ASTI members vote for industrial action over Covid issues

declanflynn

Dav010 wrote: »

ASTI representative brought on The Last Word a few mins ago banging on again about a pay rise for teachers. He got short shrift on that one.

The good news is that with the state of the public finances teachers wont be getting a pay rise for at least 10 years

ceegee

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Its just my opinion but GPs are hands on and in very close contact
Any pharmacy I have been in have plastic screens between them and the customer

Hospital pharmacist maybe a different matter .

There's screens at the counters, but administering vaccines (be it an injection for adults or nasal spray for kids), checking blood pressure etc needs pharmacists to be in very close contact with patients.
While GP surgeries were doing mostly phone consultations during the first wave, pharmacies remained open to the public

Bubbaclaus

ceegee wrote: »

There's screens at the counters, but administering vaccines (be it an injection for adults or nasal spray for kids), checking blood pressure etc needs pharmacists to be in very close contact with patients.
While GP surgeries were doing mostly phone consultations during the first wave, pharmacies remained open to the public

GPs have been doing phone consultations for people that didn't need to be seen, but they have still regularly been meeting patients in person, and also continue to do house calls as well as their regular nursing home visits. So lots of direct and close contact with the more vulnerable members of society.

iamwhoiam

ceegee wrote: »

There's screens at the counters, but administering vaccines (be it an injection for adults or nasal spray for kids), checking blood pressure etc needs pharmacists to be in very close contact with patients.
While GP surgeries were doing mostly phone consultations during the first wave, pharmacies remained open to the public

Look , it was just an opinion of mine . Not based on any data etc . I have no input into any priority list

GPs by the way have seen patients all through since March
Yes they did phone consultations but also saw many patients who needed to be seen including care home patients

Hotblack Desiato

Dav010 wrote: »

There was a representative for the parents association on Ireland AM this morning, she said the parents contacting them were unanimously against the schools closing.

What parents association? I'm a parent and I've never been asked to join any bloody association. She does not speak for me.

wirelessdude01

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

What parents association? I'm a parent and I've never been asked to join any bloody association. She does not speak for me.

Guessing the NPC. The Aine lady loves the sound of her own voice.

Carfacemandog

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Again should teachers not be considered like the others that you say are further up the queue than us?

We are essential when they want schools open but not essential enough when it comes to vaccines.

Spread rates are lower in primary and secondary schools than in the general populace. Teachers deemed high risk, like anyone deemed high risk, need to go to the front of the queue.

Teachers not deemed high risk should not, and should rank behind the likes of supermarket staff for one example.

As for the pay rise... I've never seen a worse case of timing to ask for this kind of thing. Both comical and repugnant from ASTI. :eek:

Carfacemandog

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Personally I think the priority should be

Frontline staff , ie doctors , nurses carers , ambulance crews , phyios , GPs , porters etc



all Care home workers including catering staff .

Over 85
Over 70

Vulnerable and immuno compromised

Over 65

Pharmacy workers

Primary teachers
Primary school children
Secondary teachers

Retail floor staff


The rest of society

Swap primary teachers with secondary teachers, put children below both of them, and then pop retail staff in just below the pharmacy workers and I'm in agreement there.

Spread is a bigger risk in secondary than primary, apparently ppart physiological and part to do with it being much easier to control the movements of a 6 year old than a 16 year old.

Carfacemandog

ceegee wrote: »

I'm not sure how GPs can be considered front line but not pharmacy staff.

GPs are the ones administering almost all tests that are not mass swabbings (emgm nursing home outbreaks and such), so its pretty important to get them sorted. An asymptomatic GP can cause a lot of issues, especially since they can still test negative for their first few days while having it.

Dav010

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

What parents association? I'm a parent and I've never been asked to join any bloody association. She does not speak for me.

Eh, Hotblack I might be going out on a limb here, but I don’t think she was claiming to speak for all parents, only the ones who contacted their helpline. So if you didn’t phone, it’s ok, don’t worry, she didn’t mention your name, she wasn’t speaking for you.

Treppen

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

What parents association? I'm a parent and I've never been asked to join any bloody association. She does not speak for me.

nearly every school has a parents association, they represent on your behalf to school.
They can report into NPC who'll speak to govt. on your behalf too.

Hotblack Desiato

Dav010 wrote: »

Eh, Hotblack I might be going out on a limb here, but I don’t think she was claiming to speak for all parents, only the ones who contacted their helpline. So if you didn’t phone, it’s ok, don’t worry, she didn’t mention your name, she wasn’t speaking for you.

Of course the likes of her claim to speak on behalf of all, and she's certainly not the only git on radio/tv doing it either. The rest of us are silent / silenced, but silence is not consent.

Hotblack Desiato

Treppen wrote: »

nearly every school has a parents association, they represent on your behalf to school.
They can report into NPC who'll speak to govt. on your behalf too.

what makes you think she is representative of parents' associations? My wife and I are quite involved on the local level. We are ex-catholics who want a religiously neutral upbringing for our kids, but 96% of primary schools are run by a church. These are schools we all pay for through our taxes. The system in this country is f**ked.

Treppen

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

what makes you think she is representative of parents' associations? My wife and I are quite involved on the local level. We are ex-catholics who want a religiously neutral upbringing for our kids, but 96% of primary schools are run by a church. These are schools we all pay for through our taxes. The system in this country is f**ked.

Because a few posts ago someone said "a representative" . I didn't hear the radio interview so don't know if she purported to represent locally or was she from the NPC.
Dunno what religious patronage has to do with Ballot for strike/Covid!

Glurrl

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

My son in primary will be in school 21st and half day 22nd, I guarantee you they will do absolutely f**k-all in that day and a half. It's pointless bringing in the kids for it.

Schools finishing on the 18th gives everyone (kids, parents - not just teachers) the possibility of a week without contacts before seeing elderly relatives etc. on Stephens' Day onwards.

Make up the days later if absolutely necessary but to me it makes complete sense to close the schools on the 18th (and no I am not a teacher and not related to one either, I'm working on the 24th and back on the 29th :rolleyes: )

Does this apply to those working in the food supply chain too?Can we all down tools on the 18th?

blanch152

khalessi wrote: »

Nurses firemen care workers already have access to the vaccine.

My niece is very high risk with Cystic Fibrosis, she got the vaccine weeks ago. My parents considered elderly already have access to the vaccine got it early October. Those who are high risk or cocooning are entitled to get the vaccine

The government not me put teachers on the same pedestal as frontline staff so treat us the same. I am a nurse I worked as one for 20 years, now I am a teacher, I didnt ask to be considered a frontline worker but the government have consistently trotted it out to pat us on the head.

You keep trying to make **** up to hype your anti teacher rhetoric. I dont care where they put teachers but if they insist on calling us frontline and even frontline heroes as they did on the radiothen give me the same PPE and treat me properly when it comes to identifying close contacts, and testing.

Teachers have even been referred to on here as frontline when it suits people to keep schools open
FOr months your posts have contained anti teacher rhetoric get over it

I don't think you read my post very carefully.

The unions are calling for the new Covid vaccine to be prioritised for teachers. You seem to be talking about the flu vaccine.

blanch152

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

If you say so. I really do feel sorry for people who can't actually put aside their hatred for a profession enough to have a constructive discussion. Always comes back to the issue that that poster thinks that teachers are beneath them.

Not at all. I have many teachers in my family and friends and am very respectful of them and their work.

I think teachers are very badly served by their representative trade unions, who have lost the plot completely over the last six months, looking for PPE appropriate to surgical work and making pay claims for Covid.

I am happy to have a constructive discussion, which it what I am doing on the issue of priority for the Covid vaccine. I am also pointing to the facts.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1120/1179322-coronavirus-schools/

"A low positivity rate in a setting indicates low general levels of transmission of the virus."

That was one of the points I was making weeks ago. The evidence in Ireland is that Covid-19 is not spreading in schools. I have also explained why I believe that to be the case. Schools are controlled environments, usually well ventilated and usually with people social distancing. Contrast that with playdates where children are in smaller unventilated spaces and you can see that the social as well as educational needs of children are better met in school.

Rather than considering me anti-teacher, you should really consider whether what I say fits an agenda that is pro-child and pro-education of children. I make no apology for saying that I give the needs of children higher priority than the demands of teacher unions.

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/1119/1179062-teachers-trade-unions-oireachtas/

It seems that Norma Foley agrees with me on the vaccine, public health considerations not union demands should decide who gets it first.

Dav010

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Of course the likes of her claim to speak on behalf of all, and she's certainly not the only git on radio/tv doing it either. The rest of us are silent / silenced, but silence is not consent.

She definitely didn’t mention you, you’ll be sound.

Smacruairi

I'm just wondering where the forum is for this one

Public health doctors to go on strike for three days in January https://jrnl.ie/5284241

Donald Trump

Smacruairi wrote: »

I'm just wondering where the forum is for this one

Public health doctors to go on strike for three days in January https://jrnl.ie/5284241

Mad that. The doctors jobs aren't even important or stressful enough to necessitate half the year on leave. Must be fairly handy

Tomtom3105

Why were the secondary schools closed today anyone know

Sultan of Bling

Tomtom3105 wrote:

Why were the secondary schools closed today anyone know

My daughter,s wasn't

Tomtom3105

Dot want to give away my location by naming schools but some definitely were

Smacruairi

Well 99% of schools weren't so. any more information to go off?

Bonniedog

ASTI is run by leftie officials and activists. The leadership pushing for strikes went down like a lead balloon in the country, and they backed off.

Only ones supporting them were the reds in Leinster House.

Imagine the same middle class snowflakes if bin collectors decided that emptying Teacher's bin was a threat and decided not to bother.

Smacruairi

Bonniedog wrote: »

ASTI is run by leftie officials and activists. The leadership pushing for strikes went down like a lead balloon in the country, and they backed off.

Only ones supporting them were the reds in Leinster House.

Imagine the same middle class snowflakes if bin collectors decided that emptying Teacher's bin was a threat and decided not to bother.

You know doctors are actually striking, teachers aren't right?

wirelessdude01

Tomtom3105 wrote: »

Why were the secondary schools closed today anyone know

How many were closed in your area?

thomasdylan

Smacruairi wrote: »

You know doctors are actually striking, teachers aren't right?

I completely disagree with the timing of the public health strike.

But... the Scally and Crowe Horwath reports commissioned by the government both recommended public health doctors be treated as consultants. The public health doctors all complete higher specialist training the same as other consultants and Ireland is the only country I know that doesn't treat them as consultants. And they've been promised for the past few years than consultant status would be granted to bring Ireland in line with everywhere else.

And there's been one doctor strike in 20+ years that was to bring maximum shifts to 24 hours. There'll be loads of outrage if this strike goes ahead but it probably won't. And the IMO would be a lot less public in their moaning than the ASTI (despite conditions probably being more difficult) which probably affects public perception.

Bonniedog

Smacruairi wrote: »

You know doctors are actually striking, teachers aren't right?

I assume the doctors will succumb to similar peer pressure!

Maybe doctors who are afraid of being near sick people and teachers afraid of being in same room as children - who are almost immune from covid, this we know - should get a different job

khalessi

Bonniedog wrote: »

I assume the doctors will succumb to similar peer pressure!

Maybe doctors who are afraid of being near sick people and teachers afraid of being in same room as children - who are almost immune from covid, this we know - should get a different job

I would like to see you do either job. Keyboard warriors empty vessels.