AI Hurling (Joe McDonagh, Christy Ring , Nicky Rackard and Lory Meagher Cups 2020)

mitchelsontour

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

That’s absolutely disgraceful from Offaly.

How about credit to Down

The reality of the championship system of promotion and relegation means every team find its own level.

This is currently Offaly's level.

statesaver

Up Down !!

Fair play. Down keeper makes 3 penalty saves.

mitchelsontour

mitchelsontour wrote: »

How about credit to Down

The reality of the championship system of promotion and relegation means every team find its own level.

This is currently Offaly's level.

Exactly. To be falling to that level to be playing the likes of Down in the first place is terrible. You’ve basically agreed with me.

tipp_tipp_tipp

Fair play to down. Very disappointing for Offaly though. Great for Kildare and Down to step up next year to the Joe Macdonagh.

breezy1985

"We should change the rules so Offaly can be in the Liam McCarthy" Haha remember that nonsense

PTH2009

Great result for Down but Offaly jesus christ what has happened. They should be winning this no problem

GalwayMark

breezy1985 wrote: »

"We should change the rules so Offaly can be in the Liam McCarthy" Haha remember that nonsense

Can't believe they were Playing us three years ago in Portlaoise. Now it seems like a lifetime ago.

breezy1985

GalwayMark wrote: »

Can't believe they were Playing us three years ago in Portlaoise. Now it seems like a lifetime ago.

The signs were there for years. As soon as a proper tiered structure came in they were gonna fall hard but the blinkers were on cause they won the AI 30 years ago and couldnt see they were falling behind Carlow, Laois and others who were putting the work in

mitchelsontour

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Exactly. To be falling to that level to be playing the likes of Down in the first place is terrible. You’ve basically agreed with me.

No you seem to believe that Offaly have a god given right to be playing at a higher level they don't, this is their level and they have to earn the right to play at a higher level.

mitchelsontour

mitchelsontour wrote: »

No you seem to believe that Offaly have a god given right to be playing at a higher level they don't, this is their level and they have to earn the right to play at a higher level.

You obviously have some bone with Offaly but they have fallen and it’s extremely poor from them to be anywhere near playing Down, let alone losing to them.

GalwayMark

breezy1985 wrote: »

The signs were there for years. As soon as a proper tiered structure came in they were gonna fall hard but the blinkers were on cause they won the AI 30 years ago and couldnt see they were falling behind Carlow, Laois and others who were putting the work in

It was 22 years since their last title was in 1998.

breezy1985

GalwayMark wrote: »

It was 22 years since their last title was in 1998.

I do apologise. That makes all the difference we need to parachute them into Liam McCarthy immediately because its 22yrs not 30

mitchelsontour

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

You obviously have some bone with Offaly but they have fallen and it’s extremely poor from them to be anywhere near playing Down, let alone losing to them.

No bone with Offaly but a realistic view of their current form, not based on rose tinted glasses of the 1980s and 1990s.

GalwayMark

mitchelsontour wrote: »

No bone with Offaly but a realistic view of their current form, not based on rose tinted glasses of the 1980s and 1990s.

Warning signs in Nowlan Park 6 1/2 years ago and Ger Loughnane the following night on TSG warned it could fall off the hurling map which has occured within the last two years if the GAA and county board didn't get things in complete order and so it has come to pass. Every stakeholder at each level should hang their heads with huge shame for allowing this to happen.

CrabRevolution

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

You obviously have some bone with Offaly but they have fallen and it’s extremely poor from them to be anywhere near playing Down, let alone losing to them.

I don't think anyone has a bone to pick with Offaly.

The objections to your post are based on calling them "a disgrace". The only reason (if there is any) for calling them a disgrace would be if they're actually a top level team who either didn't try or didn't care and lost as a result. Offaly are definitely not a top team and haven't been in a while, so that's obviously not the reason.

The only other option is if you reckon every team playing at that level is a disgrace for not being in the top tier. I'd hope that isn't the case.

breezy1985

GalwayMark wrote: »

Warning signs in Nowlan Park 6 1/2 years ago and Ger Loughnane the following night on TSG warned it could fall off the hurling map which has occured within the last two years if the GAA and county board didn't get things in complete order and so it has come to pass. Every stakeholder at each level should hang their heads with huge shame for allowing this to happen.

Donal Og ripped the Offaly myth apart on the Sunday Game one time and showed that the 80s and 90s were the anomaly for Offaly not current times. They are not some sleeping giant like Limerick with 2 AI in 80 odd years or underachievers like Mayo in football

GalwayMark

breezy1985 wrote: »

Donal Og ripped the Offaly myth apart on the Sunday Game one time and showed that the 80s and 90s were the anomaly for Offaly not current times. They are not some sleeping giant like Limerick with 2 AI in 80 odd years or underachievers like Mayo in football

True but it's still very sad to watch especially with the paucity of top level counties in hurling which meant nearly a century and a half of complete failure by our supposed custodians in Croke Park.

ebbsy

Irrespective of the state of Offaly, I think its worth mentioning that the likes of my county, Wicklow, who are in 2A, and indeed Down, only have a limited number of clubs to choose from but still give good value.

Todays result is not a surprise for me.

And the Joe McDonagh level is tough as well. Would Offaly have been able to compete with Kerry Antrim etc ? I'm not sure.

breezy1985

GalwayMark wrote: »

True but it's still very sad to watch especially with the paucity of top level counties in hurling which meant nearly a century and a half of complete failure by our supposed custodians in Croke Park.

What do you expect them to do have 32 teams that can win the AI. Name me one tournament in the world that is won by more than a few big teams every year. Little counties like Offaly shouldnt be expecting to be at the top table in 2 codes all the time

GalwayMark

breezy1985 wrote: »

What do you expect them to do have 32 teams that can win the AI. Name me one tournament in the world that is won by more than a few big teams every year. Little counties like Offaly shouldnt be expecting to be at the top table in 2 codes all the time

No but hurling is meant to be the national game with perhaps 16-20 teams at the top level which isn't completely unreasonable. Not being able to win the main competition or compete shouldn't be an excuse for neglect of our national game.

Brussels Sprout

I saw somewhere that Offaly were 1/33 to win that game today!

Both finalist get promoted to Joe McDonagh next year so that game doubled as a promotion play-off too.

breezy1985

GalwayMark wrote: »

No but hurling is meant to be the national game with perhaps 16-20 teams at the top level which isn't completely unreasonable. Not being able to win the main competition or compete shouldn't be an excuse for neglect of our national game.

Sadly Gaelic Football put a stop to that ever happening

Rolo2010

GalwayMark wrote: »

No but hurling is meant to be the national game with perhaps 16-20 teams at the top level which isn't completely unreasonable. Not being able to win the main competition or compete shouldn't be an excuse for neglect of our national game.

Hurling has always been a minority sport compared to our other national game of football. 16-20 teams at the top level is unreasonable when you look at the areas where hurling is popular and the number of clubs in weaker counties. My county, Donegal, has 9 clubs. 4 compete at junior level. Leitrim has 2 clubs. Fermanagh has 1 club. Football doesn't even have 16 teams who are able to compete at the top level.

Donal Óg is right about developing hurling by providing more funding and putting good plans in place. Unfortunately, he has a tendancy to blame football for holding hurling back and some of his proposals such as the Team Ulster make no sense.

PTH2009

Next week is a massive weekend in the JM cup, Antrim having the week off and They face Meath in round 5 and a draw will do but atm they look to have secured a final place

Round 4 (Sat 21st Nov)-Nothing only pride on the line in the Meath vs Westmeath game but the Kerry vs Carlow match is massive, Must win game for Kerry as its their last game and a loss will knock them out of the championship. A Carlow win puts them in a great position for a final place going into Round 5 where they will face Westmeath

Christy Ring Final - Kildare vs Down (both promoted too the JM cup for 2021)
Nicky Rackard Final- Mayo vs Donegal
Lory Meagher Final- Fermanagh vs Louth

Not sure there doing the triple header in Croke Park this year

thebronze14

PTH2009 wrote: »

Donegal vs Mayo final in the Nicky Rackard

Kildare into the Christy Ring final

We await penalties in the other CR semi final , not good for the heart for Offaly and Down supporters

Do the losers of NR get promoted?

Mantis Toboggan

ebbsy wrote: »

Irrespective of the state of Offaly, I think its worth mentioning that the likes of my county, Wicklow, who are in 2A, and indeed Down, only have a limited number of clubs to choose from but still give good value.

And who's fault is that? Why are there so few hurling clubs in wicklow? What have the county board done to create more teams?

Why don't they force the clubs to play hurling too? I'm from a hurling club but if we didn't field a football team the club got fined, we had lads go on and play County football after.

conor05

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

And who's fault is that? Why are there so few hurling clubs in wicklow? What have the county board done to create more teams?

Why don't they force the clubs to play hurling too? I'm from a hurling club but if we didn't field a football team the club got fined, we had lads go on and play County football after.

Spot on, that’s the crux of it.

These footballing counties getting away with a total inept attitude towards hurling.

They have a hatred of hurling in counties like Meath, Louth and Monaghan from my experience of living there.

Hats off to counties like Kerry and Carlow etc who have county boards who are forward thinking and trying to get their hurling teams up to a higher level because county boards have a lot to answer for the state of hurling in the Christy ring, Nicky Rackard and lory meagher counties.

arctictree

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

And who's fault is that? Why are there so few hurling clubs in wicklow? What have the county board done to create more teams?

Hurling isn't doing too bad in Wicklow. We have about a dozen clubs with adult teams and half of them have two teams.

A lot of clubs from these counties are going outside for underage which should see benefits in years to come. Carlow teams in Kilkenny and Laois, Wicklow teams in Dublin and Wexford, aren’t Naas basically Kilkenny at all underage levels?

Getting beaten by better teams is the only way to progress really.

kala85

PTH2009 wrote: »

Next week is a massive weekend in the JM cup, Antrim having the week off and They face Meath in round 5 and a draw will do but atm they look to have secured a final place

Round 4 (Sat 21st Nov)-Nothing only pride on the line in the Meath vs Westmeath game but the Kerry vs Carlow match is massive, Must win game for Kerry as its their last game and a loss will knock them out of the championship. A Carlow win puts them in a great position for a final place going into Round 5 where they will face Westmeath

Christy Ring Final - Kildare vs Down (both promoted too the JM cup for 2021)
Nicky Rackard Final- Mayo vs Donegal
Lory Meagher Final- Fermanagh vs Louth

Not sure there doing the triple header in Croke Park this year

It's an awful pity these joe mcdonagh Cup games are not picked up by main stream TV. Some of them are right good games

CrabRevolution

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

And who's fault is that? Why are there so few hurling clubs in wicklow? What have the county board done to create more teams?

Why don't they force the clubs to play hurling too? I'm from a hurling club but if we didn't field a football team the club got fined, we had lads go on and play County football after.

What county is this? I've never heard of such a stupid rule.

Rolo2010

conor05 wrote: »

Spot on, that’s the crux of it.

These footballing counties getting away with a total inept attitude towards hurling.

They have a hatred of hurling in counties like Meath, Louth and Monaghan from my experience of living there.

Hats off to counties like Kerry and Carlow etc who have county boards who are forward thinking and trying to get their hurling teams up to a higher level because county boards have a lot to answer for the state of hurling in the Christy ring, Nicky Rackard and lory meagher counties.

And yet Meath are in the Joe McDonagh. Hurling has never been big in Monaghan but they have 4 or 5 clubs playing it.

Rolo2010

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

And who's fault is that? Why are there so few hurling clubs in wicklow? What have the county board done to create more teams?

Why don't they force the clubs to play hurling too? I'm from a hurling club but if we didn't field a football team the club got fined, we had lads go on and play County football after.

Which county? Most counties have football and hurling only clubs and I've heard of any fines being given out. Setanta in Donegal aren't fined for not playing football. And clubs shouldn't be forced to play hurling. That is the wrong approach and will only increase resistance to the sport.

Mantis Toboggan

CrabRevolution wrote: »

What county is this? I've never heard of such a stupid rule.

How is it a stupid rule meant we had 30+ clubs playing football. I would have thought that's a good thing!

conor05

Lads is there much interest in hurling in Kerry?

They seem to have a very decent hurling team since around 2015 onwards.

breezy1985

conor05 wrote: »

Lads is there much interest in hurling in Kerry?

They seem to have a very decent hurling team since around 2015 onwards.

In Kerry itself there's some very dedicated people but the general public don't care and despite the myth that we all work to keep em down in Munster I'd say you would find as many Limerick,Cork or whoever that can tell you where Kerry are in the league as Kerry people could. Same often goes the other direction for football as Kerry fans can be more knowledgeable about Limerick football than your average Limerick hurling fan

cute geoge

conor05 wrote: »

Lads is there much interest in hurling in Kerry?

They seem to have a very decent hurling team since around 2015 onwards.

North Kerry is the home of Kerry hurling with massive interest in county hurling championship with great rivallary between the senior clubs but only 8 clubs in a small pocket of the county .No real interest in any of the towns or the rest of the county so if they had a hand full of other clubs to pick from they could be a force.Some underage clubs starting up in Tralee and Killarney so hopefully things will improve in this regard

mitchelsontour

cute geoge wrote: »

North Kerry is the home of Kerry hurling with massive interest in county hurling championship with great rivallary between the senior clubs but only 8 clubs in a small pocket of the county .No real interest in any of the towns or the rest of the county so if they had a hand full of other clubs to pick from they could be a force.Some underage clubs starting up in Tralee and Killarney so hopefully things will improve in this regard

Killarney and Tralee clubs contested the intermediate final this year Crokes beating Parnells. If the Munster club had gone ahead they would have been in the junior.
Kerry senior clubs play intermediate in the Munster club.
You also have Kilgarvan and Kenmare teams.

zetecescort

Youtube link for the Christy Ring final, Down v Kildare Sunday at 3:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D_A9RTq9oQ

Link for the Nicky Rackard final, Donegal v Mayo Sunday at 1:20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCxu6_zuKqs

breezy1985

zetecescort wrote: »

Youtube link for the Christy Ring final, Down v Kildare Sunday at 3:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D_A9RTq9oQ

Link for the Nicky Rackard final, Donegal v Mayo Sunday at 1:20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCxu6_zuKqs

Don't worry most people who start threads moaning about the suits in HQ not showing the lower leagues respect will ignore your kind post

PTH2009

What's the story with Promotion to the Liam Mccarthy for 2021 ?

If Kerry win they have to go into Leinster and not Munster

PTH2009

How come the Lory Meagher final is not been played on Sunday in Croke Park ??

Both Kildare and Down have been promoted to the JM cup for 2021 and the final is basically for pride but in the Nicky Rackard final between Donegal and Mayo only the winner gets promotion to the Christy Ring for 2021

Billy Ocean

PTH2009 wrote: »

How come the Lory Meagher final is not been played on Sunday in Croke Park ??

Both Kildare and Down have been promoted to the JM cup for 2021 and the final is basically for pride but in the Nicky Rackard final between Donegal and Mayo only the winner gets promotion to the Christy Ring for 2021

maybe a case of spreading out games to protect the pitch.

paul0103

PTH2009 wrote: »

How come the Lory Meagher final is not been played on Sunday in Croke Park ??

Both Kildare and Down have been promoted to the JM cup for 2021 and the final is basically for pride but in the Nicky Rackard final between Donegal and Mayo only the winner gets promotion to the Christy Ring for 2021

https://twitter.com/LMFMRADIO/status/1325777935987585030?s=19

breezy1985

Hawkeye9212 wrote: »

Antrim were down 6 players including McManus for Westmeath. I agree with you on Kerry. It would be interesting to see how promotion works if they win. I think it would be bad look if they are forced into a play-off with the bottom team from Munster.

Why is it a bad look to adhere to the pre agreed rules ?

Mantis Toboggan

Every team coming up from the Joe Mc should have to play off against the bottom team in their province, if they're good enough let them up.

Mantis Toboggan

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Every team coming up from the Joe Mc should have to play off against the bottom team in their province, if they're good enough let them up.

As little chance as they have as competing they’ll never improve if they don’t get up to that level to experience it more.

Mantis Toboggan

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

As little chance as they have as competing they’ll never improve if they don’t get up to that level to experience it more.

Yeah would be nice to see a few of them get up and compete but no point coming up a getting battered. The 3 teams that came up, carlow, Westmeath and Laois all appear to be gone backwards. They really need to get their house in order underage and compete against the big boys.

PTH2009

Kerry beat Carlow by 2 points

Kerry vs Antrim JM cup final on the 13th Dec

breezy1985

So do Laois stay up and Antrim join Leinster next year?