Three dead as woman beheaded in France

biko

Breaking story
https://in.reuters.com/article/france-security-nice/three-dead-as-woman-beheaded-in-knife-attack-at-french-church-idINKBN27E189

A knife-wielding attacker shouting “Allahu Akbar” beheaded a woman and killed two other people in a suspected terrorist act at a church in the French city of Nice on Thursday, while a man waving a gun was shot dead by police in a separate incident.

After the Nice attack, Prime Minister Jean Castex raised France’s security alert to its highest level and said the government’s response would be firm and implacable.

Estrosi said the Nice attacker had repeatedly shouted the phrase “Allahu Akbar” even being detained by police.

One of the people killed inside the church was believed to be the church warden, Estrosi said, adding that one woman had escaped from inside the church into a bar opposite the 19th century neo-Gothic building.

“The suspected knife attacker was shot by police while being detained. He is on his way to hospital, he is alive,” Estrosi told reporters.

Possibly/Probably connected to the beheaded teacher Samuel Paty and the French reaction which was to deport many islamists.

PointHop123

Oh no. Are the Quakers acting up again?

JimToken

Why did they shoot him if he was only waving the gun?

Prob wanted to hand himself in, idiots

Wanderer78

Peter Sampson wrote:

This is why Poland and Hungary refuse to take muslim immigrants.

We must be getting different ones then

ThewhiteJesus

it's awful, but then i completely disagree with showing pictures of Mohammed when it's a clearly a very personal and upsetting thing for any muslim to see. Why purposely try upset people, it's only one image and plenty of ways around it.
Does it mean it's ok to murder, of course not but it's looking for trouble imo

Kermit.de.frog

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

it's awful, but then i completely disagree with showing pictures of Mohammed when it's a clearly a very personal and upsetting thing for any muslim to see. Why purposely try upset people, it's only one image and plenty of ways around it.
Does it mean it's ok to murder, of course not but it's looking for trouble imo

In any democracy you should be allowed make fun of any sky god you like in my considered opinion.

biko

It's not entirely clear it is connected to the cartoon of Mohammed but since it's so recent I'd say it's a good guess.

RIP poor innocent woman.

Nekarsulm

If people don't like living in a Republic where Church and State are separate, and freedom of expression allowed, there are many other countries more suited to their mind set.
France would be happy to see them go.

Wanderer78

Kermit.de.frog wrote:

In any democracy you should be be allowed make fun of any sky god you like in my considered opinion.

I don't see any harm in you taking the pi$$ outta your own sky God, but i think it's extremely disrespectful to take the pi$$ outta others

ThewhiteJesus

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

In any democracy you should be be allowed make fun of any sky god you like in my considered opinion.

This is the selfish view that alot of people have, i don't believe or have faith so therefore it doesn't matter to me.

biko

I don't understand why you in 2020 could even contemplate murder to be anything but a truly insane and criminal response to cartoons.

seamus

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

This is the selfish view that alot of people have, i don't believe or have faith so therefore it doesn't matter to me.

That's funny. The selfish view is in fact, "I believe this thing therefore everyone else must respect it".

Everyone has the right to believe what they want. That right does not extend to protecting your belief from ridicule or giving you special rights because you hold it.

ThunbergsAreGo

Wanderer78 wrote: »

I don't see any harm in you taking the pi$$ outta your own sky God, but i think it's extremely disrespectful to take the pi$$ outta others

Christians/Catholics get by far the most abuse and piss taking in Ireland for their views , mostly by atheists (such as myself).

ThewhiteJesus

biko wrote: »

I don't understand why you in 2020 could even contemplate murder to be anything but a truly insane and criminal response to cartoons.

Of course it is, but it's equally insane to do something that you know will ignite anger in a huge section of society for no good reason but to make fun of their beliefs.

Wanderer78

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Christians/Catholics get by far the most abuse and piss taking in Ireland for their views , mostly by atheists (such as myself).

ah shur, all religions probably do, theres nothing special about us regarding this one

Mad_maxx

but but but but but but but but but but but but but

" the far right "

uptherebels

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

This is the selfish view that alot of people have, i don't believe or have faith so therefore it doesn't matter to me.

Not at all. A persons religious beliefs are their own. If others choose to mock their belief, eat pork, wear short skirts, work on a sunday etc etc. That is of no concern to the believers. There is no point in going to a country that allows you the freedom to practice your religion and then using violence because others dont follow your beliefs.

MrMusician18

Mad_maxx wrote: »

but but but but but but but but but but but but but

" the far right "

Presumably islamic fundamentalism would be a far right belief?

ThewhiteJesus

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

Of course it is, but it's equally insane to do something that you know will ignite anger in a huge section of society for no good reason but to make fun of their beliefs.

Freedom of expression is the cornerstone of western democracy.

I wouldn't want to offend anyone's beliefs, but I should (and do) have the freedom to ridicule anyone I want.

Mad_maxx

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Presumably islamic fundamentalism would be a far right belief?

No , only white westerners can be labelled " far right "

despite isamist ideology being explicitly fascist by any objective measure

breezy1985

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

Of course it is, but it's equally insane to do something that you know will ignite anger in a huge section of society for no good reason but to make fun of their beliefs.

Firstly not doing something for fear of violent retaliation is bullying at the highest level.

And if atheists can't say god is fake then do we all so ban priests and the like from telling me I am evil and going to hell for being atheist in case it upsets me.

ThewhiteJesus

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

it's awful, but then i completely disagree with showing pictures of Mohammed when it's a clearly a very personal and upsetting thing for any muslim to see. Why purposely try upset people, it's only one image and plenty of ways around it.
Does it mean it's ok to murder, of course not but it's looking for trouble imo

Name doesn't tie into respect for religion....

I'd advocate that everyone in France does what the Brits did for the NHS but instead of a rainbow, put a picture of Mohammad in your window in solidarity to those who were slain.

**** Mohammad and **** anyone who thinks I shouldn't say that.

Wanderer78

Wanderer78 wrote: »

I don't see any harm in you taking the pi$$ outta your own sky God, but i think it's extremely disrespectful to take the pi$$ outta others

No it isn't. And even if it was, why should I show them respect? They have no right to assume or demand my respect.

biko

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

Of course it is, but it's equally insane to do something that you know will ignite anger in a huge section of society for no good reason but to make fun of their beliefs.

Maybe it's an insane thing to do but if you don't then you adopt the "if we don't provoke the bear it won't eat us" stance you appear to have.
Guess what, it will eat you anyway. Almost 300 people killed in 3 years in France alone, and not one of them did a cartoon.

ebbsy

Trump was right.

That's horrific. That poor lady.

ThewhiteJesus

uptherebels wrote: »

Not at all. A persons religious beliefs are their own. If others choose to mock their belief, eat pork, wear short skirts, work on a sunday etc etc. That is of no concern to the believers. There is no point in going to a country that allows you the freedom to practice your religion and then using violence because others dont follow your beliefs.

Wow you sound like a delightful person.
So if you choose to marry a certain girl, is it ok for me to mock her to you because she's chubby or ugly but it's your belief that she's not ?
Of course not, but i'm sure you'll get loads of thanks from other back clapping covert anti muslim types.

ThewhiteJesus

biko wrote: »

Maybe it's an insane thing to do but if you don't then you adopt the "if we don't provoke the bear it won't eat us" stance you appear to have.
Guess what, it will eat you anyway. Almost 300 people killed in 3 years in France alone, and not one of them did a cartoon.

No that's a really silly comparison come on.

ThewhiteJesus

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

Wow you sound like a delightful person.
So if you choose to marry a certain girl, is it ok for me to mock her to you because she's chubby or ugly but it's your belief that she's not ?
Of course not, but i'm sure you'll get loads of thanks from other back clapping covert anti muslim types.

I am anti Islam. I'm not anti muslim.

Are you not the type to accuse people of victim blaming? Yet here you are rationalising or attempting to give validity to the reason a guy chopped the head off an old lady.

Have a word with yourself white Jesus (offensive to some by the way)

Wibbs

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

Of course it is, but it's equally insane to do something that you know will ignite anger in a huge section of society for no good reason but to make fun of their beliefs.

That's the view of the fearful and that passiveness needs to stop, because it'll garner no respect and the culture will be seen as a soft touch. Rightfully. And western culture is very much seen as a soft touch. Well it plainly is. The lack of confidence in European culture out there is pretty strong and it's a bloody nonsense. If someone wants to fit in then fine, if not drive them out and back to the places and culture that apparently suit them better. And no I don't care how many generations they may be here. Never mind those who claim "asylum" yet want to reproduce the same idiocy here in Europe.

ceadaoin.

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

it's awful, but then i completely disagree with showing pictures of Mohammed when it's a clearly a very personal and upsetting thing for any muslim to see. Why purposely try upset people, it's only one image and plenty of ways around it.
Does it mean it's ok to murder, of course not but it's looking for trouble imo

Why purposely try to upset people, its only women not showing their hair and bodies and plenty of ways around it.
Why purposely try to upset people, its only gay couples showing affection in public and plenty of ways around it.
Why purposely try to upset people, its only consuming alcohol in a bar and plenty of ways around it
Why purposely try to upset people, its only going to church and plenty of ways around it.
Why purposely try to upset people, its only being Jewish and plenty of ways around it.

This is the road you go down when you start trying to appease extremists. All of those things and more would be "asking for trouble". Nothing is good enough for them but a total erasure of the western way of life. Is that ok with you? Also, victim blame much?

amacca

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

Of course it is, but it's equally insane to do something that you know will ignite anger in a huge section of society for no good reason but to make fun of their beliefs.

What if their beliefs anger me? What rights do I have?

ThewhiteJesus

Deleted User wrote: »

I am anti Islam. I'm not anti muslim.

Are you not the type to accuse people of victim blaming? Yet here you are rationalising or attempting to give validity to the reason a guy chopped the head off an old lady.

Have a word with yourself white Jesus (offensive to some by the way)

No you are completely missing the point, even though i spelled it out in black and white.

Wibbs

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

So if you choose to marry a certain girl, is it ok for me to mock her to you because she's chubby or ugly but it's your belief that she's not ?

It's not OK, but one shouldn't expect that somebody have their head cut off by a knife over it. That is the action of a primitive.

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

No that's a really silly comparison come on.

Actually it's quite the apt comparison.

John Frank Wilson

Depressing times, these past few years. Not all Muslims are terrorists – but most terrorists do happen to be Muslims. It's just a fact. Don't behead the messenger. And I know 'one man's terrorist, is another man's freedom fighter' and all that jazz, and that is true to an extent - but it doesn't apply to Radical Islam, beheading innocent civilians in a church is not 'freedom fighting', it's an abomination of all that is good in the world. It is the lowest of the low. The dirt on my shoe is Godly in comparison, God bless the dirt on my f***ing shoe - for it is a higher entity than the twisted f***er who perpetrated this, and the hundreds of similar attacks - all in the name of 'peace'.

Religion of peace, indeed.

ThewhiteJesus

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Why purposely try to upset people, its only women not showing their hair and bodies and plenty of ways around it.
Why purposely try to upset people, its only gay couples showing affection in public and plenty of ways around it.
Why purposely try to upset people, its only consuming alcohol in a bar and plenty of ways around it
Why purposely try to upset people, its only going to church and plenty of ways around it.
Why purposely try to upset people, its only being Jewish and plenty of ways around it.

This is the road you go down when you start trying to appease extremists. Nothing is good enough for them but a total erasure of the western way of life. Is that ok with you? Also, victim blame much?

what your saying is so much worse than your alleged victim blaming slur on me which is incorrect, again as i have spelled out.
why you people can't see that is strange to me.
Much like the traveller threads, people can do and say what they like about muslims/travellers as if they are all exactly the same, sub human.
and no warnings, yet i have had some really lame ones(warnings) in others threads over nothing.
Funny that

ThewhiteJesus

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

No you are completely missing the point, even though i spelled it out in black and white.

No I am not. You said printing pictures of Mohammad was terribly upsetting for the poor Muslim lad and was looking for trouble.

To that I reply, ask my hole. It takes a special kind of indoctrination to make someone upset at a picture but absolutely fine with carving a head off a granny.

Animals.

s1ippy

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

In any democracy you should be be allowed make fun of any sky god you like in my considered opinion.

You have offended C'thulu and you shall pay the ultimate price on the day of reckoning. Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.

biko

Again in Nice - 4 years ago a truck rammed through people for Bastille Day.
The driver Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, killed 86 people and injured of 458 others.
Not one had done a single thing to provoke the attack.

I'm willing to bet not one killed today did anything to provoke the attack.


Just in, the mayor names today a terrorist attack.

ceadaoin.

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

what your saying is so much worse than your alleged victim blaming slur on me which is incorrect, again as i have spelled out.
why you people can't see that is strange to me.
Much like the traveller threads, people can do and say what they like about muslims/travellers as if they are all exactly the same, sub human.
and no warnings, yet i have had some really lame ones(warnings) in others threads over nothing.
Funny that

I said extremists, not Muslims. Are you denying that extremists have attacked people for doing those things?

I'm sorry but saying that the teacher was "asking for trouble" IS victim blaming.

ThewhiteJesus

Wibbs wrote: »

It's not OK, but one shouldn't expect that somebody have their head cut off by a knife over it. That is the action of a primitive.

Actually it's quite the apt comparison.

never said it was ok wibbs perhaps read what i actually said,
and no the comparison is that of a child or a buffoon.

ThewhiteJesus

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

what your saying is so much worse than your alleged victim blaming slur on me which is incorrect, again as i have spelled out.
why you people can't see that is strange to me.
Much like the traveller threads, people can do and say what they like about muslims/travellers as if they are all exactly the same, sub human.
and no warnings, yet i have had some really lame ones in others threads over nothing.
Funny that

I've spelled out that I have no issues with Muslims

I do have issues with Islam

I do have issues with people who come to the west and feel justified to slaughter old women because they don't like a picture.

I do have issues with anyone who even remotely "understands" why they felt the need to do it.

If you feel so strongly about your God, **** off to a place where laws prevent him being ridiculed.

ThewhiteJesus

Deleted User wrote: »

No I am not. You said printing pictures of Mohammad was terribly upsetting for the poor Muslim lad and was looking for trouble.

To that I reply, ask my hole. It takes a special kind of indoctrination to make someone upset at a picture but absolutely fine with carving a head off a granny.

Animals.

You are totally missing the point, and using language of a neanderthal with not mask that fact.

ThewhiteJesus

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

You are totally missing the point, and using language of a neanderthal with not mask that fact.

You take more of an issue with my neanderthal language (a misnomer by the way) than you do about the freedom to print a picture that may offend someone.

John Frank Wilson

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

You are totally missing the point, and using language of a neanderthal with not mask that fact.

Better to use the language of a Neanderthal, than excuse the actions of one.

BorneTobyWilde

I find it hard to believe that an otherwise ''normal'' person can commit such acts over a picture. There are millions of Muslims in France and around the world that live in peace, and live and let live.

weldoninhio

Any Islamist terrorist taken alive should be killed by a female and fed to pigs.

Qiaonasen

France should resurrect Robespierre and Danton, fire up the Guillotine, and get cracking on these practitioners of extreme peace

thegetawaycar

WTF is wrong with some people, justifying a killing based on the fact there was a cartoon drawn.

It's very disappointing and complete crap to see people writing that we should never comment or draw Mohammed as it might draw a backlash. If these people don't like living in a country where people have freedom of expression then there are numerous countries that are Islamic kingdoms they can live in.

That religion is treated different to all others in terms of how the radicals are defended and I have no idea why.

Nermal

Do you hope they will spare your head for last, ThewhiteJesus?

biko

A woman has been decapitated, and two others have been killed, during a knife attack inside the Notre Dame Basilica church in the French city of Nice.

Entering a place of worship to kill people inside?
Clearly a religious hate crime. Glad they got the racist that did it.