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Vuelta a España stage 9: Castrillo del Val to Aguilar de Campoo (157.7km)

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    #92
    breezy1985
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    happytramp wrote: »
    Any chance for Sam tomorrow?


    Maybe. It depends on how hard its ridden by the break as the GC wont care about it


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    #93
    Chivito550
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    sy wrote: »
    Tomorrow and Stage 18

    Will the Madrid authorities even allow Stage 18 to happen?


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    #94
    Inquitus
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    I thought the DQ was a bit harsh!


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    #95
    sy
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    https://twitter.com/i/status/1321850345446887425

    Defending his position...


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    #96
    Itziger
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    breezy1985 wrote: »
    We all know what the Trek lad was up to but Sam makes a huge lunge across to hit him and its way too obvious and aggressive not to get a DQ.
    i think I would be a lot less annoyed if it was Ewan or Ackermann he hit but he is after getting Dqed over a fight with some nobody who came 13th

    It makes no difference where the bloke finished. His intent was obvious. I know the shoulder charge looked bad and you can't REALLY argue with the DQ but when the best sprinter is chucked out, seems a shame.


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    #97
    breezy1985
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    Itziger wrote: »
    It makes no difference where the bloke finished. His intent was obvious. I know the shoulder charge looked bad and you can't REALLY argue with the DQ but when the best sprinter is chucked out, seems a shame.


    I think if Sam had let him in closer before he hit him the same barge suddenly looks defensive in a replay and he gets off with it


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    #98
    Weepsie
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    lissard wrote: »
    Sagan got done from something similar in the TdF so completely consistent from the comms.

    I said when Sagan was demoted at the tour de France that people would have been saying "oh that's racing" if it were Sam and thus it presents itself today.

    Sagans was of course slightly different as it was at the sprint, be he also (and it wasn't taken into account) had some moron spectator dangle a selfie stick out in front of him at the time


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    #99
    happytramp
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    Cyclingnews official stage preview for tomorrow says "last 2k rise at an average of 5% but shouldn't overly trouble the sprinters and their trains".... hmmm, does that add up?


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    #100
    wirelessdude01
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    Do we think just one shoulder would have been ignored?


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    #101
    Chivito550
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    Is it just me, or is it odd that appeals aren't allowed?


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    #102
    Chivito550
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    I read the below on Cyclingnews forum? Any idea what this is about?

    "Ackermann seems to say afterwards that the relegation was over Bennett head butting him? And that the objection was from Bora? What? Have we all been discussing the wrong incident or has something been lost in translation? Surely they were nowhere near each other?"


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    #103
    dastardly00
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    https://twitter.com/friebos/status/1321887173654777857


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    #104
    wirelessdude01
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    Do they publish the reason and evidence for disqualification?


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    #105
    eagle eye
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    breezy1985 wrote:
    I think if Sam had let him in closer before he hit him the same barge suddenly looks defensive in a replay and he gets off with it
    This is spot on. He made the move too early, he would have come closer and then it'd certainly have been deemed self-defense.
    happytramp wrote:
    Cyclingnews official stage preview for tomorrow says "last 2k rise at an average of 5% but shouldn't overly trouble the sprinters and their trains".... hmmm, does that add up?
    I severely doubt this.


    I think we are all on the same side as regards wanting Sam to win. What he did has resulted in disqualification consistently over the last couple of years. We just have to accept this is how cycling works these days.


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    #106
    happytramp
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    This is spot on. He made the move too early, he would have come closer and then it'd certainly have been deemed self-defense.


    I severely doubt this.


    I think we are all on the same side as regards wanting Sam to win. What he did has resulted in disqualification consistently over the last couple of years. We just have to accept this is how cycling works these days.

    Absolutely not... I 100% believe if we complain hard enough on social media we can get the DQ overturned. Worked with Thierry Henry's handball didn't it?


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    #107
    harringtonp
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    When I saw it I thought that's trouble, was then surprised to see him give the interview with everything looking fine.

    Its something he needs to watch, anyone remember the triple Quintana bump in the middle of a stage ? He got cited for that too.


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    #108
    happytramp
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    harringtonp wrote: »
    When I saw it I thought that's trouble, was then surprised to see him give the interview with everything looking fine.

    Its something he needs to watch, anyone remember the triple Quintana bump in the middle of a stage ? He got cited for that too.

    Yeah, he was criticised early in his career for not being assertive enough in the sprint... Kelly always said he needed to throw his shoulder about a bit more. That's probably where its coming from.


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    #109
    breezy1985
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    happytramp wrote: »
    Absolutely not... I 100% believe if we complain hard enough on social media we can get the DQ overturned. Worked with Thierry Henry's handball didn't it?

    Make Sammy B number 33


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    #110
    mr spuckler
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    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    Do they publish the reason and evidence for disqualification?

    From here
    The UCI issued a belated statement about the relegation: "UCI Commissaires’ Panel relegated rider Sam Bennett (Deceuninck–Quick-Step) for shouldering off another rider at 500m to go of the 9th stage of La Vuelta. The decision, taken unanimously, was based on television footage and taken as per article 2.12.007 of UCI Regulations sanctioning 'deviation from the chosen line or irregular sprint'. Both the rider and the team’s Sports Director have been heard by the Panel."


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    #111
    mr spuckler
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    happytramp wrote: »
    Any chance for Sam tomorrow?

    The profile suggests it's unlikely to me, last 1.5km at 5.9% and a good few bumps in the last 60km or so.

    That said the current betting is a bit bizarre!

    Sam 5/4
    Aranburu 12/1
    Roglic 14/1
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    Ackermann 28/1


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    #112
    Chivito550
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    mr spuckler wrote: »
    The profile suggests it's unlikely to me, last 1.5km at 5.9% and a good few bumps in the last 60km or so.

    That said the current betting is a bit bizarre!

    Sam 5/4
    Aranburu 12/1
    Roglic 14/1
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    Ackermann 28/1

    Sean Kelly was saying on the Breakaway that assuming the weather is calm tomorrow and the peleton doesn't get broken up by crosswinds, that he finds it hard to see anyone beating Bennett.


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    #113
    [Deleted User]
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    Wasn't there a stage in Turkey with a similar finish he won? Burgos this year but that was largely determined by the team getting him there first and others looking around and a crash while he buried himself.


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    #114
    CramCycle
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    Weepsie wrote: »
    I said when Sagan was demoted at the tour de France that people would have been saying "oh that's racing" if it were Sam and thus it presents itself today.

    Sagans was of course slightly different as it was at the sprint, be he also (and it wasn't taken into account) had some moron spectator dangle a selfie stick out in front of him at the time
    Sagan and Cavendish have gotten away with far worse, only in the last year they have been reigned in.
    happytramp wrote: »
    Absolutely not... I 100% believe if we complain hard enough on social media we can get the DQ overturned. Worked with Thierry Henry's handball didn't it?
    Worked for Cavendish, he got a rider thrown out for less


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    #115
    [Deleted User]
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    Great interview with Nico Roche on the breakaway tonight. Could see him as a DS in a few years.


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    #116
    eagle eye
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    CramCycle wrote:
    Sagan and Cavendish have gotten away with far worse, only in the last year they have been reigned in.
    Satan was DQ'd from the Tour a couple of years back.


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    #117
    CramCycle
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    Satan was DQ'd from the Tour a couple of years back.

    Because of Cavendish moaning on social media, plenty of times Sagan should have been DQd, that wasn't one of them


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    #118
    dastardly00
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    Satan was DQ'd from the Tour a couple of years back.

    You mean Didi The Devil? :D

    tour-de-france-didi-devil1.jpg


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    #119
    happytramp
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7QDJucsaaY

    This is today's finish I believe.


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    #120
    Steve SilverMint
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Great interview with Nico Roche on the breakaway tonight. Could see him as a DS in a few years.

    Yes for sure Nico has a head on his shoulders. He was a great signing for Sunweb.

    On a side note I’m really enjoying the breakaway, Dan Lloyd, Kelly and Smith are great on it. Not as keen on Wiggins but what can you do


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    #121
    Raoul Duke
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    happytramp wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7QDJucsaaY

    This is today's finish I believe.

    If that matches today's stage, then it looks like another stage win for Roglic for me. I don't know what sprinters there were in that peloton or what the rest of the stage looked like (it might have been a mountainy stage), but it ended up being a GC/classics rider battle.

    Edit: Actually found this in on some website, "We were here in 2008, but the stage was harder than this. When the bunch got to the finish, the peloton was already quite small, and Bettini won the sprint ahead of Rebellin and Cunego. The final kilometre seems to go on forever, it is harder than it looks on paper."

    So maybe Sam has a chance.


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