Cheltenham 2021 Antepost

Gavin "shels"

Seems Tower Bridge hasn't been put down!

https://twitter.com/RacingTV/status/1342832822193704960?s=19

Gavin shels

Gavin shels wrote: »

Seems Tower Bridge hasn't been put down!

https://twitter.com/RacingTV/status/1342832822193704960?s=19

I'd heard them announce it on Racing TV....sorry!

Gavin "shels"

TheTorment wrote: »

I'd heard them announce it on Racing TV....sorry!

Ye it seems more than you heard about it too! Bad form from Racing TV.

Motivator

Gavin "shels" wrote: »

Ye it seems more than you heard about it too! Bad form from Racing TV.

They also tweeted he pulled up at Leopardstown. More amateur hour crap from that channel.

Motivator

Gavin "shels" wrote: »

Ye it seems more than you heard about it too! Bad form from Racing TV.

They also tweeted he pulled up at Leopardstown. More amateur hour crap from that channel.

NaiveMelodies

NaiveMelodies wrote: »

Backed Stattler for the Albert Bartlett at 50s. Likeable horse who will stay all day. Bit of slop at Cheltenham could see him go well.

Probably didn't beat much today but think he's going to be a beast over further and fences in time. Gone in again at 33s for the Albert Bartlett.
Prob be WPM 2nd or 3rd string on the day if he goes but won't be 33s or 50s.

Coneygree

NaiveMelodies wrote: »

Probably didn't beat much today but think he's going to be a beast over further and fences in time. Gone in again at 33s for the Albert Bartlett.
Prob be WPM 2nd or 3rd string on the day if he goes but won't be 33s or 50s.

Looked very decent, might be the NHC horse for next year?

AB looks a very open race, serious value to be had if you had an angle.

zpehtsfd

That's the Novice chase division wrapped up.

Slattsy

NaiveMelodies wrote: »

Probably didn't beat much today but think he's going to be a beast over further and fences in time. Gone in again at 33s for the Albert Bartlett.
Prob be WPM 2nd or 3rd string on the day if he goes but won't be 33s or 50s.

Thought that was very impressive form Stattler.

RivetingRoger

Buveur Dair for March!!!

Gavin "shels"

Gavin shels wrote: »

Got a bit giddy today and done a yankee (small fourfold too on top of that)...

Sire Du Berlais in the Stayers 8/1
Tower Bridge in the Pertemps 16/1
Envoi Allen in the Marsh 2/1
Saint Roi in the Champion Hurdle 8/1

Well between Tower Bridge & Saint Roi this is a write off...

IAMAMORON

It looks like Gordon Elliott's yard had a bad Christmas. I heard he caught the Covid also. It cannot have been easy on him and I hope he gets well soon.

There must be a bit of value in backing some of his AP now for the festival?

RivetingRoger

Willing to put a line thru that for Abacadabras
Far too bad to be true
A lot of extenuating circumstances with the yard too etc

Saint Roi had every chance, Walsh got him in the right spot, horse just isn't good enough
Beaten again when it was there to be won
.

Pogue eile

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Willing to put a line thru that for Abacadabras
Far too bad to be true
A lot of extenuating circumstances with the yard too etc

Saint Roi had every chance, Walsh got him in the right spot, horse just isn't good enough
Beaten again when it was there to be won
.

If Saint Roi isn't good enough how can you possibly think Abra is?

They will both be better served by a bigger field and faster pace in Cheltenham. The reality is that it is a piss poor division and there is holes in every single one of the big players.

I suggested here a few weeks back that they would have to think long and hard about running Honeysuckle and I was ridiculed, nothing I have seen since would change my position, they have to run her!

IAMAMORON

Pogue eile wrote: »

I suggested here a few weeks back that they would have to think long and hard about running Honeysuckle and I was ridiculed, nothing I have seen since would change my position, they have to run her!

She is great filly, but I am not sure she would handle the extra pace of a CH and given that she would win the mares handy I can see why they will go there again. At this point owners should be just looking to keep her well as she is a fine prospect for breeding down the line.

I would definitely back Concertista if it turned up in a CH. Not AP btw , I would wait until the day because given the amount of runners WPM will send over we won't know where she is running until that week. But he could well have 4 or 5 runners in the CH at this stage? Saint Roi, Sharjah, Cialos Emery, Saldier etc.

It is worth noting also that given how wide open the division is, it is possible to have a big field. I could easily see the bookies offering an extra place ( they are not obliged to ) on the day.

We are into all the preview waffle now - the pain of it.

Pogue eile

IAMAMORON wrote: »

She is great filly, but I am not sure she would handle the extra pace of a CH and given that she would win the mares handy I can see why they will go there again. At this point owners should be just looking to keep her well as she is a fine prospect for breeding down the line.

Why not retire her so? I don't see how the Champion Hurdle would be any more of a risk to here well being that the mares and surely if their priority is here breeding career then a Champion Hurdle win would be €€€. Right now its looking like a middling handicap!

IAMAMORON

Pogue eile wrote: »

Why not retire her so? I don't see how the Champion Hurdle would be any more of a risk to here well being that the mares and surely if their priority is here breeding career then a Champion Hurdle win would be €€€. Right now its looking like a middling handicap!

I would say there a few quid to be earnt with her yet.

My point is that they should take it handy on her if possible. If Concertista went to the mares it looks a better race at this point. I am not convinced she would beat Honey suckle over the extra half mile though.

Slattsy

Any eye catchers??

IAMAMORON

Slattsy wrote: »

Any eye catchers??

Not sure about the festival but if it is muddy and there are fences you should be backing The Long Mile. He should say 3 miles also.

IAMAMORON

I would like to see where Royal Pagaille goes next also. He has won 2 novice chases in a row now and it looks like there is more to come. Would have to have a chance in any staying handicap chase over the next 4 months. Very economical at his fences, makes the odd blunder but he stays on his feet and moves quickly away.

lemush

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I would like to see where Royal Pagaille goes next also. He has won 2 novice chases in a row now and it looks like there is more to come. Would have to have a chance in any staying handicap chase over the next 4 months. Very economical at his fences, makes the odd blunder but he stays on his feet and moves quickly away.

He hacked up in a handicap off 140 so open races await.

IAMAMORON

Slattsy wrote: »

Any eye catchers??

I thought Jane Mangan looked particularly well. I love her sharp, deep bogger accent also, she turns me on a fair bit. She is quare sexy.

Natalia Lupini has some serious competition, she better shape up.

stretchaq

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I thought Jane Mangan looked particularly well. I love her sharp, deep bogger accent also, she turns me on a fair bit. She is quare sexy.

Natalia Lupini has some serious competition, she better shape up.

Megan Nicholas is the job just go to her Instagram

IAMAMORON

stretchaq wrote: »

Megan Nicholas is the job just go to her Instagram

Isn't she not riding a jockey in Richard Fahey's yard?

Brock Turnpike

stretchaq wrote: »

Megan Nicholas is the job just go to her Instagram

Well holy god

Slattsy

Slattsy wrote: »

New addition, Pertemps.

Tower Bridge at 25s pre qualifier and again today post qualifier at 20s.

This is unfortunately gone, was as low as 10s. But that's the risk :cool:

Onwards we go. And i think another posted spotted the run of another JP horse the other day too; Morosini. Ran on to be 6th, ala Sire Du Berlais before he won his first Pertemps.

The Bosses Oscar will likely be hammered by the handicapper and may struggle, but could well be good enough.

IAMAMORON

lemush wrote: »

He hacked up in a handicap off 140 so open races await.

He looks decent. The only slight concern I would have is that seemingly Venetia Williams training facilities in Hereford are perfect for winter chasers insofar as the ground is invariably heavy there. That is why her novice chasers do so well from October - Christmas. What tends to happen is that as soon as they hit the bigger handicaps in the spring their mark is exposed and any value in their price has been eaten up by punters who think they are certainties based on 2 wins on winter ground. You end up backing a 5/1 shot ( in a 20 runner handicap )running on decent spring ground which half the time the horse won't like. I only ever back her runners on shight ground because that is what they are used to. Also, I never bother with her novice hurdlers, they are rarely trying a yard, she is looking 12 months ahead for when they go chasing. You might miss a few novice hurdle winners, but you save a fortune on the losers.

stretchaq

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Isn't she not riding a jockey in Richard Fahey's yard?

Ya Kevin stott

Gavin "shels"

Slattsy wrote: »

i think another posted spotted the run of another JP horse the other day too; Morosini. Ran on to be 6th, ala Sire Du Berlais before he won his first Pertemps.

Slatts! Sssssssssshhhhhhhhhh.

Slattsy

Gavin shels wrote: »

Slatts! Sssssssssshhhhhhhhhh.

Harrington is the negative here imo.

RivetingRoger

Now that it seems Gordon is pulling horses from meetings today due to coughing in the yard, might be the time to get a price for his horses for March again
You just knew Ballyadam, abacadabras and Percy were too bad to be true
Now it seems that was the case after all

akelly02

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Now that it seems Gordon is pulling horses from meetings today due to coughing in the yard, might be the time to get a price for his horses for March again
You just knew Ballyadam, abacadabras and Percy were too bad to be true
Now it seems that was the case after all

No roger

Abacadabras is just ****e

Nice try though 😀

RivetingRoger

akelly02 wrote: »

No roger

Abacadabras is just ****e

Nice try though ��

If the yard are being pulled and its on coughing grounds then you can be damn sure he horse has an excuse

Brock Turnpike

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Now that it seems Gordon is pulling horses from meetings today due to coughing in the yard, might be the time to get a price for his horses for March again
You just knew Ballyadam, abacadabras and Percy were too bad to be true
Now it seems that was the case after all

I honestly think that comes across as you being set on the horses no matter what logical evidence is served up to you.

RivetingRoger

Lads, i am an abacadabras fan
i make no bones about it
Many of ye think the horse is a pig and I know that, that's fair enough.

I am pointing out that the horses trainer is now pulling his horses from meetings today and tomorrow due to coughing in the yard. Added to the fact all his stars ran far below their best at the weekend, do ye not think it is fair enough to then say it can reasonably be thought that the horse was compromised and his run forgiven?

If I am too quick to defend him, it seems some can't wait to stick the boot in.

Abacadabreas has a VERY valid excuse
What excuse does the hype machine Saint Roi have?

Pogue eile

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Lads, i am an abacadabras fan
i make no bones about it
Many of ye think the horse is a pig and I know that, that's fair enough.

I am pointing out that the horses trainer is now pulling his horses from meetings today and tomorrow due to coughing in the yard. Added to the fact all his stars ran far below their best at the weekend, do ye not think it is fair enough to then say it can reasonably be thought that the horse was compromised and his run forgiven?

If I am too quick to defend him, it seems some can't wait to stick the boot in.

Abacadabreas has a VERY valid excuse
What excuse does the hype machine Saint Roi have?

You're contradicting yourself and tying yourself in knots here.

You claimed on another thread that anyone using form at this time of the year to frank or indeed dismiss a horses chances are mugs, so that was obviously only in relation to Abra and not Saint Roi??

Abra has now been beaten 7 times and has never won a race in the Spring - 0 from 3! Saint Roi who you are happy to dismiss as a hype horse actually has a festival win at least!

Fact is that as things stand there is feck all between them and both are a level below top class until they prove otherwise, being bullish about either is as you say yourself a mugs game!

Coneygree

Anyone got any tasty AP slips they're holding atm?

Better ones of my lot:

Bob Olinger @25/1
Monkfish @10/1
Chacun Pour Soi @5/1
Sir Gerhard @12/1
The Bosses Oscar @28/1
Thyme Hill @12/1
French Aseel @18/1
Delta Work @50/1
Envoi/Shishkin double @15/1

RivetingRoger

Pogue eile wrote: »

You're contradicting yourself and tying yourself in knots here.

You claimed on another thread that anyone using form at this time of the year to frank or indeed dismiss a horses chances are mugs, so that was obviously only in relation to Abra and not Saint Roi??

Abra has now been beaten 7 times and has never won a race in the Spring - 0 from 3! Saint Roi who you are happy to dismiss as a hype horse actually has a festival win at least!

Fact is that as things stand there is feck all between them and both are a level below top class until they prove otherwise, being bullish about either is as you say yourself a mugs game!

Would he helpful if you used my mug quote in context and see that i was incl myself in that cohort, it was a light hearted remark...

Aba, not Abra, Aba, has plenty spring form incl finishing a neck to Shishkin last March! Far better form than anything Saint Roi has in the book.

Again tho, people are misreading my point! Ye are taking his run at the weekend as his "form"
I am trying (poorly it seems) to point out, that it's NOT his form. He is obviously not right at the moment, none of Gordon's yard are, as evidenced by the yard being pulled from Limerick today.
He has a legitimate excuse for his poor run.

What excuse does Saint Roi have??!!

RivetingRoger

Coneygree wrote: »

Anyone got any tasty AP slips they're holding atm?

Better ones of my lot:

Bob Olinger @25/1
Monkfish @10/1
Chacun Pour Soi @5/1
Sir Gerhard @12/1
The Bosses Oscar @28/1
Thyme Hill @12/1
French Aseel @18/1
Delta Work @50/1
Envoi/Shishkin double @15/1

Delta Work @ 50/1 ...........for what??? The Mares Hurdle?????

Coneygree

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Delta Work @ 50/1 ...........for what??? The Mares Hurdle?????

Bit harsh!

Dr. Bre

Wil frodon go for the gold cup ?

Coneygree

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Wil frodon go for the gold cup ?

Has to. Already won a Ryanair, won the KG which seals his fate really. When's the last time the KG winner didn't run in Cheltenham if fit and healthy? CDO and Cyrname flopped, and CDO was unlikely to run in Cheltenham anyway. Nicholls needs a dart, hardly a better one he'll find considering his top two flopped.

Pogue eile

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Would he helpful if you used my mug quote in context and see that i was incl myself in that cohort, it was a light hearted remark...

Aba, not Abra, Aba, has plenty spring form incl finishing a neck to Shishkin last March! Far better form than anything Saint Roi has in the book.

Again tho, people are misreading my point! Ye are taking his run at the weekend as his "form"
I am trying (poorly it seems) to point out, that it's NOT his form. He is obviously not right at the moment, none of Gordon's yard are, as evidenced by the yard being pulled from Limerick today.
He has a legitimate excuse for his poor run.

What excuse does Saint Roi have??!!

I am fully aware it was light hearted, my reply was also intended to be similar, the challenge of the written word I guess!

Thank you kindly for the abbreviation clarification and apologies to all who were offended.

Would you say that finishing second in a Supreme that fell apart is that more impressive than a novice winning a County hard held on only his third run outside of France? Much of a muchness for me.

Willie Mullins pretty much told us before the race that Saint Roi wasn't primed and Patrick confirmed this after the race and also that Saint Roi was in his view their number one contender for March.

Its a piss poor division and every single one of them have massive questions to answer so being overly bullish or dismissive of any of them is folly.

RivetingRoger

Klassical Dream
33/1
Champion Hurdle

As the fat lad in the ad says "Get some"!!

Dr. Bre

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Klassical Dream
33/1
Champion Hurdle

As the fat lad in the ad says "Get some"!!

He was brilliant when winning the supreme . What happened last season?

RivetingRoger

Dr. Bre wrote: »

He was brilliant when winning the supreme . What happened last season?

Ah sure who knows
I am just looking for something at bigger prices in a race that has completely fallen apart at this stage
At 33/1 with course form and obvious ability....
There's worse 33s out there

Coneygree

Dr. Bre wrote: »

He was brilliant when winning the supreme . What happened last season?

He was itching for fences and spat the dummy out ala Samcro! Pity he didn't run at Christmas, obviously must be a niggly horse. That Supreme run was top class.

stretchaq

Coneygree wrote: »

Anyone got any tasty AP slips they're holding atm?

Better ones of my lot:

Bob Olinger @25/1
Monkfish @10/1
Chacun Pour Soi @5/1
Sir Gerhard @12/1
The Bosses Oscar @28/1
Thyme Hill @12/1
French Aseel @18/1
Delta Work @50/1
Envoi/Shishkin double @15/1

Have appreciate it at 14s
Sharjah at 20s

I really fancy moyhaad in the pertemps 20s a savage bet

lemush

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Klassical Dream
33/1
Champion Hurdle

As the fat lad in the ad says "Get some"!!

70 on the machine. Same outcome as you will lose your money either way.

Coneygree

stretchaq wrote: »

Have appreciate it at 14s
Sharjah at 20s

I really fancy moyhaad in the pertemps 20s a savage bet

Lovely. I cashed my Appreciate It Supreme slips @20/1 after his first run in Cork where he certainly looked like he needed further. There's been a lot of tears over the last few days :pac: