Dog costs

em_cat

Sorry, read back after posting...

em_cat

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

vet thinks it is the wet grass...I know, a shepherd with a grass allergy...crazy.


but even she ,and the other vet in the same practice cannot be sure. It is disheartening as you dont want them sufferring or irritated.

I know and allergies are PIA in both humans & animals...Ask the vet for Apoquel, it’s expensive, but given short time and has worked worked wonders....IMO the Surlan and the fungicidal washes are so temporary and don’t help to treat the cause.

Justin Credible Darts

em_cat wrote: »

I know and allergies are PIA in both humans & animals...Ask the vet for Apoquel, it’s expensive, but given short time and has worked worked wonders....IMO the Surlan and the fungicidal washes are so temporary and don’t help to treat the cause.

Will ask Wednesday...or will get the wife to ask as she is taking him

bertiebomber

em_cat wrote: »

I know and allergies are PIA in both humans & animals...Ask the vet for Apoquel, it’s expensive, but given short time and has worked worked wonders....IMO the Surlan and the fungicidal washes are so temporary and don’t help to treat the cause.

I used the Apoquel i got the vet to do scrapings and blood tests and left him in there till they had answers but they could not find anything specific just said he was sensitive and i have tried so many things. The malesab i do fortnightly when he begins to scratch and it gives him good relief i massage it into the base of ear and then use gamagee to clean out the wax. He just produces a lot of wax and thats his issue so i will just soldier on with him hes is a lovely dog and worth the efforts.

Justin Credible Darts

bertiebomber wrote: »

I used the Apoquel i got the vet to do scrapings and blood tests and left him in there till they had answers but they could not find anything specific just said he was sensitive and i have tried so many things. The malesab i do fortnightly when he begins to scratch and it gives him good relief i massage it into the base of ear and then use gamagee to clean out the wax. He just produces a lot of wax and thats his issue so i will just soldier on with him hes is a lovely dog and worth the efforts.

same here. cannot find anything specific, and like yourself contantly cleaning out his ears, likewise my fella has a heap of wax.



After cleaning, my wife something uses coconut oil to sooth his ear, which he seems to enjoy

em_cat

bertiebomber wrote: »

I used the Apoquel i got the vet to do scrapings and blood tests and left him in there till they had answers but they could not find anything specific just said he was sensitive and i have tried so many things. The malesab i do fortnightly when he begins to scratch and it gives him good relief i massage it into the base of ear and then use gamagee to clean out the wax. He just produces a lot of wax and thats his issue so i will just soldier on with him hes is a lovely dog and worth the efforts.

I suspected your GSD possibly had other issues, not necessarily allergy related...he’s a lucky thing to have you

em_cat

On the ear wax thing, we’ve a guinea pig with the ear wax thing & do the same we clean with the coconut oil, it’s great helping to dissolve the wax.

Rubberchikken

Fit depends on a lot of things but to us cost has never entered our minds.
We choose to get our dogs so everything else is up to us.

Our first dog lived to 28, a corgi, and I could count on one hand the amount of times he visited the vet outside of his yearly vaccinations.
Our second little fella, a jack russell cross, was as healthy as you could get too. Vaccinations and 2 visits to vet in 14 years, one for the snip and the second for conjunctivitis.

Our third is a little lady, she's 13 now and has had quiet a few vet visits in the past 4 years due to a growth in her anus that he removed each time.
That plus vaccs plus occasional visits to remove a bone she picked up in the park that got stuck in her teeth, an injured paw running away from our car and one or two more things means costs mount but it really doesn't matter.

She needs to be looked after. That's the bottom line. In our house anyway:)

Graces7

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

Go for middle of the road priced dog food. Don't be fooled by the high price stuff it makes no difference to the long term health of the dog or their energy levels etc... Keep away from the trash in the supermarkets it really is a false economy and your animal will end up costing you a fortune long term vet bills.

What " trash"? My dogs and cats have done and do very well on the own brand supermarket foods. Which I assume is what you are talking about? All my own food is own label also and never a problem.

My income blesses Supervalu mightily. NB I remember a vet advising LIDL pet food and the unjustified outrage here.

No vet bills either. Happy healthy dogs and cats..

NB not much of all this is really of much help to the OP?

Justin Credible Darts

em_cat wrote: »

I know and allergies are PIA in both humans & animals...Ask the vet for Apoquel, it’s expensive, but given short time and has worked worked wonders....IMO the Surlan and the fungicidal washes are so temporary and don’t help to treat the cause.

As I said earlier in the thread, dog had another vet visit earlier today, 8 days of steroids ( steroids I already had anyway).


Spoke with her about Acoquel and vet said it is not a guarantee it would work either.
I asked about the price, and its 118 a month due to his size, and the first month would have to be a double dose.



If the reaction starts again in march (if the scenario keeps repeating itself) it might be something to consider, but he is 8 years old tomorrow........yes, I knew the day he was born.

Can spend as much as ya like but on the essentials a tenner a week probably covers it for me. I have a small terrier and the vet is under 50 quid a year, food is a couple of quid a week (because I give her plenty of people scraps). Got a free 12kg bag of top quality food there and it'll probably last her til it goes off. Toys are maybe a fiver a month (she loves hiding balls in the park) and groomer is 30 quid 3/4 times a year.

However you need to budget for the breed and for emergencies. I didn't get pet insurance because it was stupid money for the situation, she'd have to get hit by a car every couple of years for it to be worthwhile but for larger breeds and those with known issues it's likely worth it.

bertiebomber

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

As I said earlier in the thread, dog had another vet visit earlier today, 8 days of steroids ( steroids I already had anyway).


Spoke with her about Acoquel and vet said it is not a guarantee it would work either.
I asked about the price, and its 118 a month due to his size, and the first month would have to be a double dose.



If the reaction starts again in march (if the scenario keeps repeating itself) it might be something to consider, but he is 8 years old tomorrow........yes, I knew the day he was born.

Happy Birthday to him and his ears !!

eisenberg1

I would second the earlier suggestion by Antares to forego pet insurance and instead put by some money if you can...€10-€20 per week in the credit union maybe. I had two dogs insured ( lost one last year to cancer) and while the insurance companies are delighted to take your money, it’s very hard (in my experience) to get them to pay out.....you really need to read the small print.
It’s one thing when the dogs are young and healthy...but then as they get older, the level of payments towards vets fees etc diminishes by a percentage each year.
Regarding food, be very careful what you feed...I had opted for a vet recommended kibble, not the cheap stuff and lauded as being top notch....but the dog in question still had to have his teeth scraped a few times. And looking back now, I don’t know if dried food was the best choice.
I now feed mainly RAW food to my remaining dog...and is thriving on it.
For a ten year old he is in great shape, no smelly breath, great coat and much calmer.

tk123

eisenberg1 wrote: »

I would second the earlier suggestion by Antares to forego pet insurance and instead put by some money if you can...€10-€20 per week in the credit union maybe. I had two dogs insured ( lost one last year to cancer) and while the insurance companies are delighted to take your money, it’s very hard (in my experience) to get them to pay out.....you really need to read the small print.
It’s one thing when the dogs are young and healthy...but then as they get older, the level of payments towards vets fees etc diminishes by a percentage each year.
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This hasn't been my experience at all with Allianz. Last time I added up what insurance has paid out it was close to 15k for my 11 year old. Once he turned 7 I had to pay 35% - this has stayed the same since. My premium has increased by €10-20 at renewal and some years not at all. The vets take care of the paper work and I can do direct claim with the vets also. So for example when he needed cruciate surgery in Jan at a cost of €2400 I paid the 35% and the vet claimed the rest. My girls bills were thousands last year and I only paid €100. Depending on what happens to your dog and where it's being treated eg at a referral hospital your option is pay thousands up front or direct claim with insurance with pre-approval so insurance will always be a must for me.

eisenberg1

tk123 wrote: »

This hasn't been my experience at all with Allianz. Last time I added up what insurance has paid out it was close to 15k for my 11 year old. Once he turned 7 I had to pay 35% - this has stayed the same since. My premium has increased by €10-20 at renewal and some years not at all. The vets take care of the paper work and I can do direct claim with the vets also. So for example when he needed cruciate surgery in Jan at a cost of €2400 I paid the 35% and the vet claimed the rest. My girls bills were thousands last year and I only paid €100. Depending on what happens to your dog and where it's being treated eg at a referral hospital your option is pay thousands up front or direct claim with insurance with pre-approval so insurance will always be a must for me.

Works for you ( I’m not with Allianz) my premium increased last year by over 30%...and they couldn’t even give me a reason, other than “increased vet fees and market forces” . I pointed out that my vet hadn’t increased prices, and I told pretty much to pay up or piss off. After that all my queries were ignored....

Anyd you’ve just frightened the Jebus out of me as my fella is currently undergoing treatment for cruciate ligament which may require surgery...let’s see what they contribute to that.

Anyway ...I’m of topic so I’ll leave it there.

eisenberg1

Knine wrote: »

My pedigrees have out lived all my cross breeds. One cross PTS at 4 years due to heart failure, another dying at the moment of cancer. So this is certainly not always the case.

The inbreeding is not anything like inexperienced people think it is. We have very strict criteria to abide by & we do lots of health testing.

Just as a matter of interest, when you say crossbreed do you mean “accidental crossbreed” as in a random act, or purposeful crossbreed such as Cockapoos etc ? From what I have seen of purposely cross breeding you can end up with some of the worst elements in both breeds.

And unfortunately not all breeders adhere to strict criteria and health checks.

I’ve had dogs all types, full bred, pedigree and unknown breeds...and in my experience the pedigrees had the most problems.

Knine

eisenberg1 wrote: »

Just as a matter of interest, when you say crossbreed do you mean “accidental crossbreed” as in a random act, or purposeful crossbreed such as Cockapoos etc ? From what I have seen of purposely cross breeding you can end up with some of the worst elements in both breeds.

And unfortunately not all breeders adhere to strict criteria and health checks.

I’ve had dogs all types, full bred, pedigree and unknown breeds...and in my experience the pedigrees had the most problems.

These were all random cross breeds. I would never in a million years support the purposeful cross breeding.

But we love our crosses as much as we love our pedigree show dogs who have all necessary health testing done.

bertiebomber

most dogs are good dogs and the rescues give 1000 % back

exador

Sorry if this is the wrong place as just saw the dog costs heading.

Looking for recommendations or pro's and cons regarding PET INSURANCE.. We have a 10 month old border collie and have had all the vaccinations and checks e.t.c ...Would like to hear feedback and if any one Company better or general feedback on PET INSURANCE ..

Thanks in advance

tk123

Allianz are the best!

Knine

bertiebomber wrote: »

most dogs are good dogs and the rescues give 1000 % back

Dogs that are not rescues also give 1000% back!

From experience of having both

cocker5

Absolutely go with Allianz and agree all dogs give back 100000000% once they have dedicated and loving owners and a good home x

olestoepoke

We have a Border Terrier, we feed him Simpsons dry food with plenty of scraps fish, meat, rice and veg so the dry food last months as its mostly scraps. I groom him myself every 4 or 5 months hand strip. They are a hardy breed so don't bother with insurance. He's well exercised and not over fed so that keeps him healthy. A lot of the time the expense comes from the owner unnecessarily spending money. So our dog costs us approx one 12k bag of dry for (Simpsons) €35 every 4 or so months.

Knine

olestoepoke wrote: »

We have a Border Terrier, we feed him Simpsons dry food with plenty of scraps fish, meat, rice and veg so the dry food last months as its mostly scraps. I groom him myself every 4 or 5 months hand strip. They are a hardy breed so don't bother with insurance. He's well exercised and not over fed so that keeps him healthy. A lot of the time the expense comes from the owner unnecessarily spending money. So our dog costs us approx one 12k bag of dry for (Simpsons) €35 every 4 or so months.

I have 4 of them. They would literally eat anything & make Labradors seem fussy. The key to keeping them healthy is indeed watching their weight.

em_cat

@exador

Allianz is the best in terms of claiming without hassle and it helps that most vets prefer dealing with them above the other pet insurers. I know it seams ridiculous, but if you are involved in any sporting agility, which you should look into with a border collie, they tend to dominate in fly ball & love it from what I can see & hear they do get injured from time to time and the treatment can be expensive.

Our Pom loves her agility & non competitive fly ball, but often gets issues with her dew claw pads tearing and a couple of times required serious sutures. We now use little neoprene guards to prevent the injury, but still it’s worth it IMO.

sdp

@exador,

+1 for Allianz, I 'm a failed forster,:rolleyes: and had not insured my last lovely boy, in his 13 years thankfully never needed a lot of vet care, and I had set up a savings account for any vet treatment.

But this chap I felt due to his size and weird cross breed , would need insurance.

So far they have covered his Immunotherapy ( very bad ears and skin issues) also had cruciate ligament surgery (TPLO) seven weeks ago. Vets made the claim's, I only had to pay €100 access.
So for me to insure him was a life saver.