European Super League - plans announced

brevity

brevity wrote: »

Amazon will get rights I’d say.

Their coverage was top notch I must say.

Panrich

thebaz wrote: »

Where is it the press conference been streamed to ??

It's on Sky PPV.

DeanAustin

lawred2 wrote: »

Spurs? Fu(king Spurs!?

Over a century of being also rans.

Games gone Jeff

It's only the last 20 years that Chelsea have passed us out and the last 10 that City have. Spurs were a much bigger club than either for a lot of that century you talk about.

Richard Hillman

lawred2 wrote: »

Spurs? Fu(king Spurs!?

Over a century of being also rans.

Games gone Jeff

Right place at the right time. If it were 20 years ago it would be the likes of Valencia instead of Atletico, Leeds instead of City. Lazio and Roma would have been there instead of Spurs and Chelsea. Deportivo La Coruna may have been in with a shout.

thebaz

Panrich wrote: »

It's on Sky PPV.

dont have it , but ther has been no official announcement anywhere (free) . Im still suspicious .

lawred2

DeanAustin wrote: »

It's only the last 20 years that Chelsea have passed us out and the last 10 that City have. Spurs were a much bigger club than either for a lot of that century you talk about.

Yerra by that that logic, they should have looked at inviting Everton.

Wonder will you still be saying "us" if this thing actually happens!?

lawred2

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Right place at the right time. If it were 20 years ago it would be the likes of Valencia instead of Atletico, Leeds instead of City. Lazio and Roma would have been there instead of Spurs and Chelsea. Deportivo La Coruna may have been in with a shout.

Doesn't that highlight the moral bankruptcy that is a closed shop with no promotion/relegation?

CrabRevolution

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Right place at the right time. If it were 20 years ago it would be the likes of Valencia instead of Atletico, Leeds instead of City. Lazio and Roma would have been there instead of Spurs and Chelsea. Deportivo La Coruna may have been in with a shout.

That's another wrong of the new plan; they want to perpetually lock in massive earnings and a seat at the top table for a select few clubs, based solely on their finances in the 2010s.

I know this has been happening "organically" for the last few years anyway with more and more money and trophies going to a smaller and smaller number of clubs, and the deck being stacked in their favour, but at least in theory a widely held principle of sport remained; it didn't matter what your history was, at the start of each season you had the same amount of points as everyone else in your league and could suffer the same consequences as everyone else if your results were poor enough.

Now though it's proposed that because of their strong performance in the 2010s, they are except from any sporting consequences for all eternity.

ACitizenErased

BREAKING
https://twitter.com/MarcelFCBbut2/status/1383820914949705747?s=20

MisterAnarchy

A game of poker between the big clubs and Uefa to see who will blink first.

Big clubs flexing their muscles and trying to get a bigger cut of the pie.

I don't believe this Super League is in any way a realistic option.

lawred2

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

A game of poker between the big clubs and Uefa to see who will blink first.

Big clubs flexing their muscles and trying to get a bigger cut of the pie.

I don't believe this Super League is in any way a realistic option.

These plans seem to be getting refloated on a much more frequent basis..

DeanAustin

lawred2 wrote: »

Yerra by that that logic, they should have looked at inviting Everton.

Wonder will you still be saying "us" if this thing actually happens!?

Well to answer your original question, spurs are in because they've been top 6 in England for pretty much the last 15 years now.

Dunno. Be interested to see the plan. On the face of it, I'm not too keen. Feels a step too far in the greed stakes.

thebaz

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

A game of poker between the big clubs and Uefa to see who will blink first.

Big clubs flexing their muscles and trying to get a bigger cut of the pie.

I don't believe this Super League is in any way a realistic option.

20 years ago ther was lots of internet rumours about a Super league , Villa and Newcastle were in the mix , nothing happened.

This has more leggs, but seams odd to comeout the night before UIEFA anouncement of new CL format.
And one hour later no official news. Im done.

ACitizenErased

No statement? Was originally 9:30 then I saw 10:30 yet there's zilch

Deise_2012

They’ve bottled it

Harry Palmr

Fax machine is broken.

Guy:Incognito

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Fax machine is broken.

If they dont get it in before 11 is it cancelled?

Salvation Tambourine

If it's just a proposal to start their own European Cup/Champions League will football have regained it's soul?

I love the Champions League and wouldn't change the way it is but is there a chance that everyone has massively over reacted here before the statement has been released?

namloc1980

ACitizenErased wrote: »

No statement? Was originally 9:30 then I saw 10:30 yet there's zilch

Seems the 9.30 was in relation to the ECA statement not the announcement of the Super League. Sunday night at 9.30 would've been a bit of a strange time to announce such a thing.

Guy:Incognito

Nokotan wrote: »

I love the Champions League and wouldn't change the way it is

I have some bad news for you.............

thebaz

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Fax machine is broken.

all thats missing is Harry talking from his car window and Jim White having a deadline day meltdown - media circus I think

Salvation Tambourine

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I have some bad news for you.............

Don't say Swiss model...don't say Swiss model...

Leroy42

Ah come on now

People were saying PL would be death of football. Expanded CL. Utd going to WCC instead of FA Cup was the end.

Football is an entertainment business . Covid has proved it can be played without fans, so just home fans seems reasonable.

Supporters, especially those not dedicated to purely one club, will match the biggest matches.

And sponsors will pay to be involved.

There is no promotion or relegation in NFL and its the biggest sports franchise in the world.

For any of these clubs, relegation isn't a thing, except they hear it happens.

bennyl10

namloc1980 wrote: »

Send the 9.30 was in relation to the ECA statement not the announcement of the Super League. Sunday night at 9.30 would've been a bit of a strange time to announce such a thing.

This actually makes sense with how tonight has played out

Wonder will we hear from the clubs in the morning

pjohnson

thebaz wrote: »

all thats missing is Harry talking from his car window and Jim White having a deadline day meltdown - media circus I think

Peter Odemwingie driving to the Britannia Stadium.

Weepsie

Leroy42 wrote: »

Ah come on now

People were saying PL would be death of football. Expanded CL. Utd going to WCC instead of FA Cup was the end.

Football is an entertainment business . Covid has proved it can be played without fans, so just home fans seems reasonable.

Supporters, especially those not dedicated to purely one club, will match the biggest matches.

And sponsors will pay to be involved.

There is no promotion or relegation in NFL and its the biggest sports franchise in the world.

For any of these clubs, relegation isn't a thing, except they hear it happens.

Yup but the NFL doesn't have the same deep rooted tribalism that is brought by a simple thing such as geography that football has.

NFL teams move, when better offers come along. It's huge because it has its own massive home market to sell to and is entirely insular. There is a reason to tank too, there with the draft. What if team is like the browns in this and they can't try and draft their way out of it? They're now going abroad more often and talking about having a London franchise and all sorts? But why. It's also kind of a niche sport compared to football in terms of sheer numbers of professional players.




UK home office could possibly have a say too and simply deny work permits to players if their teams are not in the league. Probably wouldn't, but it's a threat they can easily make

namloc1980

Leroy42 wrote: »

Ah come on now

People were saying PL would be death of football. Expanded CL. Utd going to WCC instead of FA Cup was the end.

Football is an entertainment business . Covid has proved it can be played without fans, so just home fans seems reasonable.

Supporters, especially those not dedicated to purely one club, will match the biggest matches.

And sponsors will pay to be involved.

There is no promotion or relegation in NFL and its the biggest sports franchise in the world.

For any of these clubs, relegation isn't a thing, except they hear it happens.

The Premier League has always been part of the English football pyramid. We've seen plenty of examples of clubs rising through the pyramid to the PL. The Champions League is open to every country in Europe.

This proposal is closed competition of the biggest clubs outside existing national and UEFA structures. That's a completely different ballgame.

nullzero

The hilarious thing about the reaction of the Premier league and UEFA is that they have created this situation over the last three decades themselves. UEFA in particular. They have made the sport into an intrinsically elitist entity, allowed it to metastasize into what it is today, it's already a hop skip and a jump from this super league idea.

Look at the supposed top leagues in Europe, Italy, Juventus have won the league every year for so long it's ridiculous, same with France, PSG have it seen up every year, Spain is a duopoly occasionally interrupted by the likes of athletico and Germany is so dominated by Bayern (who strangely oppose the super league, probably because they'd be the smallest fish in that big pond, so don't for a moment be fooled into thinking they're opposed to it for altruistic reasons) it's comical.

The complete and utter failure of FFP in particular has led to this situation, big money owners do as they please, look at City getting away with everything over the last few years. FFP had no teeth and now the scumbag owners see an opportunity to do away with any over sight.

The whole idea of a Super League stinks and it should never be allowed never materialize as with any luck these greedy swines will begin to face backlash beyond what they felt was possible but this needs to be a wake up call to how the sport should be governed going forward. Caps on spending, wages etc need to be introduced. Football is like the wild West, the money being thrown around is not sustainable and it's high time this changed.

Jesus, we nearly saw Newcastle get taken over by the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia last summer. You could be guaranteed they'd have their name in the hat for this had that happened.

Yet another example of why these club owners should be made answerable before they purchase clubs as playthings. The sport needs proper governance, this is the wake up call.

Fr Tod Umptious

Leroy42 wrote: »

Ah come on now

People were saying PL would be death of football. Expanded CL. Utd going to WCC instead of FA Cup was the end.

Football is an entertainment business . Covid has proved it can be played without fans, so just home fans seems reasonable.

Supporters, especially those not dedicated to purely one club, will match the biggest matches.

And sponsors will pay to be involved.

There is no promotion or relegation in NFL and its the biggest sports franchise in the world.

For any of these clubs, relegation isn't a thing, except they hear it happens.

This, a million times over.

It's entertainment,cand a European Super League will be entertainment.

Why are people so defensive about promotion and relegation anyway ?
Because it's been around for 120+years ?

In all honesty do the likes of Fulham, Sheffield Utd, Hull, Wigan, Derby, Middlesborough really add anything to the league ?

Wouldn't it be better if you had a competitive league rather than cannon fodder going up and down every year.

It has done the NFL no harm.

Harry Palmr

The PL was created for the cash (ironically with the help of Greg Dyke at ITV), they knew SKY was coming with a massive cheque and that TV deals would transform their fortunes.

Guy:Incognito

namloc1980 wrote: »

That's a completely different ballgame.

Would you say its a whole new ball game?

drkpower

It’s the ‘no possibility of relegation’ for the chosen few which is the objectionable bit.

nullzero

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

This, a million times over.

It's entertainment,cand a European Super League will be entertainment.

The thrill of playing a big club in Europe once a season will be lost. It will become mundane, the entertainment will be short lived.

Essentially, if we look at how European football has progressed in recent times, we'll likely see one club dominating every year most likely Real Madrid.

So I hope you're looking forward to watching that year in year out.

Red Silurian

Nokotan wrote: »

Don't say Swiss model...don't say Swiss model...

Can anybody explain why it's called the Swiss model?

Weepsie

nullzero wrote: »

The hilarious thing about the reaction of the Premier league and UEFA is that they have created this situation over the last three decades themselves. UEFA in particular. They have made the sport into an intrinsically elitist entity, allowed it to metastasize into what it is today, it's already a hop skip and a jump from this super league idea.

Look at the supposed top leagues in Europe, Italy, Juventus have won the league every year for so long it's ridiculous, same with France, PSG have it seen up every year, Spain is a duopoly occasionally interrupted by the likes of athletico and Germany is so dominated by Bayern (who strangely oppose the super league, probably because they'd be the smallest fish in that big pond, so don't for a moment be fooled into thinking they're opposed to it for altruistic reasons) it's comical.

The complete and utter failure of FFP in particular has led to this situation, big money owners do as they please, look at City getting away with everything over the last few years. FFP had no teeth and now the scumbag owners see an opportunity to do away with any over sight.

The whole idea of a Super League stinks and it should never be allowed never materialize as with any luck these greedy swines will begin to face backlash beyond what they felt was possible but this needs to be a wake up call to how the sport should be governed going forward. Caps on spending, wages etc need to be introduced. Football is like the wild West, the money being thrown around is not sustainable and it's high time this changed.

Jesus, we nearly saw Newcastle get taken over by the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia last summer. You could be guaranteed they'd have their name in the hat for this had that happened.

Yet another example of why these club owners should be made answerable before they purchase clubs as playthings. The sport needs proper governance, this is the wake up call.

FFP was nonsense from the outset anyway and just served to protect Real, Man Utd et Al's place at the top table and made it harder for anyone investing in a club to do compete.


It's the traditional powerhouses, and not the new money clubs that have played the larger role in going down this road. They got a whiff of the money it could all bring in the 90s and don't want to share the profits.

If they end up being the last few clubs going I wouldnt be watching them

RoryMac

Announcement due any minute according to Stan

https://twitter.com/StanCollymore/status/1383905666671079428?s=19

irishguitarlad

I wont be watching it but a lot of idiots will I'd say.

nullzero

On another note, can you imagine for much of would cost to buy a ticket to a game?

Morrison J

News editor for the Guardian..

https://twitter.com/ed_aarons/status/1383904456463421448?s=20

Guy:Incognito

Red Silurian wrote: »

Can anybody explain why it's called the Swiss model?

Its full of holes.

ACitizenErased

Statement's out according to AFP, trying to find it

lawred2

irishguitarlad wrote: »

I wont be watching it but a lot of idiots will I'd say.

Can be sure of it

ACitizenErased

https://twitter.com/LDNFootbalI/status/1383906699300376582?s=20

Red Silurian

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Its full of holes.

That's brilliant

pjohnson

nullzero wrote: »

The thrill of playing a big club in Europe once a season will be lost. It will become mundane, the entertainment will be short lived.

Essentially, if we look at how European football has progressed in recent times, we'll likely see one club dominating every year most likely Real Madrid.

So I hope you're looking forward to watching that year in year out.

Thats why comparisons to NBA/NFL are worthless.

Morrison J

https://twitter.com/sistoney67/status/1383906729386074113?s=20

ACitizenErased

Here's the full thing
https://twitter.com/RobHarris/status/1383907017908047875?s=20

lawred2

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/LDNFootbalI/status/1383906699300376582?s=20

Not sure what that's supposed to be. Looks like something from word on a Windows 95 machine

Some crap clipart and times New Roman

brevity

Holy ****

Fr Tod Umptious

nullzero wrote: »

The thrill of playing a big club in Europe once a season will be lost. It will become mundane, the entertainment will be short lived.

Essentially, if we look at how European football has progressed in recent times, we'll likely see one club dominating every year most likely Real Madrid.

So I hope you're looking forward to watching that year in year out.

But who gets this so called trill of playing a big club in Europe once a season.

The way I see it the UCL is dominated by the same clubs every year.