Star Trek Discovery S03E03 'People of Earth' - Discussion

corkie

TheValeyard wrote: »

Not sure how the whole Trill symboinat surviving in a human??? Makes zero sense.



The tree was cool.

^^^ The tree was a green screen as shown on 'The Ready Room'.

"However, Riker's body begins to deteriorate due to the incompatibility of different biologies."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Host_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation)

In the years that have past the Trill may have developed medicine that overcomes that limitation. Or 'Adira' may have been more compatible?

It will be explained next week:- Next Episode have us visiting Trill Home-world.

PirateShampoo

Goodshape wrote: »

Needs to be straight or it doesn't count.

I think the criteria is straight, white, male, main character, decent rank, human, good guy.

The rest is just woke. Grrrr.

Your the one bringing his sexuality into it. I couldn't give a monkeys if he was gay or straight. Isn't he pretty much a guest star?

Slydice

Oh! I liked that episode!

What gives?! How come my huge takeaway was a reminder of Boothby?! He wasn't even in this episode. Jeez he really musta left an impresssion!

I'd guessed the raiders were from the Solar System but my guess was Mars. Titan makes a lot of sense. After my original guess though, I'd imagine there must be a bunch more settlements around the other planets and likely in the asteroid field. Some must have come together. All the same, the effect of the burn has been bigger than I'd imagined... though.. at least we're not back to pre-first-contact level post-nuclear-and-genetic-wars-apocolypse-part-II.

I'd guessed the girl faked the transmission but a huge OOOHHHHHH!! when she was Trill. Like .. OF COURSE..

Someone else posted in another thread about the Romulans and their singularity drives. Other civilisations had other drives too so a lot of open questions still.

Discovery has gotta up it's tech if they're gonna hang around. Shields and Weapons and Scanners at least! UE just bursting in through the shields like that. Anyone else and ye're probably in a lot more trouble.

Evade

Slydice wrote: »

Someone else posted in another thread about the Romulans and their singularity drives. Other civilisations had other drives too so a lot of open questions still.

Except there can't be other drives otherwise the former Federation would have adapted it or those races would have taken over.

AMKC

Here is another thing. How did anyone on Discovery know about Quantum Torpedos as they had not been invented in there time? They were not invented untill the late 24 century around the time the Enterprise E was launched.

corkie

^^^ They didn't mention what type the Torpedos where, only 'Book' did and he is familiar with them. 32:00

Banana Republic 1

PirateShampoo wrote: »

I don't understand what your point is other than the 2 supporting characters you named have actual character, unlike the cast of the current show.

My point is other than Pike (who was excellent) there have been no White Men who arnt protagonists. Every scene seems to be an "Avengers" moment of women power.

Yes it is a woman power show, there’s nothing at all wrong with that except the writing is so poor it does no justice to the idea. Pike was good except he was constantly undermined by Burnham. Take the character Georgeio there is such potential there but they reduce her to flat one liners which is a real shame. That’s why there is so much back and forth camera shots to add an air of dynamism without this would be truly awful. The magnanimous commander Burnham gifts captain saru with the captaincy of the ship come on.

Banana Republic 1

AMKC wrote: »

Here is another thing. How did anyone on Discovery know about Quantum Torpedos as they had not been invented in there time? They were not invented untill the late 24 century around the time the Enterprise E was launched.

I think what’s more odd is that they still use quantum torpeados 700 years in the future and that one belt from the 32 centuries weapons didn’t blast a 900 year old ship to hell

The writers are unable to come up with any of there own ideas.

CramCycle

All issues with the episode aside, its tough reading some of the idiotic BS in here. Yes Trek is woke, always has been but in a way that says its not, as in, in the future, this sh1t doesn't matter. Anyone who looks at the colour of a characters skin, or there sexuality and gets annoyed by it can't really be a Trek fan because, most Trek fans wouldn't f*cking notice. They are just characters in a story, and while it has implications for us today and its great to see characters with a variety of backgrounds, all it really does is make it more realistic that no one notices. I really hope if my kids watch Trek growing up, they get a few years before they get onto forums like this where people point out what they quite rightly didn't notice.

Banana Republic 1

corkie wrote: »

^^^ The tree was a green screen as shown on 'The Ready Room'.

"However, Riker's body begins to deteriorate due to the incompatibility of different biologies."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Host_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation)

In the years that have past the Trill may have developed medicine that overcomes that limitation. Or 'Adira' may have been more compatible?

It will be explained next week:- Next Episode have us visiting Trill Home-world.

Riker was a man that was the problem there. The writing here is so poor it does no favours to any social concept or canon.

Banana Republic 1

CramCycle wrote: »

All issues with the episode aside, its tough reading some of the idiotic BS in here. Yes Trek is woke, always has been but in a way that says its not, as in, in the future, this sh1t doesn't matter. Anyone who looks at the colour of a characters skin, or there sexuality and gets annoyed by it can't really be a Trek fan because, most Trek fans wouldn't f*cking notice. They are just characters in a story, and while it has implications for us today and its great to see characters with a variety of backgrounds, all it really does is make it more realistic that no one notices. I really hope if my kids watch Trek growing up, they get a few years before they get onto forums like this where people point out what they quite rightly didn't notice.

The problem with this show is it so poorly written and the characters are not developed at all their just one dimensional cliches

Stark

Goodshape wrote: »

Probably best not to feed the trolls on these threads tbh. "Where'd all teh white males go though" ZZZZZzzzzzzz.

Stuck with the mental video of a 40 year old virgin singing a paraphrased version of Bonnie Tylor in his bedroom after reading that one. "Where have all the white men gone and where are all the steeds? Late at night I toss and I turn and I dream of what I NEED"

corkie

^^^ Immunosuppressants (Anti-Rejection Drugs). Immunosuppressants are medications that help prevent rejection of your transplanted kidney.

Immunosuppressants are drugs or medicines that lower the body's ability to reject a transplanted organ. Another term for these drugs is anti-rejection drugs. There are 2 types of immunosuppressants: Induction drugs: Powerful antirejection medicine used at the time of transplant.

And I'm not going to be dragged in to gender discussions. 'Adira' actor is non-binary.


Trek/Kirk where famous for the One-liners! >>> "I canna' change the laws of physics." <<<< But sci-fi can rewrite them.

Stark

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Riker was a man that was the problem there. The writing here is so poor it does no favours to any social concept or canon.

"Needs to be a woman in order to be host to another organism". Total "woke" **** right there :pac:

CramCycle

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

The problem with this show is it so poorly written and the characters are not developed at all their just cliches.

Which is a fair point, people complaining that two actors are the same colour is beyond stupid, any Trek fan of a youthful age would not have even noticed and those of us older and aware of the sh1tty world we live in would think, it is the future, no one would f*cking notice. Instead we have people complaining about it as if its an issue with the show.

The show has many issues, mainly poor writing, not thinking things through or Micheals ham acting which actually seems worse this season.

You want valid complaints:

- Book and Burnham depth and experiences are unbelievable in a year
- Burnhams changes in personality in such a short time frame are hard to believe
- Mirror Universe emperor being let wander round without escort is beyond unbelievable based in the tech they have, more believable on the Enterprise D where the ship tracks everything but BS here.
- They are ripping Andromeda which I barely remember but I can't remember much positive about it
- Maybe its my memory but the spore drive, were there not issues
- Why is Stamets so trusting, he is not that stupid
- As with the last two episodes, a decent editor could have made it great

Banana Republic 1

CramCycle wrote: »

Which is a fair point, people complaining that two actors are the same colour is beyond stupid, any Trek fan of a youthful age would not have even noticed and those of us older and aware of the sh1tty world we live in would think, it is the future, no one would f*cking notice. Instead we have people complaining about it as if its an issue with the show.

The show has many issues, mainly poor writing, not thinking things through or Micheals ham acting which actually seems worse this season.

You want valid complaints:

- Book and Burnham depth and experiences are unbelievable in a year
- Burnhams changes in personality in such a short time frame are hard to believe
- Mirror Universe emperor being let wander round without escort is beyond unbelievable based in the tech they have, more believable on the Enterprise D where the ship tracks everything but BS here.
- They are ripping Andromeda which I barely remember but I can't remember much positive about it
- Maybe its my memory but the spore drive, were there not issues
- Why is Stamets so trusting, he is not that stupid
- As with the last two episodes, a decent editor could have made it great

The rip off everything on this show the spore drive from a Japanese comic artist guy who is suing them now, the iron man suite Burnham had, the raiders who were humans that idea is from the movie oblivion....
The actor who plays book is in a superior show on Netflix called Nightflyers written by j r r Martin they canceled that, which was film in Limerick, and continued paying for this trash,?

Smacruairi

Sorry, can I give out about the Tree again. For a show that actually thrives on great visuals, the tree was absolutely cat.

It surprised me that we got a shot of Book with his shirt off in the Thor pose, but not him looking at Mick in a similar situation.

It annoyed me that Saru had to get Micks blessing to be true captain, this thread has been calling for it for 2 years.

The trill being non binary actually kinda makes sense in the truest woke starfleet sense. I think it's actually the only thing this series has done well on the whole identity politics thing. I actually look forward to seeing how they develop.

Burnham saving the day... Again.

And I'm still correct on my assertion from the last thread. They all seem like that defiant class ship that Nog found in DS9. Why can't they be adults? Tilly looks like the "mad aunt" who wants to sing Tina Turner at a wedding, why does she sound 17.

(glad I got that off my chest. I love star trek, but it's either moan here or go to the spare room because the wife won't listen to me anymore)

Banana Republic 1

Smacruairi wrote: »

Sorry, can I give out about the Tree again. For a show that actually thrives on great visuals, the tree was absolutely cat.

It surprised me that we got a shot of Book with his shirt off in the Thor pose, but not him looking at Mick in a similar situation.

It annoyed me that Saru had to get Micks blessing to be true captain, this thread has been calling for it for 2 years.

The trill being non binary actually kinda makes sense in the truest woke starfleet sense. I think it's actually the only thing this series has done well on the whole identity politics thing. I actually look forward to seeing how they develop.

Burnham saving the day... Again.

And I'm still correct on my assertion from the last thread. They all seem like that defiant class ship that Nog found in DS9. Why can't they be adults? Tilly looks like the "mad aunt" who wants to sing Tina Turner at a wedding, why does she sound 17.

(glad I got that off my chest. I love star trek, but it's either moan here or go to the spare room because the wife won't listen to me anymore)

I actually think you’re spot on with the DS 9 reference. However I disagree on the identity politics point. I think they rely only on cliches for example only women display emotion and the one straight man who did was weak and was raped by a Klingon the other two are gay. Tilly is young women who is an emotional wreck that suffers from imposter syndrome..

Smacruairi

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

I actually think you’re spot on with the DS 9 reference. However I disagree on the identity politics point. I think they rely only on cliches for example only women display emotion and the one straight man who did was weak and was raped by a Klingon the other two are gay. Tilly is young women who is an emotional wreck that suffers from imposter syndrome..

I think they're all hyper emotional so I dunno. Also, pike was awesome so...? It was a great way to diffuse that argument in fairness, intentionally or not!

Just watched the Ds9 episode where Vics is taken over by the mob. The ultimate ensemble piece, tension from easy stakes explained before the title card, a self contained story, a surprise that was logical, but dealt with by low key adult ways (Bashir was awesome), but with miles as comedy and sisko actually trying to bring in identity politics and the missus saying "ah Ben, come on, grow up, its a holosuite". The set is also appalling which makes it funnier.

I think that's the difference, I came away not asking questions of the plot and motivation, I felt I had to introspect about am I happy with glossing over certain aspects of culture to just enjoy a time period. Whereas disco almost invites me to interrogate the show, not myself. Then again it's 1am on a Fri so

FunLover18

In relation to the nom-binary character, they were definitely referred to as "she" which I thought was odd.

~Rebel~

Some ok bits, but ultimately found a lot of it a bit irritating, with the ok bits being pretty bland and inconsequential.

I think at this stage I'm just ready to be irritated as each episode starts up :-/

They really need to bring on some writers that can just write normal emotion/dialogue for Burnham.
Every. Single. Line. is so incredibly overwrought. Every little revelation sees her looking confused at an existential level.

Also every interaction between Burnham and Book seemed to follow - "Hey, remember when..."

And I still have no idea why they stuck with the one-year thing, when it would have been far stronger had it been longer, and would also make more sense in the context of how much she's supposedly changed, and all the adventures she's had. Also, hair grows, like, 6 inches a year. She's got a loooot of growth to account for!

Speaking of how much she's changed, she really really reminds me of those people who go backpacking for 6 months and come back with dreads, a pukka necklace, and this faux wisdom from broadening their horizons, which they bring up every 5 minutes.

Finally - and nothing to do with this episode, but it really bugs me that there's just a whole random crew of strangers walking around. Like, the lead crew finished the last season being all like "we're in this together Michael, we're with you!". But what about Crewman Johnny toilet cleaner, wtf is he doing a thousand years in the future working for a bunch of folks that don't even give him a nod in the hallway? In every populated scene, I find myself ignoring the central characters and just watching these poor souls who were whisked off from everything they'd known and loved to do menial chores in the future.

Finally finally, i'd have liked them to make a bigger deal of spending a beat on Earth as a recharge, rather than "enjoy your 5 minutes". Like, just give them a few days... many of them are surely more attached to the idea of Earth than the jingoism of Starfleet. I'd have even liked a few of the aforementioned Crewmen to say they'd like to hop off the Burnham McGuffin-train and stay on Earth.

Ps. Transportation has turned into Apparation. Neat.

Rawr

Smacruairi wrote: »

And I'm still correct on my assertion from the last thread. They all seem like that defiant class ship that Nog found in DS9. Why can't they be adults?

They are Discovery Squad! And they can do ANYTHING!
*Gets blown out of sky by Jem Hadar*

Ohhh...I was going to wait with this episode, but when I saw the title I thought "Oooo Earth! I have to watch this one...." But after this week's show I think I'm going to stop checking in every week, and after only 3 episodes that doesn't bode well.

I might do a marathon viewing in a few weeks but while watching this episode I felt what little enthusiasm I had left for the show just ebb away from me. I just can't be pushed to check in every week anymore.

The episode itself wasn't horrible. There appears to have been an *attempt* to tone Burnham down, to the point where they have to actually mention in script that they've toned her down. However, they haven't really done that. Getting the actress to smile more often and display a better range of emotions than just shock and/or mock rage does help a lot, but it feels superficial. I'm not sure it will last the season.

I'm getting the impression that the producers of this show have never had a hard year. If they had, they would understand that if they were in the middle of mad, hectic, stressful year, then that year has a knack of flying by at shocking speed. A year is NOTHING, and making it seem like Micheal has been out in the wilderness for "so long" just comes off as silly. If they had been willing to add 10 years to the character I would have had a lot of respect for them, but alas they couldn't manage it.

Captain Saru is a great Starfleet captain. I've always liked the character and he earned the Big Chair *aaaaaages* ago. I am kind of pissed that he felt the need to ask the officer who punched his last Captain *to start a war*, for permission to take the chair. And then after committing an offence that would normally be grounds for her demotion, Burnham assumes that Saru will give her the XO spot and accepts it before he even asks. Like last time, the plot is really still being built around Burnham. It feels like they haven't learned a damned thing! Very disappointing.

For a brief moment on the approach to Earth I was excited about the possibilities of what we might see. But then I find myself very underwhelmed by this United Earth thing. Also why aren't they at least being like the Enterprise-era United Earth and maintain a handful of colonies? Were they really so feckless that they couldn't keep tabs on the local in-system colonies?

Also that whole fight at the end felt poorly plotted out and the pacing problems they had in Season 2 have returned. Right after Red Alert was called, the stress of battle is suddenly deflated by Burnham visiting a very mellow mess-hall where Book and a handful of others are leisurely sitting around in a brightly lit room *without* an alarm klaxon going off. That's not how this works; you wouldn't call Battle Stations or Red Alert in any other Trek show and then suddenly find the crew having a relaxing drink at Quarks or at Ten Forward. It's all hands on deck, and to battle stations! The way they did this completely derailed the scene, which just reinforces my fear that the producers don't know what they are doing.

So yea...it wasn't horrible, but it wasn't much of an improvement over a passible Season 2 episode whenever they happened. I've lost what little excitement for this show I had and might do that episode marathon later as background noise while I do some work. There is a slither of hope within me that something good turns up during that marathon, but it is a tiny slither.

It is a damn shame, it would not have taken them much work to make this a good Trek show, but they've doubled down on their bad habits and just can't get there. Whoever is writing Lower Decks should be handed the live action stuff too, because they at least seem to know what they are doing.

BKtje

With regards to the torpedoes not instantly destroying the ship. Maybe technological advancement has slown (which would make sense seeing as they still use quantum torpedoes) to a crawl. Similar to what happened during the dark ages. The current galaxy is not exactly shown as being a hospitable place where ideas and scientific discoveries are readily shared.

I hadn't even noticed even noticed the lack of a central male white character and frankly i dont care. This season hasn't blown me away thus far but i still enjoy it, even with its many flaws.

Rawr

BKtje wrote: »

With regards to the torpedoes not instantly destroying the ship. Maybe technological advancement has slown (which would make sense seeing as they still use quantum torpedoes) to a crawl.

One torpedo did take out full shields and trigger a console explosion. That seems about right. A TNG-era ship might manage a couple direct hits with Quantum Torpedoes before dropping.

Banana Republic 1

BKtje wrote: »

With regards to the torpedoes not instantly destroying the ship. Maybe technological advancement has slown (which would make sense seeing as they still use quantum torpedoes) to a crawl. Similar to what happened during the dark ages. The current galaxy is not exactly shown as being a hospitable place where ideas and scientific discoveries are readily shared.

I hadn't even noticed even noticed the lack of a central male white character and frankly i dont care. This season hasn't blown me away thus far but i still enjoy it, even with its many flaws.

I don't know why people keep harping on with this white male stuff, all the male characters in this are routinely belittled regardless of background. In fact all the characters are pathetic cliches.

CramCycle

Rawr wrote: »

One torpedo did take out full shields and trigger a console explosion. That seems about right. A TNG-era ship might manage a couple direct hits with Quantum Torpedoes before dropping.

I thought it was two and the bridge crew did put another word in front of Quantum to make the sound more powerful. I could be wrong. Also TNG was awhile later.

I really liked the Saru going all in on the Starfleet ethos. An unwinnable situation and he kept calm and said we are doing the right thing. It's rare you imagine that a captain actually follows through when there is an out for them.

Evade

Rawr wrote: »

One torpedo did take out full shields and trigger a console explosion. That seems about right. A TNG-era ship might manage a couple direct hits with Quantum Torpedoes before dropping.

Two things on this.

1. It hit the saucer which is mostly devoid of essential ship operations, bridge aside, or anything that can cause a decent secondary explosion.
2. Transparent blast doors can withstand an explosion that rocks another ship a good few kilometers away.

Banana Republic 1

Evade wrote: »

Two things on this.

1. It hit the saucer which is mostly devoid of essential ship operations, bridge aside, or anything that can cause a decent secondary explosion.
2. Transparent blast doors can withstand an explosion that rocks another ship a good few kilometers away.

So on that basis how did Burnham beat the cyborg crew member n a fist fight at the end of series two.

Or how did Burnhams iron man suit disable books space ship.

Evade

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

So on that basis how did Burnham beat the cyborg crew member n a fist fight at the end of series two.

Or how did Burnhams iron man suit disable books space ship.

Because she's Michael Burnham, Saviour of the Multiverse.

Don't mistake my surprised praise of one episode and pointing out hits to the saucer are not usually disastrous as me being a defender of STD.

The blast door remark was me pointing out how absolutely nonsensical this series has been.

corkie

FunLover18 wrote: »

In relation to the nom-binary character, they were definitely referred to as "she" which I thought was odd.

The characters who referred to 'They' that way where not in the know and just assumed female.

"The whole year before I got this job, I was struggling a lot with trying to understand who I was and struggling a lot with my gender. I was questioning a lot of things and I started auditioning for non-binary roles because I knew I wasn't cisgender and I was trying to figure myself out. ....."

"Del Barrio credits Star Trek: Discovery stalwarts Wilson Cruz and Anthony Rapp, who themselves made history playing Star Trek's first openly gay characters, for their guidance throughout the process. "They helped me in more ways than I can describe," they praise. In a chat with ET, del Barrio discusses getting cast as Adira, why the character doesn't identity as non-binary right off the bat and being a part of the queer family on the Discovery set."
https://www.etonline.com/star-trek-discovery-blu-del-barrio-on-playing-franchises-first-non-binary-character-exclusive

Only coming out after getting the role.