Shooting incident in Kanturk, Co. Cork (Mod note in op)

Duke of Url

RIP to the 2 Victims.

2012paddy2012

Smee_Again wrote: »

My comment wasn’t directed at the tragedy but at the prick of a poster trying to use this tragic incident to push his anti-lockdown bull****.

RIP to the victims and condolences to the survivor.

There are way of saying things is all I can say. Inappropriate in my humble view. I agree with your sentiments

Cody montana

Cody montana wrote: »

It was over a will I believe.

Crazy if true. A will is a legal document. The person in control of an asset is free to leave it to who they want within the law.

Limpy

Not a speculative post,.but<Snip>

That was the definition of a speculative post

Feisar

Limpy wrote: »

Ban guns?

No, I’d like to continue enjoying my sport thanks all the same.

brookers

theguzman wrote: »

Suicides have soared under lockdown whilst mental health is collapsing all over too much time to dwell on lots of negative things, had this year been just another year then most likely such a tragedy might never have occurred.

Most famers would just carry on in a lockdown, up early, milking, looking after sheep and cattle, ploughing their fields and spraying their crops, they wouldnt have time to be discussing the advantages or disadvantages of a lockdown, most fall asleep on the sofa from physical exhaustion at the end of the day. When it comes to land, all sense goes out the window and the brother or sister you grew up with can often become your greatest enemy, that is the really sad part about passing on the farm, often times there is somebody who feels aggrieved.

Ten of Swords

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MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Limpy wrote: »

Ban guns?

FFS always one..

The_Kew_Tour

The father and mother were lovely people. Didnt know sons but it's awful tragic.

Thankfully it's very very rare here.

Quantum Erasure

Deleted User wrote: »

Crazy if true. A will is a legal document. The person in control of an asset is free to leave it to who they want within the law.

Bit naive to be fair, especially when it comes to land / farms

kildare lad

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Crazy if true. A will is a legal document. The person in control of an asset is free to leave it to who they want within the law.

My father is from the country and he said the amount of families he knows where siblings don't talk to each other over who get left what in the will is quiet common. He said he's been to funerals and there's been fights between sons of the deceased over who get left the farm or land. It's a sad state of affairs all round . Rip to the family

Ten of Swords

theguzman wrote: »

Suicides have soared under lockdown whilst mental health is collapsing all over too much time to dwell on lots of negative things, had this year been just another year then most likely such a tragedy might never have occurred.

Eleven Benevolent Elephants wrote: »

This man will be lambasted from all angles.

But if it was the woman who did it, the narrative would be different.

theguzman, Eleven Benevolent Elephants - Both threadbanned

KiKi III

Eleven Benevolent Elephants wrote: »

I'm right though. And you know it.

One man murdered two other men in his family.

And your first thought is to conjure a hypothetical where a woman did it.

Jesus the cartwheels you had to turn to make this tragedy about your resentment of women.

Galwayguy35

Very sad case.

An incident happened here that has yet come before the courts over a will and land as well.

I worked with the man at the centre of it, its strange what people will do in the heat of the moment over land.

completedit

pjohnson wrote: »

Embarassing.

It's a message board.

GoneHome

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Awful situation.

Such a horrible loss of life.

All over a will and a farm.

The mind boggles.

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Read post #1 again, speculation or 'local knowledge'. And the mother's medical history is irrelevant, not to mention private

GoneHome

sallysue2 wrote: »

I have 2 sons, who are still babies but couldn't imagine this happening to us. A lot of my family are farmers and I've seen so many families torn apart by land and not speaking for years. This really is so desperately sad

I live in a rural area here in Co Limerick and know of at least two local families who are not speaking due to land/inheritance issues, it's still riff in rural Ireland but have to say I was shocked hearing of today's events in Co Cork especially as involved two brothers in their 20s, I would associate such striff more so with an older cohort of people.

GoneHome

brookers wrote: »

Most famers would just carry on in a lockdown, up early, milking, looking after sheep and cattle, ploughing their fields and spraying their crops, they wouldnt have time to be discussing the advantages or disadvantages of a lockdown, most fall asleep on the sofa from physical exhaustion at the end of the day. When it comes to land, all sense goes out the window and the brother or sister you grew up with can often become your greatest enemy, that is the really sad part about passing on the farm, often times there is somebody who feels aggrieved.

Exactly, this tragedy had absolutely nothing to do with lockdown, pure and simple greed about land

Mad_maxx

GoneHome wrote: »

Exactly, this tragedy had absolutely nothing to do with lockdown, pure and simple greed about land

farming is the sector which has been least effected by lockdown bar the restrictions in livestock marts , thats to be expected as social distancing is pretty easy for farmers , the milk truck comes and collects the milk , farmer may not even see the driver , he is out in his fields doing tractor work each day etc

covid 19 has shown how farming is a great life , ive two acres and less than a dozen sheep myself ( kids love seeing them ) but ive farmers all around me , they do get awfully upset about issues like land inheretince however , thats not me having a go , its a fact

can be extremely divisive and the older generation tend to be poor at managing it correctly , leaving the up and coming generation frustrated

Mr.burgess

The only way to do a will is split it right down the middle otherwise the family will fall out

tayto lover

Mr.burgess wrote: »

The only way to do a will is split it right down the middle otherwise the family will fall out

Mine is made.
Everything to be sold and split evenly. House and contents.
Even leaving a few quid for a drink on me.

Galwayguy35

Mr.burgess wrote: »

The only way to do a will is split it right down the middle otherwise the family will fall out

That doesn't work with a farm.

The son/daughter who want to continue the farming life should be left the land and the others given an agreed amount of cash as their inheritance.

GoneHome

Mr.burgess wrote: »

The only way to do a will is split it right down the middle otherwise the family will fall out

While that's all very well in theory it doesn't always pan out that, what if you have a son at home farming the land with the parents who are now in their 60s or 70s, you also have say a son working in Dublin, maybe another son over in the UK or Australia, they would all seem the same entitlement to the land but the son at home is the one doing all the donkey work, you could see how a lad would be put out

Spanish Eyes

Us city folk know very little about the enormity of land division after a death do we?

It must be very divisive all the same. Just making a guess here, one of the sons farmed the land, the other didn't. Son who farmed was left the land the other wasn't.

Anyway, it is definitely tragic and my suppositions could be totally wrong also.

Mad_maxx

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

That doesn't work with a farm.

The son/daughter who want to continue the farming life should be left the land and the others given an agreed amount of cash as their inheritance.

correct and right , i know of a situation where every child got the same , none of them ended up with near enough to make a living yet felt obliged to farm

Spanish Eyes

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

That doesn't work with a farm.

The son/daughter who want to continue the farming life should be left the land and the others given an agreed amount of cash as their inheritance.

What if there is no cash?

Spanish Eyes

Everything we have that's fixed is to be sold and the proceeds distributed equally.

Same with any cash we might have.

I do realise that farms and land are different though. And therein lies many an issue I think. One child inherits, the rest don't. Or something like that.

May they all rest in peace.

GoneHome

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

What if there is no cash?

That makes things even more difficult in that the only possible value is in the land, see how it comes full circle, no money, land worth money, sell land, don't sell land, keep it in the family name, it's a vicious circle

josip

Were there any other children in the family?
Hoping that the poor mother has someone left after all this.

Galwayguy35

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

What if there is no cash?

Well in my own case my brother got the farm because he was the one who wanted to do it, I had no interest in farming so I was given a cash settlement.

Problems arise when siblings who have no interest in the farm still think they are entitled to as much as the one who stays home to run the place.

There has to be a bit of give and take.