Star Trek Discovery Season 3 episode 2- That Hope is You, Part 2

Rawr

corkie wrote: »

The only problem is 'Burnham' is marked classified since the events of the previous season. So how would anyone know to connect the suit to her if it was the cause. She may have had a problem getting known in the year she has been there.

Edit: - We also known that the suit made it back to leave the 7th Signal in the end of season 2.

I have complete faith in this production crew's abilities....to forget all of that and do it anyway while breaking their own cannon.

TheValeyard

corkie wrote: »

As others have said, found this episode dragged out and I was bored by it.

Jake Weber ~ Zareh is only billed for one episode, so we won't be seeing him again?





Hopefully the season proper can get going from next week on.

That's who that was!! Great in Homeland.
Be great to have him back. Next timed mixed with the ice Parasite.

mikhail

CramCycle wrote: »

Why could it just not be the guy they gave a functioning star ship too. He could then help them find Michael in the next episode. It just didn't make sense. A year and she has her own ship and undoubtedly done a load of other great stuff. Cue flashback episode later in the season.

I think the bigger danger is that she has all the answers. Every situation they find themselves in, she is the local expert. Which would be fine if the writing had any subtlety and the universe didn't already orbit her character.

Evade

Episode 3-12

Detmer: Captain there's an anomaly ahead.

Saru: Red alert! That is a space dangus.

Bridge Crew: Hurriedly going about their duties

Burnham: Relax, Saru. 8 months ago I found out you just need to flooble a dangus and you can fly right through.

I think that'll sum up the rest of the season.

CastorTroy

Evade wrote: »

Episode 3-12

Detmer: Captain there's an anomaly ahead.

Saru: Red alert! That is a space dangus.

Bridge Crew: Hurriedly going about their duties

Burnham: Relax, Saru. 8 months ago I found out you just need to flooble a dangus and you can fly right through.

I think that'll sum up the rest of the season.

Actually it was "surgle a pletus" as we saw in the flashback episode about her year without Discovery.

CramCycle

CastorTroy wrote: »

Actually it was "surgle a pletus" as we saw in the flashback episode about her year without Discovery.

Don't worry, if any writing crew could contradict the canon they have only just concocted, it will be this one. After several youtube videos explaining the idiocy of it, they will have an episode near the end of the season to explain that they are essentially the same thing but with different names, and seem to do different things depending on the region of space they are in, but to clarify, they are in no way inconsistent.

pixelburp

Yeah the ending was a little pat but honestly didn't put too much of a dent on an otherwise solid, entertaining episode. Felt like a "proper" Trek with the crew all doing their part. Continuing to call Saru an acting captain feels a little silly, though I suppose they're not yet aware there's little Federation to rubber-stamp promotions.

Not sure where the Detmer stuff is meant to go, why we kept focusing on her. Also interesting how beyond the implied "unite the Federation" arc presumably coming, there's no real antagonist or Big Bad yet.

I’m thinking there may be some temporal type thing with Detmer which will lead to a story later on.

CastorTroy

Calling Saru acting captain does make sense in a way. They all know he's captain but they also know its not official and he would insist on being called acting.

The way the guys in the bar were talking I was expecting the bad guy to land with a number of ships like he was similar to The Governor/Negan from Walking Dead. But it was apparently just him and a few men.

What is Stamet's title?

Stark

CastorTroy wrote: »

What is Stamet's title?

Lieutenant Commander.

flazio

He's the Chief Engineer isn't he? (Lt. Cmdr is his rank)

Evade

I don't think he has a title like Chief Engineer, Science Officer, etc. His field of science is astromycology but I think that's probably too niche to be a title.

Stark

Yeah "Spore drive specialist" would be the closest for him. Reno is probably the closest thing to "Chief Engineer" on the ship.

Evade

If they ever link up with the remnants of Starfleet a big round of introductions would be nice.

Smacruairi

I actually found that episode quite tedious.

Parasitic ice makes no sense.

Georghiou is a cartoon character whose motivations make no sense.

I still haven't a clue who half the bridge staff are.

Why does everyone talk to each other so sarcastically or condescending? Saru is liked by all because he is the only one who talks like an adult, the rest all talk like college grads who are just muddling through. Why does everyone sound so infantile?

The Burnham ex machina I didn't actually mind, but that's because the whole ice thing made no sense to me. I'll give it another episode or so but nothing in this season so far has me looking forward to the next episode. Its a bit of a chore for me. I'm done seeing fights all the time.

seamus

Yeah, I enjoyed that considerably more than the first episode, and I didn't mind the first.

The crew chemistry has really come together. You'd think the mixture of having two engineers who are sarcastic and grumpy would be a mess, but it works well.

Someone mentioned earlier that the episode didn't go anywhere, it was pointless worldbuilding. But it did provide more context around what's going on in the galaxy. Nobody was all that surprised by the appearance of a ship from the past. And they're more familiar with the Federation than the first episode would suggest.

It looks like the quadrant, if not the galaxy, is largely in chaos, with minor warlords and thugs controlling their own patch, and everyone mostly beholden to the Orion Syndicate, or a descendent of it, who control the last of the supply of dilithium.

It also sounds like a lot of Federation tech was plundered and there are starfleet ships still in use.

I don't like Georgiou though, I never really have. She doesn't make sense. She's apparently an evil supervillian who follows orders for no apparent reason and feels a motherly bond with a Burnham that she knows is not the one she raised. Her existence in storylines makes them a bit clunky, and she's always a magic get-out-of-jail-free card because she can take on ten attackers at once or has pre-empted the enemy's next five moves.

Evade

I think the ice as a concept is fine but the name doesn't work, it implies it's biological and it doesn't need to be. It's just like the spore drive, the concept is ok but powering it by an actual non metaphorical mushroom network that spans the galaxy was a weird choice.

mikhail

seamus wrote: »

The crew chemistry has really come together. You'd think the mixture of having two engineers who are sarcastic and grumpy would be a mess, but it works well.

I'd agree with this. I like both of the engineers, but then I always like the engineers. They're different kinds of sarcastic and grumpy: she's definitely more mischievous about it, which I'm enjoying.

I also enjoy Georgio, for all that she's cartoonish and camp. I can see how she annoys others, but she potentially has an interesting dynamic with Saru ahead, when his ideals will be difficult to sustain in the compromised position in which they find themselves. As for character motivation, she's mostly coming across as completely opportunistic. I agree they've taken her affection for Michael a little too far; it's out of character.

Someone wished more of the characters were mature and level-headed, that Saru stands out because he's nearly the only one like that, and I agree. I peg it on the writers' desire to wring character out of every interaction. Star Trek was always best when it was plot-driven, not character-driven. Tilly, especially, seems like some sort of vapid effort to give teenage girls a character to identify with. Why the cadet is played by a woman in her mid thirties is completely beyond me.

Goodshape

I disliked Georgio a little less than usual in this episode. Not a good character, though.

The point about the crew acting and talking like college grads is good take. Everything's an emotional struggle or breakthrough – or both – and it's a bit grating.

I do actually feel like I've either gotten or am getting to know most of them now though.

PhiloCypher

flazio wrote: »

He's the Chief Engineer isn't he? (Lt. Cmdr is his rank)

No I think he was just in charge of the spore drive. We've yet to meet the chief engineer as far as I know. Think it took till season two(?) before we met Culbers boss , Discoveries chief medical officer .

Stark

PhiloCypher wrote: »

No I think he was just in charge of the spore drive. We've yet to meet the chief engineer as far as I know. Think it took till season two(?) before we met Culbers boss , Discoveries chief medical officer .

Now this bit I missed. Thought Culver was the CMO, didn't realise there was someone more senior on board.

CastorTroy

The reason I asked about Stamets' title was because of how he had to be guided step by step through what had to be done and if I learned anything from watching Trek, all engineers know everything about the ship. So this was basically the equivalent of being told how to wire a plug. Though he knew the names of things, or just assumed what she was talking about when told what to remove.

corkie

^^^ He was been guide through it, because he only just recovered from been in a coma. So didn't have full facilities yet?

pixelburp

Stamets was injured and on drugs to be fair, and IIRC is a specialist engineer not a broad starship one. Heck if I remember part of season 2 featured him wondering his purpose given the spore drive was now defunct.

Evade

Stamets isn't an engineer, he's in the science division.

Smacruairi

Evade wrote: »

Stamets isn't an engineer, he's in the science division.

Isn't this part of the issue with Disco though? It's season 3 and we don't know what anyone actually does? Sure earlier we were all surprised with everyone's ranks...

Evade

True, which is why I hope we get an full introduction at some point but Stamets clearly wears a science division uniform, silver, not an engineering one, bronze.

CastorTroy

Smacruairi wrote: »

Isn't this part of the issue with Disco though? It's season 3 and we don't know what anyone actually does? Sure earlier we were all surprised with everyone's ranks...

So many Commanders. Reminds me of Spies Like Us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFtyh-5LPxw

Rawr

Evade wrote: »

True, which is why I hope we get an full introduction at some point but Stamets clearly wears a science division uniform, silver, not an engineering one, bronze.

I miss clear distinctions between the divisions ....must be why I'm not a massive fan of the Discovery uniform. Really feel like they should have adopted the TOS uniform in Season 2.

TheValeyard

Took three seasons, but we finally saw Lieutenant Rhys actually do something