Women Detained, Stripped for Involuntary Medical Check at Doha Airport

Electric Sheep

Eleven Benevolent Elephants wrote: »

That's what I'm asking.

How would countries in this neck of the woods do things?

In Kerry they beat a confession out of an unrelated family then use the superfecundancy defense.

skooterblue2

kathleen37 wrote: »

How about there's no more talk of invasive searches on ANY women?

The racism in this thread is shocking.

Are you suggesting that we forget it happened?
Are you suggesting that women aren't treated a little better off than cattle in some countries?
How do you suggest we brush this under the carpet and advise women that Qatar is a safe country to visit/destination hub going forward?

Sardonicat

Electric Sheep wrote: »

In Kerry they beat a confession out of an unrelated family then use the superfecundancy defense.

Not to mention dragging a woman's private life through the mud at a public tribunal and openly discussing, amongst other things, the condition of her pubenda and how far dilated her cervix was upon examination. All reported in the press, covered on TV and widely discussed by every Tom, Dick, Harry and their wives up and down the country.

excludedbin

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Are you suggesting that we forget it happened?

Are you suggesting that innocent people should be punished for something they had no part in?

skooterblue2

excludedbin wrote: »

Are you suggesting that innocent people should be punished for something they had no part in?

Never said that but sometimes when you put it into perspective, that the possibly you mother might still have the afterbirth inside of her and could suffer toxic shock syndrome. Dont you think every effort should be made to save even an unrational person. Possibly 1000 women have to put up with two hours discomfort weighed against 2 innocent lives? I would have to go with the latter.

skooterblue2

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Never said that but sometimes when you put it into perspective, that the possibly you mother might still have the afterbirth inside of her and could suffer toxic shock syndrome. Dont you think every effort should be made to save even an unrational person. Possibly 1000 women have to put up with two hours discomfort weighed against 2 innocent lives? I would have to go with the latter.

Are you male or female?

skooterblue2

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Are you male or female?

I identify as a pot roast. Does it make a difference?

Sardonicat

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Never said that but sometimes when you put it into perspective, that the possibly you mother might still have the afterbirth inside of her and could suffer toxic shock syndrome. Dont you think every effort should be made to save even an unrational person. Possibly 1000 women have to put up with two hours discomfort weighed against 2 innocent lives? I would have to go with the latter.

If she had the placenta still inside her she would not be sitting calmly on a plane. It would be pretty obvious from her presentation she would need attention. What in the name of all things would justify examining obviously post menopausal women?

Why couldn't they have interviewed and assesed how the women presented. This wasn't about trying to help a distressed woman, this was about catching someone they deemed a criminal.

Lillyfae

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Never said that but sometimes when you put it into perspective, that the possibly you mother might still have the afterbirth inside of her and could suffer toxic shock syndrome. Dont you think every effort should be made to save even an unrational person. Possibly 1000 women have to put up with two hours discomfort weighed against 2 innocent lives? I would have to go with the latter.

Discomfort? It was a sexual assault!

How this has any affect on the baby's life is totally beyond me. By all accounts the baby is safe and being cared for. As for the mother, don't you think that it would be quite easy to ascertain if a woman is ill on the verge of death just by looking at them? If I've got toxic shock syndrome I'm sure I'm pretty easy to pick out of a line up of perfectly healthy women who haven't just given birth without having to digitally penetrate me.

kathleen37

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Are you suggesting that we forget it happened?
Are you suggesting that women aren't treated a little better off than cattle in some countries?
How do you suggest we brush this under the carpet and advise women that Qatar is a safe country to visit/destination hub going forward?

Lets do an invasive search of EVERY muslim woman

That is a misogynistic statement. It's also racist.

Mistreatment of women, of anyone, needs to be addressed without resorting to misogyny or racism.

skooterblue2

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I identify as a pot roast. Does it make a difference?

I’d just like to know whether your acceptance of this gross and forced invasion of a woman’s body comes from someone that has a fanny.

Do you?

nomdeboardie

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Never said that but sometimes when you put it into perspective, that the possibly you mother might still have the afterbirth inside of her and could suffer toxic shock syndrome. Dont you think every effort should be made to save even an unrational person. Possibly 1000 women have to put up with two hours discomfort weighed against 2 innocent lives? I would have to go with the latter.

Oh please, this whole 'concerned that the mother might need medical attention' argument, as parroted by the authorities there, and any time a similar occurance happens anywhere, but especially in this case smacks of 'we will hunt you down' paternalism. The thought is indeed valid, but the idea that 'care' must be 'offered' at any cost, in this case the cost of many unconected women's bodily and mental integrity, is gross over-reach (ick, no pun intended).

km991148

Keenan Zealous Rose wrote: »

All sounds rather barbaric, yet not that surprising in that part of the world.

It sounds exactly like how some people want to treat people coming into Europe?

skooterblue2

Sardonicat wrote: »

If she had the placenta still inside her she would not be sitting calmly on a plane. It would be pretty obvious from her presentation she would need attention. What in the name of all things would justify examining obviously post menopausal women?

Why couldn't they have interviewed and assesed how the women presented. This wasn't about trying to help a distressed woman, this was about catching someone they deemed a criminal.

Its not like officer in that country have been trained for that sort of thing? Some times speed is needed and deal with the consequences later. They are airport security officers not gynecologists. I am not saying it never happened in the history of the world but how do you suggest an untrained individual deal with a situation like that, because I would be damned if I knew in the same circumstances.....

excludedbin

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Never said that

And yet you felt the need to question someone else about things they didn't say.

but sometimes when you put it into perspective, that the possibly you mother might still have the afterbirth inside of her and could suffer toxic shock syndrome. Dont you think every effort should be made to save even an unrational person. Possibly 1000 women have to put up with two hours discomfort weighed against 2 innocent lives? I would have to go with the latter.

Hang on a second, you don't have to do anything to those innocent women, so why are you presenting it that way? You'd literally be punishing innocent people for no other reason than to satisfy your petty desire for revenge. Those women didn't do anything to deserve that so why should they have to suffer?

skooterblue2

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Ah give over. Looking at you crooked would be sexual assault. It was done by a female doctor in private and not on the plane. Yeah it was crap situation but they were managing as best they could with thousands of people moving in and out of the airport.

I’m dumbfounded at this post.

ohnonotgmail

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Ah give over. Looking at you crooked would be sexual assault. It was done by a female doctor in private and not on the plane. Yeah it was crap situation but they were managing as best they could with thousands of people moving in and out of the airport.

putting fingers inside a vagina without consent is sexual assault pretty much everywhere in the world.

Lillyfae

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I’m dumbfounded at this post.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

putting fingers inside a vagina without consent is sexual assault pretty much everywhere in the world.

Thank you.

skooterblue2

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I’d just like to know whether your acceptance of this gross and forced invasion of a woman’s body comes from someone that has a fanny.

Do you?

I have just checked Biology 5th edition Brooker Widmaier Graham Stiling 2019
No mention of a "fanny". Going to check Principles of Anatomy and Physiology 8th edition.
I will get back to you when I have a result.

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

putting fingers inside a vagina without consent is sexual assault pretty much everywhere in the world.

I can't believe I had to post that.

Lillyfae

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Ah give over. Looking at you crooked would be sexual assault. It was done by a female doctor in private and not on the plane. Yeah it was crap situation but they were managing as best they could with thousands of people moving in and out of the airport.

I don't care if it's a man or woman examining me, or a doctor for that matter, as long as they have training and I have consented.

Penetration by anyone without consent is sexual assault.

kathleen37

This thread is pretty terrifying for all sorts of reasons.

I'm sickened at some of the views here and am now out.

Keep safe, everyone. Where ever you are.

Sardonicat

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Ah give over. Looking at you crooked would be sexual assault. It was done by a female doctor in private and not on the plane. Yeah it was crap situation but they were managing as best they could with thousands of people moving in and out of the airport.

You know, we ask women for their consent before we examine them. We don't check their records and think Oh, Sardonicat hasn't shown up for her smear, the next time she comes in for something completely unrelated I'll just perform one, whether she likes it or not, because it's for her own good'. Because that's sexual assault!

ceadaoin.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Never said that but sometimes when you put it into perspective, that the possibly you mother might still have the afterbirth inside of her and could suffer toxic shock syndrome. Dont you think every effort should be made to save even an unrational person. Possibly 1000 women have to put up with two hours discomfort weighed against 2 innocent lives? I would have to go with the latter.

It was a humiliating sexual assault. Not "2 hours of discomfort". It was an extreme abuse of human rights. The only people who would go with the latter and do this to 1000 women really just dont care about women one bit. Nothing to do with perspective but how the Qatari authorities, and others, view women.

donegal_man

Does anyone posting here that what happened was not big deal actually have any female relatives? If you do ask them whether they would be happy to submit to such an examination unless it were something they absolutely needed to endure as part of a valid medical examination.
To put it in some sort of context how many of us would be prepared to submit to the equivalent of a prostate examination if a bag of heroin was discovered on the floor of a men's toilet?

Sardonicat

donegal_man wrote: »

Does anyone posting here that what happened was not big deal actually have any female relatives? If you do ask them whether they would be happy to submit to such an examination unless it were something they absolutely needed to endure as part of a valid medical examination.
To put it in some sort of context how many of us would be prepared to submit to the equivalent of a prostate examination if a bag of heroin was discovered on the floor of a men's toilet?

Without any explanation as to why, either.

volchitsa

kathleen37 wrote: »

How about there's no more talk of invasive searches on ANY women?

The racism in this thread is shocking.

Racism and misogyny.

ohnonotgmail

donegal_man wrote: »

Does anyone posting here that what happened was not big deal actually have any female relatives? If you do ask them whether they would be happy to submit to such an examination unless it were something they absolutely needed to endure as part of a valid medical examination.
To put it in some sort of context how many of us would be prepared to submit to the equivalent of a prostate examination if a bag of heroin was discovered on the floor of a men's toilet?

I'd say their wailing and gnashing of teeth could be heard from miles around. it is not a pleasant experience.

volchitsa

ceadaoin. wrote: »

It was a humiliating sexual assault. Not "2 hours of discomfort". It was an extreme abuse of human rights. The only people who would go with the latter and do this to 1000 women really just dont care about women one bit. Nothing to do with perspective but how the Qatari authorities, and others, view women.

Some posters on here, who are presumably not Qatari, are little better TBH. The idea that it's "just a bit of discomfort", or indeed that it shoudl be done in reprisal to all Muslim women leaving Australia shows the same mind set.

skooterblue2

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

putting fingers inside a vagina without consent is sexual assault pretty much everywhere in the world.

If you are in "those" places, their country their rules. If you dont want to take a chance then stay at home. No its not impressive.