Cheltenham 2021 Antepost

EICVD

Pogue eile wrote: »

French Aseel sold to the Donnelly's and will be trained by a certain WPM, very interesting development.

They obviously don’t think much of the Henderson juvenile Heross Du Seuil then

Pogue eile

EICVD wrote: »

They obviously don’t think much of the Henderson juvenile Heross Du Seuil then

I don't think they are buying them for their juvenile career to be honest, but yeah I would have French Aseel somewhere in the region of a stone better than Heross Du Seuil.

I also have Zanahyir another half 6-8lbs ahead of French Aseel

maximo31

Gavin shels wrote: »

Powers going NRNB on all races tomorrow I was told (had a quick glance on their social media and couldn't see a mention of it yet).

Yep , its official now!:)

RivetingRoger

Some of the NRNB prices are actually OK!
An appreciate it Chacun double still a very tasty price

Backstreet Moyes

Elliot's triumph horse only into 5/2 I thought would be around 7/4

Might look into backing him although french aseel is obviously very interesting

Pogue eile

Interestingly PP have a disclaimer on their special top trainer and top jockey markets that all markets will be deemed void if the Irish horses are unable to travel.

There is no such condition in their race markets!

Cash out option has also been removed from all Ante Post bets.

longshotvalue

Jeez there is some decent prices there. Anyone know if its in the shops as well.

longshotvalue

aidankkk wrote: »

Jeez there is some decent prices there. Anyone know if its in the shops as well.

Flip a shop tour is needed, i couldn't get on with a decent bet

IAMAMORON

Nuts102 wrote: »

Elliot's triumph horse only into 5/2 I thought would be around 7/4

Might look into backing him although french aseel is obviously very interesting

As impressive as the horse has been I honestly think there will be enough competition on the day to have it starting bigger. There is every chance we have not even seen the Triumph winner in action yet.

Anyone thinking they getting value at 5/2 needs to give up the game.

kksaints

aidankkk wrote: »

Flip a shop tour is needed, i couldn't get on with a decent bet

Bookies are closed atm due to level 5 restrictions or at least they're ment to be.

akelly02

IAMAMORON wrote: »

As impressive as the horse has been I honestly think there will be enough competition on the day to have it starting bigger. There is every chance we have not even seen the Triumph winner in action yet.

Anyone thinking they getting value at 5/2 needs to give up the game.

I actually wasnt overly impressed with him the last day, although i seem to be in the minority.

i thought he had to work a bit too much for my liking.

maybe i just like flashy types, i dunno .

longshotvalue

kksaints wrote: »

Bookies are closed atm due to level 5 restrictions or at least they're ment to be.

Ohh yeah:o. Looks like my wife is getting a pp account so.

Backstreet Moyes

akelly02 wrote: »

I actually wasnt overly impressed with him the last day, although i seem to be in the minority.

i thought he had to work a bit too much for my liking.

maybe i just like flashy types, i dunno .

Considering the way all of Elliot's horses ran is what made it more impressive

akelly02

Nuts102 wrote: »

Considering the way all of Elliot's horses ran is what made it more impressive

that is true alright

Backstreet Moyes

IAMAMORON wrote: »

As impressive as the horse has been I honestly think there will be enough competition on the day to have it starting bigger. There is every chance we have not even seen the Triumph winner in action yet.

Anyone thinking they getting value at 5/2 needs to give up the game.

All it takes is a few non runners such as French Aseel and he goes shorter

He has jumped very well and been very impressive

I would rather throw 30 or 40 a week where it doesnt seem much rather than throwing a few hundred on the day where it feels like losing more

What if French Aseel doesnt run and anything not out yet doesnt impress what price would you expect

He was 11/4 without nrnb and I think 5/2 is a fair price now

I would be surprised if he goes off much bigger on the day if at all

Pogue eile

Nuts102 wrote: »

Considering the way all of Elliot's horses ran is what made it more impressive

Exactly. I actually went in again after that performance, race wasn't run to suit either as the faster they go the better for him.

NaiveMelodies

Sire Du Berlais at 10s striking me as the best NRNB price

IAMAMORON

To clarify, I am not saying Zanahiyer can't or won't win - far from it. I just think that there is a fair chance he goes off better than 5/2. Betfair are offering 3's on their sportsbook. I presume that is AP?

https://www.oddschecker.com/cheltenham-festival/triumph-hurdle/winner

Most bookies will not give you GP on NRNB bets placed now.

If he drifted on the day you might even get bookies offering 4 places etc - as they will first race on Gold Cup day.

Just Saying.

longshotvalue

NaiveMelodies wrote: »

Sire Du Berlais at 10s striking me as the best NRNB price

I’m thinking storyteller at 20/1 . Jumped like a wardrobe last time and easily beat the others .

Motivator

The Storyteller for the Stayers Hurdle and Delta Work for the Gold Cup for me.

I think the Storyteller is Gordon’s “plot” horse for the Festival. He’s a terrific horse and just watch there’ll be no talk about him in the lead up to the Festival, we saw what kind of a genius Gordon is with what he did with Cause of Causes and Tiger Roll. This could be another master stroke from him. 20/1 is a big price for this horse.

Delta Work ran a horrible race last year in the Golf Cup, he never travelled at all and hit a load of fences especially on the second circuit. Every time Mark Walsh got him into some sort of a rhythm he hit a fence and had to start all over again. Considering how bad he ran he still finished 5th and only beaten 5 lengths. Now the one concern for me is that because he fell over Christmas Gordon has to get another run into him. Gordon would have skipped the Dublin Racing Festival if he had stayed on his feet a fortnight ago. I think he was a tired horse heading to Cheltenham last year and I would like to see him get a clear round next month, where he finishes doesn’t bother me. Once he gets round then 33/1 for the Gold Cup is a crazy price.

20/1 and 33/1 for two horses with bundles of class and both are previous Festival winners.

Pogue eile

PP special Appreciate It, Shiskin and Epatante 25/1.

Best price is 19/1 Antepost and 16/1 NRNB.

Worth a tenner I think and the beauty is you will know your faith very early!!

Pogue eile

IAMAMORON wrote: »

To clarify, I am not saying Zanahiyer can't or won't win - far from it. I just think that there is a fair chance he goes off better than 5/2. Betfair are offering 3's on their sportsbook. I presume that is AP?

https://www.oddschecker.com/cheltenham-festival/triumph-hurdle/winner

Most bookies will not give you GP on NRNB bets placed now.

If he drifted on the day you might even get bookies offering 4 places etc - as they will first race on Gold Cup day.

Just Saying.

The last four favourites for the Triumph have all gone off 5/2 or shorter, add in the Elliot factor and its very hard to see him going off bigger on the day.

I dont think there is any great juice in the price, I am on at 8s all the way down to 4s but I wouldnt talk anyone out of backing it at 5/2 NRNB

On a slightly off topic matter I would love to see some detailed analysis of SP's at the festival, to me there is definitely more shorties now that there used to be, bookies are far less likely to take a 'position' like they used to do.

Coneygree

Yeah backed The Storyteller straight away, no entry in the GC too!

longshotvalue

One of the old style NRNB bets, is Klassical Dream. He's be of interest if he was to actually show up in the CH. 33/1 seems value. He's a big price, but its getting late to start chasing now.

Plasandrunt

They've been talking about Klassical Dream going chasing since the middle of last season, he flopped over hurdles last year. Surely if turns up this season it's in the Arkle and not in the Champion Hurdle.

although i suppose that's the beauty of NRNB

longshotvalue

Plasandrunt wrote: »

They've been talking about Klassical Dream going chasing since the middle of last season, he flopped over hurdles last year. Surely if turns up this season it's in the Arkle and not in the Champion Hurdle.

although i suppose that's the beauty of NRNB

Yeah but if's hes there on the day, it wont be for the fun of it, looked the best novice Willie has as well.

NaiveMelodies

Plasandrunt wrote: »

They've been talking about Klassical Dream going chasing since the middle of last season, he flopped over hurdles last year. Surely if turns up this season it's in the Arkle and not in the Champion Hurdle.

although i suppose that's the beauty of NRNB

He wasn't right last year. Wouldn't have gone a yard over fences either.

He'll only go CH if he does something decent over hurdles beforehand so it really is a good value shout.

Gavin "shels"

Any word from any other bookies about going NRNB?

spuddiesal

Can't see Klassical Dream going back over hurdles. Willie said that he was hoping it was just a pulled muscle over xmas. Hopefully that is all it is. They think an awful lot of him and i'd say they will stick to the fences. If that means missing Cheltenham so be it. His supreme win was just so impressive

NaiveMelodies

NaiveMelodies wrote: »

Probably didn't beat much today but think he's going to be a beast over further and fences in time. Gone in again at 33s for the Albert Bartlett.
Prob be WPM 2nd or 3rd string on the day if he goes but won't be 33s or 50s.

Lovely surprise to see Stattler at 12s(best available price) and 10s with the two I've backed him with.
Would be thrilled just to see him line up!

abarkie

Gavin shels wrote: »

Any word from any other bookies about going NRNB?

Bet Fred from 01/01/2021 & PP from 06/01/2021

Championship races only from memory

Pogue eile

France have banned all travel for elite sports, 6 nations to be cancelled etc. So anyone holding an antepost ticket on Easyland might want to act now.

EICVD

Motivator wrote: »

The Storyteller for the Stayers Hurdle and Delta Work for the Gold Cup for me.

I think the Storyteller is Gordon’s “plot” horse for the Festival. He’s a terrific horse and just watch there’ll be no talk about him in the lead up to the Festival, we saw what kind of a genius Gordon is with what he did with Cause of Causes and Tiger Roll. This could be another master stroke from him. 20/1 is a big price for this horse.

Delta Work ran a horrible race last year in the Golf Cup, he never travelled at all and hit a load of fences especially on the second circuit. Every time Mark Walsh got him into some sort of a rhythm he hit a fence and had to start all over again. Considering how bad he ran he still finished 5th and only beaten 5 lengths. Now the one concern for me is that because he fell over Christmas Gordon has to get another run into him. Gordon would have skipped the Dublin Racing Festival if he had stayed on his feet a fortnight ago. I think he was a tired horse heading to Cheltenham last year and I would like to see him get a clear round next month, where he finishes doesn’t bother me. Once he gets round then 33/1 for the Gold Cup is a crazy price.

20/1 and 33/1 for two horses with bundles of class and both are previous Festival winners.

I think Kennedy missing the ride in March didn’t help Delta Work either & he’d be running again somewhere wether he fell or won over Xmas IMO, I think he’s one of those that improves after each run.

RivetingRoger

If rumours tonight are confirmed, this will all be irrelevant by Wednesday lads

Gutted

Dr. Bre

RivetingRoger wrote: »

If rumours tonight are confirmed, this will all be irrelevant by Wednesday lads

Gutted

What rumours ?

Darc19

Anyone have a comment on The Shunter for the county hurdle. (Friday)

He was impressive in November at Cheltenham in the Greatwood hurdle and Emmet Mullins seems to be getting a lot more out of him than the previous trainer.

I used to have a decent interest in racing and starting to get back into it again and The Shunter just came on my radar. So no tip/ inside info, just purely piqued my interest.

Took a punt at 25/1 on unibet (now 16's)

(also running next Sat in fairyhouse)

Earendil

RivetingRoger wrote: »

If rumours tonight are confirmed, this will all be irrelevant by Wednesday lads

Gutted

Stop with the dramatics Roge till we actually hear something concrete will ya.

abarkie

Dr. Bre wrote: »

What rumours ?

Racing to cease / go into lockdown on Wednesday per Twitter / Betfair forum

Ambulances required for hospitals apparently

NaiveMelodies

abarkie wrote: »

Racing to cease / go into lockdown on Wednesday per Twitter / Betfair forum

Ambulances required for hospitals apparently

Link?

abarkie

NaiveMelodies wrote: »

Link?

https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31684291/racing-covid-lockdown-rumours&post_num=5#560364241

IAMAMORON

I find it hard to see how a handful of Ambulances are going to make an impact on the UK's Covid crisis?

No sale so far, has any concrete evidence of racing being shut down been published at all?

Gay Kelleway thinking it is a good idea doesn't count btw.

Pogue eile

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I find it hard to see how a handful of Ambulances are going to make an impact on the UK's Covid crisis?

No sale so far, has any concrete evidence of racing being shut down been published at all?

Gay Kelleway thinking it is a good idea doesn't count btw.

It's not Racing they are speculating about, it is all elite sport. No idea if there is any substance to the rumours, but there are enough of them to make it seem like a real possibility. I don't think people here, as in Ireland, fully grasp exactly how serious the situation is in London where in some areas the numbers of infection are as high as 1 in 20.

The Mig

'Racing continues' - BHA and government sources move to quash shutdown rumours
https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/racing-continues-bha-and-government-sources-move-to-quash-shutdown-rumours/467664

IAMAMORON

Someone better tell Roger quick. The poor dude will have been in an awful state the last 24hrs.

NaiveMelodies

The Mig wrote: »

'Racing continues' - BHA and government sources move to quash shutdown rumours
https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/racing-continues-bha-and-government-sources-move-to-quash-shutdown-rumours/467664

Fcuk off Roger. Dope.

RivetingRoger

NaiveMelodies wrote: »

Fcuk off Roger. Dope.

I must be some man to have started that rumour!!
Fcuk you right back you absolute weapon

RivetingRoger

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Someone better tell Roger quick. The poor dude will have been in an awful state the last 24hrs.

U know how much it means to me kid! Third year in a row we have a bloody will it won't it ré the festival!

IAMAMORON

RivetingRoger wrote: »

U know how much it means to me kid! Third year in a row we have a bloody will it won't it ré the festival!

Control the controllables Raj, let the rest look after itself. No point getting het up about something you cannot offer a solution for, waste of time.

I am just hoping that Lydia makes it over to Leopardstown. Small mercies.

Joseph O'Brien has been quiet enough with his NH runners. What do you reckon he is scheming?

RivetingRoger

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Control the controllables Raj, let the rest look after itself. No point getting het up about something you cannot offer a solution for, waste of time.

I am just hoping that Lydia makes it over to Leopardstown. Small mercies.

Joseph O'Brien has been quiet enough with his NH runners. What do you reckon he is scheming?

Kevin Blake has been on the ol podcast scene saying Joseph is concentrating on the flat rats and easing out of the jumps game so I'd say he isn't breaking his arse to get back in the game

IAMAMORON

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Kevin Blake has been on the ol podcast scene saying Joseph is concentrating on the flat rats and easing out of the jumps game so I'd say he isn't breaking his arse to get back in the game

Is Blake a pal of his?