Clothes are no longer essential

Flippyfloppy

spook_cook wrote: »

You should have the numbers to back it up so. I'll just wait here, shall I?

Hilarious. You do know covid is passed person to person don't you?

Bannasidhe

Deleted User wrote: »

Every hospital has a supply of nightwear for such occasions.

Really. Then why did I have to click and collect a pair of PJs? The same PJ's that were put on her the next day after the staff cut off her stained top? A top that she wore as the tea dried into it?

Yes, a woman who we were warned by the consultant was unlikely to survive was there in the bed in a tea stained top for 24 hours but "every hospital has a supply of nightwear for these occasions"? Why was it that during the half hour compassionate visit the question was asked "why is my Mother wearing a dirty top"?
Why did the changing have to wait until the next day when during that half hour visit the question was asked "why is my Mother still wearing a dirty top?"

I defy anyone to tell me that sitting in your car in a carpark, having been told your Mother is dying, and frantically trying to guess the size of a pair of PJs plus find the nearest place to click and collect in hope that she doesn't die in a stained top before you can collect them and get back is not urgent or essential but being able to pop across the road and buy a bottle of wine, a watering can, and a 2x4 is.

Plus - and this may come as a surprise to posters here - not everyone had the wherewithal to order on line and click and collect.
There are people without access to the internet.
People without 'cards'.
Most of these people are elderly.

Bannasidhe

PeterPan92 wrote: »

Do you think many people are in that scenario? Should all shops remain open in the middle of a pandemic, in case one or two people across the country actually need them?

I think if watering cans and wine are essential than so are basic items of clothing like underwear, PJs, children's clothes.

How many people do you think are unexpectedly being admitted to hospitals at the moment?
Do you think everyone admitted during a pandemic has the necessary items to clothing - plus a change - to hand?

Yellow_Fern

Leg End Reject wrote: »

People won't be presenting at A & E with shopping withdrawal symptoms. The health system can't cope with essential treatments at the best of times, it's really time the health service was sorted and brought up to standard.

I feel sorry for Irish retailers, a lot of money will be going to non-Irish online retailers this year.

Drinkers dont cost anyone anything. The cost of alcohol related ill health is paid for the enormous about of taxes that drinkers pay.

Bannasidhe

Floppybits wrote: »

Ah Maryanne may only have experience of private hospitals.

I'm talking about a private hospital. One miles from a Dunnes where I could click and collect but there are small clothing retailers nearby - all closed.

Cee-Jay-Cee

con747 wrote: »

Damien English was like a rabbit in headlights last night trying to justify how you can buy a bottle of wine but can't buy children's clothes in shops on prime time last night.

True and the blonde wagon didn’t press him on it when she had the opportunity to show the decision to be crass and unfair but of course the RTE weren’t going to go against their paymasters.

PeterPan92

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I think if watering cans and wine are essential than so are basic items of clothing like underwear, PJs, children's clothes.

How many people do you think are unexpectedly being admitted to hospitals at the moment?
Do you think everyone admitted during a pandemic has the necessary items to clothing - plus a change - to hand?

I explained my understanding of the rationale between alcohol being "essential" earlier, and many other furthered that point by explaining the impact that people suffering from alcohol withdrawal would have on the hospitals. All messages you have seemingly chosen to ignore.

I am very sorry to hear about your mother, and hope she feels better. However, my point stands. There are not many people that don't have one or two spare pyjamas at home, or whose children wouldn't have a pyjamas to fit them. For those who do find themselves in such a position, the option is there to click and collect, or local shops in my area are doing a "phone and collect" service also.

Cee-Jay-Cee

PeterPan92 wrote: »

It is six weeks. I'm sure the clothes people have now will fit them. Anyone with babies should have been prepared by the multi day warning we got this time.

Clothes are closed off as they are what people browse. Pick it up, hold it against themselves, look at it again, hold it again, flick through all the items on the shelf to find their size, pick that up, show it to a friend, hold it up once more, then put it back and move onto the next rack. People aren't doing that with bottles of Smirnoff or wine.

People weren’t prepared because everyone thought it would be like the last lockdown where you could still buy clothes in Dunnes Tesco and M&S. it wasn’t specified that those stores would not be allowed to sell clothes.

Dial Hard

Floppybits wrote: »

Nope. I just think that if clothes are not considered essential then alcohol should also be considered non essential. Simple as that.

About 90% of the food we buy and eat could be considered non-essential too. Where do you draw the line?

Harry Palmr

Let them eat wear cake.

PeterPan92

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

People weren’t prepared because everyone thought it would be like the last lockdown where you could still buy clothes in Dunnes Tesco and M&S. it wasn’t specified that those stores would not be allowed to sell clothes.

I have 3 Tesco shops equi-distance from where I live, so travel to them depending on where else I want to go (i.e. one near a Dunnes, one near and M and S and one near a Dealz). During the last lockdown, none of these Tesco shops sold clothes, all had them barred off like they do now. Apparently these Tesco shops were doing it correctly, despite other shops (Dunnes and M and S) not following the guidelines.


My point stands that the clothes that fit you now should fit early December. If not, order online, or click and collect to keep it local.

trashcan

On a related note, I was in Tesco Liffey Valley during the summer and spotted a sign which read "No clothing at the Checkout Area" :eek:

Floppybits

Dial Hard wrote: »

About 90% of the food we buy and eat could be considered non-essential too. Where do you draw the line?

Might do us all some good if it was only essentials that were sold for a few weeks.

cj maxx

Dial Hard wrote: »

About 90% of the food we buy and eat could be considered non-essential too. Where do you draw the line?

Like any line there are people caught on the wrong side . The thing about those pesky kids is that they grow. And very fast at that! Shoes especially are important to fit properly. Buying online is grand when it all works out but with distancing and sanitiser stations some of the big retailers, Dunnes, Tesco etc could offer some basics . Though I understand you have to draw a line somewhere

freshpopcorn

spook_cook wrote: »

At least the message has been received loud and clear, pack the shops once the restrictions are over and when rumours of another lockdown in the future surface, be sure to panic buy everything you can get your hands on. No idea what the morons will label essential or not, so why take the chance.

My personal feeling is they were thought up by peoples partners or mother plans Christmas for them and everything just appears in front of them on Christmas Eve.

Bannasidhe

PeterPan92 wrote: »

I explained my understanding of the rationale between alcohol being "essential" earlier, and many other furthered that point by explaining the impact that people suffering from alcohol withdrawal would have on the hospitals. All messages you have seemingly chosen to ignore.

I am very sorry to hear about your mother, and hope she feels better. However, my point stands. There are not many people that don't have one or two spare pyjamas at home, or whose children wouldn't have a pyjamas to fit them. For those who do find themselves in such a position, the option is there to click and collect, or local shops in my area are doing a "phone and collect" service also.

I didn't ignore it - I am just not going down the rabbit hole of your choosing by getting into some x amount of people will suffer violent withdrawal symptoms if they cannot consume item b therefore there should be no further restrictions on the sale of item b however items d,e, & f which are essential for the majority of the population must not be currently sold for public health reasons tangent.


What is your argument for watering cans? You have ignored that.

And no, 'click and collect' is not an option for everyone.

timetogo1

spook_cook wrote: »

At least the message has been received loud and clear, pack the shops once the restrictions are over and when rumours of another lockdown in the future surface, be sure to panic buy everything you can get your hands on. No idea what the morons will label essential or not, so why take the chance.

Or you know, just make sure you've enough clothes to do you a few months or buy online.

freshpopcorn

timetogo1 wrote: »

Or you know, just make sure you've enough clothes to do you a few months or buy online.

Great if you’ve loads of money to buy loads of them months in advance for your kids.
Not so great of your living week to week and hoping to get a few bits at Penney’s when you can.

titan18

screamer wrote: »

Yep, I’d class essential as anything you need to survive. Go outside these nights with no clothes on and I’m sure you’d be adding to the hospital pressure. Clothes are essential, idiot government.
Yes, order online takes ages to get to you, may not fit, have to return. BTW, the stock for winter was just starting to arrive in the shops, so smart asses saying you should have bought before lockdown are also clueless, and would be the same gob****es laughing at people for panic buying.....

Surely the clothes you owned before the lockdown are sufficient. If not, wtf are you doing to them

Leg End Reject

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

Drinkers dont cost anyone anything. The cost of alcohol related ill health is paid for the enormous about of taxes that drinkers pay.

The point is that hospitals can't cope with it at the moment, so better to let them have access to alcohol than get withdrawal symptoms that require medical treatment.

It's not a judgement, I enjoy a drink and am aware that it's easy to develop an addiction.

Eggs For Dinner

Floppybits wrote: »

Alcohol is not essential, drink water.

Trust me, if I could get pissed drinking water, I'd be all over that

Bannasidhe

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Bad planning by my 86 year old mother to get blood poisoning and go into septic shock requiring urgent admission into a critical care unit and her without a pair of pajamas with a top with buttons to her name.
She needed a botton top as there were 3 tubes in each arm and a PICC line in her neck and didn't the silly old woman spill some tea down her front and they couldn't pull a clean top over her head as that PICC could not be removed.

No urgency to allow a woman not expected to live the dignity of dying in a clean dry top.

Sure order on-line and go click and collect and if she's still alive no harm done.
:mad:

I'm so sorry you're dealing with this situation, particularly now with the added restrictions. I hope things go as peacefully as possible for your mother, and for you and yours.

PommieBast

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah, here. Don’t be posting sense. Let OP have a little moan. They don’t understand that it’s unfair for a chain store to sell clothes while the independent clothes shop next door has to close for 6 weeks.

Jeff Bezos would approve..

listermint

8-10 wrote: »

The reason for alcohol being considered essential is that there would be the potential of increased hospitalisations if alcoholics don't have access to it.

Sounds crazy, but that's literally the reason and they're prioritising hospital capacity over everything else

I know you like to think that. But based on history and evidence edge cases like alcoholism doesn't even factor in decisions such as this in government.

It's quite simply because they couldn't buy bottles of wine themselves . Anything that seriously knocks on the door of ministers they consider because it's directly affecting them.

It's juvenile to believe they care a jot about an alcoholic in Mullingar or wherever , but it's a handy pretend explanation

gozunda

Clothes are no longer essential

Seems like thats the future to the bods of the World Economic Forum (a quasi International quango set up by Germans apparently hell bent on world domination or something)

Welcome to the year 2030. Welcome to my city - or should I say, "our city". I don't own anything. I don't own a car. I don't own a house. I don't own any appliances or any clothes...It might seem odd to you, but it makes perfect sense for us in this city. Everything you considered a product, has now become a service.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/shopping-i-can-t-really-remember-what-that-is/

Same claims everything will be 'free'. Like fek it will. You'll have to take out a subscription for your underwear - 3 month rental contract or similar I'd reckon :pac:

listermint

PeterPan92 wrote: »

I have 3 Tesco shops equi-distance from where I live, so travel to them depending on where else I want to go (i.e. one near a Dunnes, one near and M and S and one near a Dealz). During the last lockdown, none of these Tesco shops sold clothes, all had them barred off like they do now. Apparently these Tesco shops were doing it correctly, despite other shops (Dunnes and M and S) not following the guidelines.


My point stands that the clothes that fit you now should fit early December. If not, order online, or click and collect to keep it local.

Weird because both Tesco near me were doing it properly last time too and operated one way systems in the clothes sections. All very controlled all very easy.

Bannasidhe

Candie wrote: »

I'm so sorry you're dealing with this situation, particularly now with the added restrictions. I hope things go as peacefully as possible for your mother, and for you and yours.

Thanks Candie.

Thanks to 6 world class specialists, some out of the box thinking treatment wise (possible due to the skills of a highly qualified Syrian former refugee but that's another tale), my brother who pays for her top flight health insurance...and sheer bloody-mindedness... my mother somehow survived literally against all the odds... She didn't die in the exact same bed my Dad died in exactly a year earlier - that added to the awfulness of the whole thing.
She is going home today. Have ordered her more PJs on-line as she is super strictly confined to barracks and being the kind of woman who gets dressed as soon as she gets up doesn't possess 'loungewear'. :P

breezy1985

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Well, if the bottle of wine could be magically refilled, then, yes it could be considered nonessential. One can wash clothes and reuse.

Personally I need the odd bottle of wine during lockdown due to all the antl lockdown conspiracy nonsense we have to listen to these days. I've tried new socks but they just don't do the trick the way wine does

screamer

titan18 wrote: »

Surely the clothes you owned before the lockdown are sufficient. If not, wtf are you doing to them

Kids more so as they grow so fast, last years stuff is either donated or doesn’t fit. Think outside the box, there are people who don’t hoard clothing. Also for emergencies like hospital admissions as already in this thread, there is a need for certain items. I’m not saying Christmas party dresses are essential but warm clothing and footwear, underwear, PJs are essential and should be allowed to be sold in the shops. I don’t know what is so hard to undeterstand about that

Harry Palmr

Imagine if you tore your shoes (somehow), take them to the shoe menders and wear slippers while you wait!

Lolle06

MrMusician18 wrote: »

That's not what he meant. He meant that there is usually no urgency that you need to go out right now to get clothes, clothes can wait or can be bought online or over the phone.

That works with clothes maybe (as long as you fit into standard sizes), but have you ever tried buying childrens shoes that actually fit, online?
It’s like Goldilocks... you have to try them, in order to find the ones that are « just right ».

Bannasidhe

screamer wrote: »

Kids more so as they grow so fast, last years stuff is either donated or doesn’t fit. Think outside the box, there are people who don’t hoard clothing. Also for emergencies like hospital admissions as already in this thread, there is a need for certain items. I’m not saying Christmas party dresses are essential but warm clothing and footwear, underwear, PJs are essential and should be allowed to be sold in the shops. I don’t know what is so hard to undeterstand about that

This.
There are items of clothing that are essential. They should be available. There is no reason social distance rules cannot be applied in a clothing store/dept. If it can be done in grocery it can be done in drapery.

My OH works in a builders suppliers, since lockdown she hasn't had a lunchbreak due to dealing with people travelling waaay over 5 km to pick out the bathroom ware for houses that haven't even begun construction yet.
It's so busy they are taking on extra staff - this to deal with orders for bathroom fittings for houses where the foundations haven't even been poured - but that is essential apparently.

Every day she gets home (late) and first words out of her mouth are "lockdown me hole".

Bannasidhe

Lolle06 wrote: »

That works with clothes maybe (as long as you fit into standard sizes), but have you ever tried buying childrens shoes that actually fit, online?
It’s like Goldilocks... you have to try them, in order to find the ones that are « just right ».

Or guess which PJs you are looking at in Dunnes on-line correspond to size women's size 16-18 - is that Large or Extra Large?

Graces7

Umekichi wrote: »

No they don't. They might (if you are lucky) have a cloth surgical gown which might do for a day or 2 but supply is limited and there may not be a replacement available if it gets dirty.

There are always plenty of gowns. Always. I was recently admitted with no clean nightwear and no dressing gown and they were given with no problem. And they can be put on so they fasten at the front.

whisky_galore

Bannasidhe wrote: »

This.
There are items of clothing that are essential. They should be available. There is no reason social distance rules cannot be applied in a clothing store/dept. If it can be done in grocery it can be done in drapery.

My OH works in a builders suppliers, since lockdown she hasn't had a lunchbreak due to dealing with people travelling waaay over 5 km to pick out the bathroom ware for houses that haven't even begun construction yet.
It's so busy they are taking on extra staff - this to deal with orders for bathroom fittings for houses where the foundations haven't even been poured - but that is essential apparently.

Every day she gets home (late) and first words out of her mouth are "lockdown me hole".

Classy burd.

listermint

whisky_galore wrote: »

Classy burd.

You must be a lovely person to be around.



Does it hurt ?

Graces7

screamer wrote: »

Well done you, lots of retailers have 5 day or more delivery lead times. I’ve never had next day delivery. Suppose it depends what and where you order from, still, warm winter clothing is essential this time of year, and should be classed as such.

So you threw out all your winter clothes from last year ?

Antares35

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Mrtdogg/status/1320244379580334080?s=20

Not all passive aggressives wear clothes.

Antares35

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There's nowhere to go anyway, sure why do we need new clothes. I managed to source everything for my hospital bag and baby's first six months online, amazing how the internet and knowledge of the fact that I had a baby on the way led to that. All they wear is vests and pjs for the first few months anyway, and they too have nowhere to go I don't understand why people are surprised when their children grow. My girl literally outgrew her newborn stuff overnight, but knowing that she would grow, and not wanting to be in a situation where we had to leave the house for new clothes, we had magically ordered 0-3 month stuff online! Re cost, Dunnes were selling a pack of five cotton vests for 7 euro.

munstergirl

Some people still aren't social distancing in shops, crowded around the special offers, often wearing masks under their nose/chin.

Shops and shopping centres were crowded with shoppers for weeks just before lockdown. And insanely busy after last lockdown.

I think some people don't wash their socks just buy new ones. It's like some irish people need to buy new stuff every day/week.

Shops should be back open December 1st, just in time for children's allowance day.

Too many people are treating shopping as a family day out, browsing, chatting, touching everything, touching their mask, wearing mask under their chin, not social distancing.

People working in retail testing positive were sent home for 2 weeks, shop wasn't closed and were classed as family cluster.

If you really need something ask your friends, neighbours for help or in a shop ring the shop and explain your situation.

There is a huge difference between March lockdown & this one with people out & about shopping.

It's only for a few more weeks hopefully.

Floppybits

Bannasidhe wrote: »

This.
There are items of clothing that are essential. They should be available. There is no reason social distance rules cannot be applied in a clothing store/dept. If it can be done in grocery it can be done in drapery.

My OH works in a builders suppliers, since lockdown she hasn't had a lunchbreak due to dealing with people travelling waaay over 5 km to pick out the bathroom ware for houses that haven't even begun construction yet.
It's so busy they are taking on extra staff - this to deal with orders for bathroom fittings for houses where the foundations haven't even been poured - but that is essential apparently.

Every day she gets home (late) and first words out of her mouth are "lockdown me hole".

Where be this? I need to get the bathroom done and it is essential that I do it, it's driving me nuts. The house is built so that may speed up things .:)

freshpopcorn

I hope those who just say order online don’t find themselves in a position in a few years where you’re relying on social welfare and can’t buy clothes months in advance and you’ve planned to buy a coat for your kid at the start of November with your Children’s allowance money to be told the shops are closed.
You the order online and it comes in the wrong size. You then have to send to back and wait for the money to be refunded to be able to afford another one.

Bannasidhe

Floppybits wrote: »

Where be this? I need to get the bathroom done and it is essential that I do it, it's driving me nuts. The house is built so that may speed up things .:)

I'm sure if you google builders providers you will be spoilt for choice - they are all essentially open essentially.

breezy1985

Are the likes of Dunnes not still selling essential clothes like underwear and t-shirts and stuff. They said last week they were has something changed?

munstergirl

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I hope those who just say order online don’t find themselves in a position in a few years where you’re relying on social welfare and can’t buy clothes months in advance and you’ve planned to buy a coat for your kid at the start of November with your Children’s allowance money to be told the shops are closed.
You the order online and it comes in the wrong size. You then have to send to back and wait for the money to be refunded to be able to afford another one.

https://www.dunnesstores.com/c/kids

https://www.dunnesstores.com/content/phone-in-service

Click & collect from Dunnes. You can also phone & collect if you don"t have the internet.

Lolle06

Antares35 wrote: »

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There's nowhere to go anyway, sure why do we need new clothes. I managed to source everything for my hospital bag and baby's first six months online, amazing how the internet and knowledge of the fact that I had a baby on the way led to that. All they wear is vests and pjs for the first few months anyway, and they too have nowhere to go I don't understand why people are surprised when their children grow. My girl literally outgrew her newborn stuff overnight, but knowing that she would grow, and not wanting to be in a situation where we had to leave the house for new clothes, we had magically ordered 0-3 month stuff online! Re cost, Dunnes were selling a pack of five cotton vests for 7 euro.

That’s great and works well with babies.
They usually don’t need proper footwear either.
Our family is still active outside of the house and goes out and about within the permitted 5km.

Try ordering fitting footwear, when your child is a teenager and doesn’t stop growing !
My own shoes were too big for DS a few month´s ago, but now he wears a size larger than me.
We didn’t get him his own winter boots yet (since it was only autumn) so he will have to either squeeze into mine, or wear his dad’s even larger boots when we are out for a walk.

ablelocks

PeterPan92 wrote: »

What actually happened at the very start of this rise? It wasn't houseparties. It was schools returning with no social distancing.

ah here.

in August, 14.5% of all confirmed cases were within the school age range. in september, that went to 14.9% and in October it rose to 15.6%

"schools are neither incubators or exacerbators of infections of covid 19"

- source : Doctor Abigail Higgins, Consultant in Public Health Medicine

reopening schools has had a negligible impact on the recent huge increases in numbers.

breezy1985

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I hope those who just say order online don’t find themselves in a position in a few years where you’re relying on social welfare and can’t buy clothes months in advance and you’ve planned to buy a coat for your kid at the start of November with your Children’s allowance money to be told the shops are closed.
You the order online and it comes in the wrong size. You then have to send to back and wait for the money to be refunded to be able to afford another one.

If it comes in the wrong size why would you have tow air for a refund? They should just send you on the right size

Bannasidhe

munstergirl wrote: »

https://www.dunnesstores.com/c/kids

https://www.dunnesstores.com/content/phone-in-service

Click & collect from Dunnes. You can also phone & collect if you don"t have the internet.

How do you know what they have available if you don't have the internet?
How do you collect if you don't have transport?
How do you pay if you don't have a card?
What do you do if you live in the back of beyond with no internet, transport, or cards?
Such people do exist.

Why are watering cans essential in winter but scarves aren't?

cena

I don't really buy clothes in Ireland