want anyone else in the club anymore they could.

The Spanish have some sort of say in whether the promoted club can come up. I remember there being a fuss about Eibar a few years ago

RoryMac

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I know that but this started in response to a post about the pl being different whereas the reality is if the 20 clubs decide they don't want anyone else in the club anymore they could.

They could but they don't and have never suggested they ever will so I don't see the similarities

TheCitizen

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The premier League decides who they elect to the league. Its a courtesy that it's the top 2 in the championships plus the play off winners.

Same way they could decide that from now on the teams in 11th, 12th, 13th and 14th are being sent forward to the champions League of they want.

The pl broke away from the fa. Its a separate entity.

A courtesy or not. It's what happens. There is relegation out of it and promotion into it.

TheCitizen

RoryMac wrote: »

They could but they don't and have never suggested they ever will so I don't see the similarities

Completely moot point by that poster.

sabat

howiya wrote: »

Yes. I’d have zero interest

Even with super hot cheerleaders and nachos with cheese delivered to your seat?

TheadoreT

sabat wrote: »

Playing devil's advocate here, what if Dublin got a team and the use of Croke Park over the winter months with the likes of Munich and Barcelona coming over every fortnight? Would you boycott it?

Move the Man City franchise to Dublin, more millionaires here than Manchester who will pay 250 quid per game for a standard seat. Makes financial sense.

TheadoreT

Move Liverpool franchise to Baku, your average working class liverpudlian won't be able to afford these games.

Guy:Incognito

TheCitizen wrote: »

Completely moot point by that poster.

It isn't at all. The pl is open at the behest of its members. If they (or whatever majority of them that's needed)decide that the best way to protect themselves and their income is to do away with promotion and relegation then the can just do it.


An English super League if you will.......

howiya

sabat wrote: »

Even with super hot cheerleaders and nachos with cheese delivered to your seat?

No thanks