ASTI members vote for industrial action over Covid issues

Guffy

Bobtheman wrote: »

He wants revenge for the way his life turned out and a teacher rightly calling him a moron

Your not winning the hearts and minds here

Tomtom3105

Tomtom3105 wrote: »

Newbie20 wrote: »

Tomtom3105 wrote: »

Did the teachers decide to close the schools? No
Did the teachers continue to teach the Leaving Certs online? Yes
When did the teachers stop teaching Leaving Certs? When the government cancelled the Leaving.

There’s a couple of facts that might make your post less

Why wouldnt they teach them when they were still getting their full wages?

Did the builders close the building sites ? Did the irish people close the country? What are you talking about,everyones year got ****ed up everyone has been affected negatively In some way by the whole thing but the teachers got one of the least raw deals but are the first to the line with the whinging it's always the same
The majority of my post is my opinion which i am entitled to voice in this public forum, the general public are just not going to have any sympathy for the teachers because they have heaps of their own problems borne of this pandemic and threatening strike and therefore causing uncertainty about the schools remaining open so we can get back to normality isnt exactly going to be met with applause.

noodler

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You missed the Six One news this evening, there were 46 new school outbreaks identified in the last week. And this out of a total of 126 to date. You'd want to get real.

This is the sort of soapboxing to be avoided.

School transmission is one third of that on the community. It does not mean there are no cases.

There have been over 12,000 cases in the last ten days. A disproportionately small amount of them are from school transmission.

You'd actually want to get real yourself if you think no student or teacher catching it is a realistic aim. Zero covid is not realistic

SouthWesterly

Donald Trump wrote: »

There would be no issue with these new entrants had the existing teachers not been happy to pull the ladder up behind them and shaft newbies in 2010..

All the civil and public services did it, not just the teachers

Iscreamkone

The government have already brought in legislation preventing landlords from evicting tenants during the Covid emergency. They should bring in similar legislation banning public employees from striking. If these public employees then strike - sack them.

Plenty unemployed graduates at the moment who could step up.

Reagan sacked 11,000 air traffic controllers when they went on strike, and life banned them from returning. That’s the spirit.

Newbie20

Tomtom3105 wrote: »

Tomtom3105 wrote: »

Newbie20 wrote: »

Did the builders close the building sites ? Did the irish people close the country? What are you talking about,everyones year got ****ed up everyone has been affected negatively In some way by the whole thing but the teachers got one of the least raw deals but are the first to the line with the whinging it's always the same
The majority of my post is my opinion which i am entitled to voice in this public forum, the general public are just not going to have any sympathy for the teachers because they have heaps of their own problems borne of this pandemic and threatening strike and therefore causing uncertainty about the schools remaining open so we can get back to normality isnt exactly going to be met with applause.

You are entitled to your opinion. But then there are also facts, you might want to check out some of them.

Smacruairi

Iscreamkone wrote: »

The government have already brought in legislation preventing landlords from evicting tenants during the Covid emergency. They should bring in similar legislation banning public employees from striking. If these public employees then strike - sack them.

Plenty unemployed graduates at the moment who could step up.

Reagan sacked 11,000 air traffic controllers when they went on strike, and life banned them from returning. That’s the spirit.

This time, the third time you'll get a bite. I'm sure you will. You keep hoping buddy.

yabadabado

SouthWesterly wrote: »

All the civil and public services did it, not just the teachers

Is there two tier pay in all other area's?

Say someone working as a clerical officer or a garda?
Is that 2 tier pay for doing the same job based on the date of entry ?

History Queen

Iscreamkone wrote: »

The government have already brought in legislation preventing landlords from evicting tenants during the Covid emergency. They should bring in similar legislation banning public employees from striking. If these public employees then strike - sack them.

Plenty unemployed graduates at the moment who could step up.

Reagan sacked 11,000 air traffic controllers when they went on strike, and life banned them from returning. That’s the spirit.

There's a teacher shortage.... and a nurse shortage... not sure about doctors or other sectors sooooo.....

As much as some posters hate the public and civil services we need them for the country to function. The ire directed at teachers is something to behold, though I do appreciate it is often to the public sector as a while.

KaneToad

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

I'll be supporting them so not exactly nobody OP.

I think I'd support them too. Their demands aren't that outrageous.

Tomtom3105

Newbie20 wrote: »

Tomtom3105 wrote: »

Tomtom3105 wrote: »

You are entitled to your opinion. But then there are also facts, you might want to check out some of them.

Would you say the teachers have the backing of the public then? Do you think this is the right time to be striking? Do you think this will be a positive move for the teachers ?

Dav010

I hope the Government don’t waste this opportunity, with public support, to slap down this union of whingers. Do they think they are the only ones who have to work in rooms with other people?

Iscreamkone

History Queen wrote: »

There's a teacher shortage.... and a nurse shortage... not sure about doctors or other sectors sooooo.....

As much as some posters hate the public and civil services we need them for the country to function. The ire directed at teachers is something to behold, though I do appreciate it is often to the public sector as a while.

In an emergency graduates without further teaching quals could easily be hired to replace the work shy ASTI members.

Dav010

KaneToad wrote: »

I think I'd support them too. Their demands aren't that outrageous.

They gave away the moral high ground when they included a demand for a pay rise at the time when hundreds of thousands are off work as a result of Covid.

Rodney Bathgate

Dav010 wrote: »

They gave away the moral high ground when they included a demand for a pay rise at the time when hundreds of thousands are off work as a result of Covid.

Sickening.

History Queen

Iscreamkone wrote: »

In an emergency graduates without further teaching qualms could easily be hired to replace the work shy ASTI members.

The ASTI members aren't workshy. I don't know what you mean by "without further teaching qualms"? What graduates are you going to hire? We've unqualified teachers hired this year to plug gaps and we are still short. Seeing as half my school (ASTI) members are now being fired according to you, how are we going to keep the school going?

Sorry just see you edited to quals (i assume qualifications). Rest of my post still stands

Eleven Benevolent Elephants

We need someone like Thatcher or Regan to smash the unions.

Any teacher who strikes should be sacked and banned from rejoining the public sector.

thomasdylan

Smacruairi wrote: »

You know that nurses unions and junior doctors both threatened industrial action in the past few years right?

There has been one strike by junior doctors in the past 25 years I think. It lasted half a day, emergency services were still maintained and it was to reduce the maximum shifts that could be rostered to 24 hours.

Icemancometh

thomasdylan wrote: »

There has been one strike by junior doctors in the past 25 years I think. It lasted half a day, emergency services were still maintained and it was to reduce the maximum shifts that could be rostered to 24 hours.

A strike for less pay.

History Queen

Eleven Benevolent Elephants wrote: »

We need someone like Thatcher or Regan to smash the unions.

Any teacher who strikes should be sacked and banned from rejoining the public sector.

Do you actually understand the role unions have played in our society? If you are a worker you should not be looking for unions to be smashed.

As regards sacking teachers for striking, how do you propose to keep the education sector going?

Treppen

Eleven Benevolent Elephants wrote: »

We need someone like Thatcher or Regan to smash the unions.

Any teacher who strikes should be sacked and banned from rejoining the public sector.

Iscreamkone

History Queen wrote: »

The ASTI members aren't workshy. I don't know what you mean by "without further teaching qualms"? What graduates are you going to hire? We've unqualified teachers hired this year to plug gaps and we are still short. Seeing as half my school (ASTI) members are now being fired according to you, how are we going to keep the school going?

Sorry just see you edited to quals (i assume qualifications). Rest of my post still stands

You think that you’re irreplaceable.
They’d be queuing from here to Poland and Latvia for your sweet number. N-ASTI are a joke and will get zero support outside the staff room. I’d cross your picket line all day long.

mcgragger

History Queen wrote: »

Do you actually understand the role unions have played in our society? If you are a worker you should not be looking for unions to be smashed.

As regards sacking teachers for striking, how do you propose to keep the education sector going?

I'm a worker and I hate unions. Times have moved on. It's not 1920.

I'm hounded at work to join a Union. I don't want to. I dont feel my employer is taking the piss. In fact its the opposite. My employer is quite employee centric but the Union seems to have a need to create issues where there are none.

The ASTI are Militants. F**k them. They wont have my support.

um7y1h83ge06nx

I wonder if "Couldn't Be Arsed Workingitis" is a valid reason for them to be able to claim PUP.

As the old phrase goes - if there was work in the bed they would sleep on the floor.

Rodney Bathgate

We need robot teachers. Kick the current bunch of work shy no marks to touch.

History Queen

Iscreamkone wrote: »

You think that you’re irreplaceable.
They’d be queuing from here to Poland and Latvia for your sweet number. N-ASTI are a joke and will get zero support outside the staff room. I’d cross your picket line all day long.

Nope I'm just a number. Not irreplaceable but obviously a lot more familiar than you on the realities. Who will be queing for my "sweet number"? ASTI don't need public support. Arguably, the more aggrieved the public are the sooner the government will seek to resolve the issues. So I'm sure ASTI will be delighted to hear that you don't support them.

SouthWesterly

yabadabado wrote: »

Is there two tier pay in all other area's?

Say someone working as a clerical officer or a garda?
Is that 2 tier pay for doing the same job based on the date of entry ?

Yes

thomas 123

mcgragger wrote: »

I'm a worker and I hate unions. Times have moved on. It's not 1920.

I'm hounded at work to join a Union. I don't want to. I dont feel my employer is taking the piss. In fact its the opposite. My employer is quite employee centric but the Union seems to have a need to create issues where there are none.

The ASTI are Militants. F**k them. They wont have my support.

You know why the times have moved on?

Unions. Pick up a history book.

um7y1h83ge06nx

More moaning from the ASTI than a porn film set.

History Queen

mcgragger wrote: »

I'm a worker and I hate unions. Times have moved on. It's not 1920.

I'm hounded at work to join a Union. I don't want to. I dont feel my employer is taking the piss. In fact its the opposite. My employer is quite employee centric but the Union seems to have a need to create issues where there are none.

The ASTI are Militants. F**k them. They wont have my support.

Frightening lack of understanding for why unions are necessary.