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ASTI members vote for industrial action over Covid issues

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    #212
    Iscreamkone
    Registered Users Posts: 916 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    History Queen wrote: »
    Nope I'm just a number. Not irreplaceable but obviously a lot more familiar than you on the realities. Who will be queing for my "sweet number"? ASTI don't need public support. Arguably, the more aggrieved the public are the sooner the government will seek to resolve the issues. So I'm sure ASTI will be delighted to hear that you don't support them.

    If you strike - I’d say let you there. If the schools close until alternative arrangements can be made so be it. But the clock would stop on your pay and pension. You could continue to give grinds though - if there is a demand for grinds in Religion and PE.


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    #213
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,971 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    yabadabado wrote: »
    Is there two tier pay in all other area's?

    Say someone working as a clerical officer or a garda?
    Is that 2 tier pay for doing the same job based on the date of entry ?

    Yes, there is. The teachers make out they are some singled-out downtrodden group, when the opposite is the case. They are among the most privileged in the public service.

    For example, annual leave in the public service got cut for everyone during the crisis........except teachers.


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    #214
    History Queen
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    Iscreamkone wrote: »
    If you strike - I’d say let you there. If the schools close until alternative arrangements can be made so be it. But the clock would stop on your pay and pension. You could continue to give grinds though - if there is a demand for grinds in Religion and PE.

    Please tell me that you realise that strikes are unpaid? You can't threaten striking workers with stopping their pay as they have already decided to forfit it themselves.... interested in hearing about your alternative arrangements?


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    #215
    Iscreamkone
    Registered Users Posts: 916 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    History Queen wrote: »
    Frightening lack of understanding for why unions are necessary.

    The problem isn’t with unions.
    The problem is with unions acting the cnut


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    #216
    History Queen
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    Yes, there is. The teachers make out they are some singled-out downtrodden group, when the opposite is the case. They are among the most privileged in the public service.

    For example, annual leave in the public service got cut for everyone during the crisis........except teachers.

    Teachers were disproportionately affected because of the cut to qualification allowances which were essentially core pay as you have to hold these qualifications to be a teacher.


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    #217
    Beasty
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    Bobtheman wrote: »
    He wants revenge for the way his life turned out and a teacher rightly calling him a moron
    Bobtheman wrote: »
    If you got your head out of your hole
    Bobtheman wrote: »
    Yawn. Just cause you failed the exam.- don't take it out on us
    Bobtheman wrote: »
    Pay equality dip stick.

    Threadbanned


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    #218
    Iscreamkone
    Registered Users Posts: 916 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    Anyway- night nite x
    I’ve to get up for work tomorrow


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    #219
    History Queen
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    Iscreamkone wrote: »
    The problem isn’t with unions.
    The problem is with unions acting the cnut

    Do you know what the role of a union is? You also didn't answr my previous questions.


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    #220
    Snotty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭Snotty


    Huge amount of rabble rabble in this thread without anyone asking how can schools remain open, which is needed for the economy to function and teachers to stop complaining?

    Do you want full PPE gear?
    Do you want less students in the classroom?

    I see plenty of mention of close contact definitions and tracking, but I don't see how any of that answers the question, how do teachers propose schools stay open?


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    #221
    History Queen
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    Snotty wrote: »
    Huge amount of rabble rabble in this thread without anyone asking how can schools remain open, which is needed for the economy to function and teachers to stop complaining?

    Do you want full PPE gear?
    Do you want less students in the classroom?

    I see plenty of mention of close contact definitions and tracking, but I don't see how any of that answers the question, how do teachers propose schools stay open?

    They aren't looking for full PPE or less students. They aren't looking to close schools. The close contact definitions and tracing are about making schools safer not closing them.


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    #222
    Newbie20
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    Snotty wrote: »
    Huge amount of rabble rabble in this thread without anyone asking how can schools remain open, which is needed for the economy to function and teachers to stop complaining?

    Do you want full PPE gear?
    Do you want less students in the classroom?

    I see plenty of mention of close contact definitions and tracking, but I don't see how any of that answers the question, how do teachers propose schools stay open?

    Could you not just look it up yourself rather than reading all the rabble? Teachers have made it very clear that they want schools to stay open. They want the definition of a close contact in schools to change (basically to be in line with what a close contact is in any other walk of life) and they want faster test turnaround times. Not big requests at all really.


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    #223
    thomasdylan
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    History Queen wrote: »
    Teachers were disproportionately affected because of the cut to qualification allowances which were essentially core pay as you have to hold these qualifications to be a teacher.

    Teachers have one of the best starting salaries of anyone if the public sector. Better than physios, nurses, pharmacists, etc.


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    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    Snotty wrote: »
    Huge amount of rabble rabble in this thread without anyone asking how can schools remain open, which is needed for the economy to function and teachers to stop complaining?

    Do you want full PPE gear?
    Do you want less students in the classroom?

    I see plenty of mention of close contact definitions and tracking, but I don't see how any of that answers the question, how do teachers propose schools stay open?

    They want more money. If that happens all their safety concerns will miraculously disappear.


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    #225
    alroley
    Registered Users Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭alroley


    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    They want more money. If that happens all their safety concerns will miraculously disappear.

    Nope.


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    #226
    Tomtom3105
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    Newbie20 wrote: »
    Could you not just look it up yourself rather than reading all the rabble? Teachers have made it very clear that they want schools to stay open. They want the definition of a close contact in schools to change (basically to be in line with what a close contact is in any other walk of life) and they want faster test turnaround times. Not big requests at all really.

    The test turnarounds are 24 now tho are they not ?
    They also have a wages arguement cos more money would make them safer from covid.


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    #227
    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    Newbie20 wrote: »
    Could you not just look it up yourself rather than reading all the rabble? Teachers have made it very clear that they want schools to stay open. They want the definition of a close contact in schools to change (basically to be in line with what a close contact is in any other walk of life) and they want faster test turnaround times. Not big requests at all really.

    No mention of pay there.


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    #228
    History Queen
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    thomasdylan wrote: »
    Teachers have one of the best starting salaries of anyone if the public sector. Better than physios, nurses, pharmacists, etc.

    One of the best starting salaries assuming full hours and 12 month contract (uncommon and usually takes a few years to achieve) compared with others who need a masters and 6 years in college (subject depending)?


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    um7y1h83ge06nx
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    Tomtom3105 wrote: »
    The test turnarounds are 24 now tho are they not ?
    They also have a wages arguement cos more money would make them safer from covid.

    More money would make them safer, they could then offer bribes to Covid to get him to fcuk off.


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    #230
    Snotty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭Snotty


    History Queen wrote: »
    They aren't looking for full PPE or less students. They aren't looking to close schools. The close contact definitions and tracing are about making schools safer not closing them.

    So a change in definition makes a school safer? Again all that would lead to is teachers being able to take their 2 weeks self isolation every time a student tests positive, which across all classes basically means that a couple of cases would close the school.

    My question was how can schools stay open and teacher be happy, a change in definition will not result in this.


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    #231
    History Queen
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    Tomtom3105 wrote: »
    The test turnarounds are 24 now tho are they not ?
    They also have a wages arguement cos more money would make them safer from covid.

    Not in tipperary anyway, not sure about other areas of the country


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    #232
    History Queen
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    Snotty wrote: »
    So a change in definition makes a school safer? Again all that would lead to is teachers being able to take their 2 weeks self isolation every time a student tests positive, which across all classes basically means that a couple of cases would close the school.

    My question was how can schools stay open and teacher be happy, a change in definition will not result in this.

    Well it'd stop untested cases remaining in the school community and spreading the viris further.... that's safer in my book


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    #233
    Rodney Bathgate
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    Lots of overtime being racked up by the union officials tonight. Defending the indefensible.


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    #234
    Sultan of Bling
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    blanch152 wrote:
    For example, annual leave in the public service got cut for everyone during the crisis........except teachers.


    Really? Mine didn't.

    Public sector worker (not a teacher)


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    #235
    Tomtom3105
    Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭Tomtom3105


    Snotty wrote: »
    So a change in definition makes a school safer? Again all that would lead to is teachers being able to take their 2 weeks self isolation every time a student tests positive, which across all classes basically means that a couple of cases would close the school.

    My question was how can schools stay open and teacher be happy, a change in definition will not result in this.

    Ah now I see the covid contact problem is that the teachers themselves are not being considered close contacts therefore they are not getting the two weeks off with pay when a student tests positive, is that the 'tracking ' issue they want 'redefined'?


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    #236
    Newbie20
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    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    No mention of pay there.

    I already posted a page or two back that I don’t agree with tackling the pay issue at all now. I’m not going to repeat myself in every post. I was posting in response to the question as to how teachers suggested keeping schools open.


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    #237
    History Queen
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    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    Lots of overtime being racked up by the union officials tonight. Defending the indefensible.

    If that's aimed at me you couldn't be more wrong. I'm a member of the TUI and not an official either. I just dislike the constant running down of my profession.


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    #238
    um7y1h83ge06nx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,029 ✭✭✭um7y1h83ge06nx


    A bit of wee Daniel might help the teachers

    https://youtu.be/bYqJ3EfHY3c


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    #239
    Tomtom3105
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    History Queen wrote: »
    Not in tipperary anyway, not sure about other areas of the country

    Anyone I know adult, child or preschooler in cork, and I know a few, have gone for tests midday and received results 24hours later.


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    History Queen
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    Tomtom3105 wrote: »
    Anyone I know adult, child or preschooler in cork, and I know a few, have gone for tests midday and received results 24hours later.

    Testing lab in Cork and none in Tipperary maybe? My sister in law tested today told 2-3days for result but "might be quicker". Most people I know who were tested (in tipp)were around 48hours or so


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    #241
    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    Newbie20 wrote: »
    I already posted a page or two back that I don’t agree with tackling the pay issue at all now. I’m not going to repeat myself in every post. I was posting in response to the question as to how teachers suggested keeping schools open.

    No, you were misrepresenting the reasons for striking.


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