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Prisons & Sentencing in Ireland

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    #182
    joeguevara
    Registered Users Posts: 8,077 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Why would I need a Senior Counsel? Is that a rank within the profession?

    You will never need one if you keep your nose clean.


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    #183
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Rape, murder, etc go to the central criminal court.
    Terrorism goes to the special criminal court.
    Surely you listen to the news?

    Nope I have no interest in law I told you. I have a serious interest in accountability and public expenditure. I never studied law of any sort, I am studying science.


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    #184
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    here you go https://www.courts.ie/acc/alfresco/cbfc27ea-8a90-4ed5-9ee0-cd1336a6745c/Explaining%20the%20Courts%20Complete%20booklet%20for%20web.pdf/pdf#:~:text=In%20Ireland%2C%20there%20are%20basically,with%20specific%20types%20of%20cases.

    Thank you but I have no interest in being part of the legal system. I have done so many years of my life with out interaction with the guards or the courts. I was hoping to avoid it for the rest of my natural life. I am definitely not doing Jury duty ... EVER!!!


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    #185
    [Deleted User]
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Farmers are very particular, they have their way and ways of doing things. The vast majority of them would not like hired help on their property and just have their own way of doing things and know the intricacies of their own equipment and how to correct it when it goes wrong.

    I grew up on a farm, I have uncles farming that is the way they are. The only time farmers bring in someone is when they are really stuck or cannot manage the work load to bring in contractors.

    That one wont fly with the farming community. My own uncle got sick of being called so just went to the doctor to write him a sick note to get out of it. Start making people pay their own legal fees and see court cases drop.

    I grew up one step removed from farming background on both parents sides. Ive worked on farms. Dairy and cattle. Local farm hands were part of the family. Contractors were usually contracted in for more specialised work (silage). I also know farmers who'd sooner starve then sell a field, but know every habit of each of their couple hundred cows. I know farmers who can hardly read, and farmers with third level qualifications.

    A tractor is a bloody machine, not a bloody rocket. Fixing a PTO , is not like making love to a beautiful woman....


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    #186
    joeguevara
    Registered Users Posts: 8,077 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Thank you but I have no interest in being part of the legal system. I have done so many years of my life with out interaction with the guards or the courts. I was hoping to avoid it for the rest of my natural life. I am definitely not doing Jury duty ... EVER!!!

    I would love to but am prohibited forever for doing so. There is a fascinating documentary that was aired on C4 about 20 years ago about a group of people that thought they were the jurors on a real trial. Amazing insight into the human psyche.


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    #187
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    You think I want to hear about that? Have that going through my head? What kind of individual willing goes to court hoping to be selected for that case? That is the last think I want to hear about and I dont consider it to be my "civic" duty. I am not Johnny Wards peer. This is probably because I was fortunate to have grown up without this stuff. I have never known anyone with these issues in their family.

    No one wants to hear it, but if you want to be part of a civilised society , one needs to play their civic role - when one can.


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    #188
    [Deleted User]
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Did the father punish the child with his sins? Take ownership of your actions

    No, he didnt.
    The child did nothing wrong & yet you think it's reasonable to punish the child?


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    #189
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    joeguevara wrote: »
    I would love to but am prohibited forever for doing so.

    Why (both interest and moral reasoning)? You have the best seat in the house? You have all the knowledge to undertand the case? Why do you want to go and play on the back benches?


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    #190
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    bubblypop wrote: »
    No, he didnt.
    The child did nothing wrong & yet you think it's reasonable to punish the child?

    It should be enough of a deterrent to the father not to commit the crime.


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    #191
    [Deleted User]
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Thank you but I have no interest in being part of the legal system. I have done so many years of my life with out interaction with the guards or the courts. I was hoping to avoid it for the rest of my natural life. I am definitely not doing Jury duty ... EVER!!!

    You have a lot of opinions for a man who knows nothing.
    Maybe you could educate yourself a little if you expect people to take your point of view seriously


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    #192
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    bubblypop wrote: »
    You have a lot of opinions for a man who knows nothing.
    Maybe you could educate yourself a little if you expect people to take your point of view seriously

    I was hoping you were going to congratulate being on being an upstanding citizen for having no criminal record and trying to better myself in life. I never said I knew nothing, you would be very very surprised at my educational background, just not in law.


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    #193
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,462 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    I was hoping you were going to congratulate being on being an upstanding citizen for having no criminal record and trying to better myself in life. I never said I knew nothing, you would be very very surprised at my educational background, just not in law.

    you don't have to, your posts do that for you. you have very strong opinions about things you know nothing about. you thought solicitors charged €500 an house.


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    #194
    Sultan of Bling
    Registered Users Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭Sultan of Bling


    skooterblue2 wrote:
    You know how we could recoup it? There is a particularly nasty job that needs to be done, dredging our waterways, that is project I would like to be put out to prisoners over the summer. Digging silt and doing something positive and its not taking work from decent citizens?


    It'll never work.

    They'll just go to their doctor with their medical cards and get a note to say they can't work because they have a bad back or suffer from depression.


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    #195
    joeguevara
    Registered Users Posts: 8,077 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Sultan of Bling wrote: »
    It'll never work.

    They'll just go to their doctor with their medical cards and get a note to say they can't work because they have a bad back or suffer from depression.

    I don’t know. If I was inside for 20; years and looking at the same 4 walls with nothing to do, I would love being allowed out and doing something to break the monotony. Bit like shawshank putting asphalt on the roof.

    https://youtu.be/w4oPFXWXaDE


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    #196
    McCrack
    Registered Users Posts: 2,972 ✭✭✭McCrack


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Thank you but I have no interest in being part of the legal system. I have done so many years of my life with out interaction with the guards or the courts. I was hoping to avoid it for the rest of my natural life. I am definitely not doing Jury duty ... EVER!!!

    You sound like you might be a bit sheltered

    Read the court service booklet and educate yourself

    Get off the computer and down to the criminal courts of justice and see the real world


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    #197
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    McCrack wrote: »
    You sound like you might be a bit sheltered

    Read the court service booklet and educate yourself

    Get off the computer and down to the criminal courts of justice and see the real world

    Why would you want to see a bubbling pot of human misery and the neighbours dirty washing out on the line to dry? While the legal system makes money off of it? Its like watching vultures stripping a carcass.


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    #198
    joeguevara
    Registered Users Posts: 8,077 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Why would you want to see a bubbling pot of human misery and the neighbours dirty washing out on the line to dry? While the legal system makes money off of it? Its like watching vultures stripping a carcass.

    Have you ever thought that the person was innocent and you were part of the group that vindicated that and made the most important impact of their life.


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    #199
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Have you ever thought that the person was innocent and you were part of the group that vindicated that and made the most important impact of their life.

    Honestly no. Most tales I hear from my wife is someone got sent down properly or someone got off on a technicality. I imagine by the time by a case has been come to the attention of the DPP and weight and prepared and the risk of it failing in court it is fairly water tight. I am open to correction.


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    #200
    McCrack
    Registered Users Posts: 2,972 ✭✭✭McCrack


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Why would you want to see a bubbling pot of human misery and the neighbours dirty washing out on the line to dry? While the legal system makes money off of it? Its like watching vultures stripping a carcass.

    Well continue living in sheltered ignorance listening to your wife's tales and go on the Internet making dumb statements


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    #201
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    McCrack wrote: »
    Well continue living in sheltered ignorance listening to your wife's tales and go on the Internet making dumb statements

    Statement may be dumb but I am willing to learn and ask questions. Maybe if you came into my circle of qualification you might not seem so smart.


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    #202
    [Deleted User]
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Why would you want to see a bubbling pot of human misery and the neighbours dirty washing out on the line to dry? While the legal system makes money off of it? Its like watching vultures stripping a carcass.

    And there is an example of you saying plenty, when you admit yourself you know nothing about the legal system in this country.
    And what does your wife doing that she tells you such things? Maybe she could educate you some?


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    #203
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    bubblypop wrote: »
    And there is an example of you saying plenty, when you admit yourself you know nothing about the legal system in this country.
    And what does your wife doing that she tells you such things? Maybe she could educate you some?

    I have no problem admitting I know very little about the legal system. But I am asking genuine questions. Can you rephrase your first question I cannot understand it. What is your position in the courts system that you can lecture me?


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    #204
    joeguevara
    Registered Users Posts: 8,077 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Statement may be dumb but I am willing to learn and ask questions. Maybe if you came into my circle of qualification you might not seem so smart.

    The dumb comment I believe had nothing to do with intellectual prowess. It probably is in relation to some of the stereotypes that you have mentioned a good few times. People people at the end of the day and you have no right to look down.

    There is no issue with anyone asking questions but why so curious if you are so scathing of the clients.


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    #205
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    I have no problem admitting I know very little about the legal system. But I am asking genuine questions. Can you rephrase your first question I cannot understand it. What is your position in the courts system that you can lecture me?

    I am not lecturing you!
    I wouldn't make massive sweeping statements about science or whatever you said you did, because I don't know enough about it.
    People would answer your questions, if you had any, but you seem to make statements, not ask questions.


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    #206
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    joeguevara wrote: »
    The dumb comment I believe had nothing to do with intellectual prowess. It probably is in relation to some of the stereotypes that you have mentioned a good few times. People people at the end of the day and you have no right to look down.

    There is no issue with anyone asking questions but why so curious if you are so scathing of the clients.

    Its an unprovoked personal attack. I was just brought up to respect your community and neighbours. Yes had a fair strict religious background. Anyone I ever heard of who ever went to court win or lose, still lost. It didnt matter if it was money, prison, dirty linen or what ever. They still lost.

    I know its your business to propagate your own industry. There are surely much better ways to sort things out without getting the guards, social welfare officers or solicitors involved.


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    #207
    joeguevara
    Registered Users Posts: 8,077 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Its an unprovoked personal attack. I was just brought up to respect your community and neighbours. Yes had a fair strict religious background. Anyone I ever heard of who ever went to court win or lose, still lost. It didnt matter if it was money, prison, dirty linen or what ever. They still lost.

    I know its your business to propagate your own industry. There are surely much better ways to sort things out without getting the guards, social welfare officers or solicitors involved.

    In no way was that an attack. And I don’t think I said anything that could be seen like that. Also I never said anything about an industry other than answering questions from you and saying that people are people. I’m out of this one.


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    #208
    begbysback
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭begbysback


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Statement may be dumb but I am willing to learn and ask questions. Maybe if you came into my circle of qualification you might not seem so smart.

    And what would your circle of qualification be skooter?


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    #209
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    begbysback wrote: »
    And what would your circle of qualification be skooter?

    Currently on my third degree at the moment, General Science.


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    #210
    begbysback
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭begbysback


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Currently on my third degree at the moment, General Science.

    Have ye thought about getting a job?


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    #211
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    begbysback wrote: »
    Have ye thought about getting a job?

    I did ..... life is much more fun at college, why would I ruin it with responsibility, tax, bosses and making promotion? I am doing fine. Stress is a killer. Avoid it and be cool. No point working yourself into an early grave. A few of my friends have had breakdowns, the brother in law had a banger and two of my much older friends have died from cancer last year. Aint worth it man. Focus on being happy.


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