Shooting season suspended due to lockdown?

Grizzly 45

tudderone wrote: »

Is there no end to this bloody thing ? Pig sick of it at this stage :mad:.

I 'm guessing and to misquote the old Sager & Evans song...In the year 2025 maybe?

JCJCJC

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With the recent court case and out of court decision....[/QUOTE]

What’s an out of court decision?

Grizzly 45

A non-binding legal agreement that someone was a silly bollix and won't do it again, because they were wrong and are now looking at the court doors and are gonna lose... or they have a choice to go into the courtroom and prove to all that they are the latter description?

JCJCJC

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

A non-binding legal agreement that someone was a silly bollix and won't do it again, because they were wrong and are now looking at the court doors and are gonna lose... or they have a choice to go into the courtroom and prove to all that they are the latter description?

The silly bollix still has it on the Séidóg’s website:

https://www.garda.ie/en/about-us/our-departments/office-of-corporate-communications/news-media/what-about-pheasant-shooting-during-level-5-.html

Cass

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

A non-binding legal agreement that someone was a silly bollix and won't do it again,

Is that a direct quote of the legislation.

Grizzly 45

When you strip away all the high flaunting and fancy langauge that costs a lot of money....:pac:

JCJCJC

Well, has everyone got a freezer full of pheasants at this stage? I went out for a few hours today, got a few snipe, nothing else about. I expected duck on the ponds after the storms but met none, no woodcock in the glens either. I think it is too cold for the dog to get pheasant scents.

Grizzly 45

Nope,but I got a small chest freezer full of Sika calf.Of which I cooked and partook of this evening Strip loin done in red wine and chocolate sauce ala mr G Ramsey with Bavarian egg noodles. Gotta say Sika is one of the nicest eating deer I've ever come across!:)
A stroll tomorrow with the 20 GA for snipe is in order methinks.

JCJCJC

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Nope,but I got a small chest freezer full of Sika calf.Of which I cooked and partook of this evening Strip loin done in red wine and chocolate sauce ala mr G Ramsey with Bavarian egg noodles. Gotta say Sika is one of the nicest eating deer I've ever come across!:)
A stroll tomorrow with the 20 GA for snipe is in order methinks.

Your dinner sounds great... I don’t hunt deer but I get an odd one from buddies and I buy venison steaks in the English market in Cork. Plenty of snipe around, using the 20 is a very gentlemanly approach. We used to have a 16 and it hit every bit as hard as the 12s but having mixed shells in the house is risky.

Grizzly 45

When I was a kid, 14 or 15i managed to drop a four in one day..Once...with a single shot hammer 410, walked up over dogs.:p

yeah, that about the 20 is a point.its why I keep the ammo separate from the other ammo and in a low count amount.Its also why nowadays 20GA is high viz yellow.

JCJCJC

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

When I was a kid, 14 or 15i managed to drop a four in one day..Once...with a single shot hammer 410, walked up over dogs.:p

yeah, that about the 20 is a point.its why I keep the ammo separate from the other ammo and in a low count amount.Its also why nowadays 20GA is high viz yellow.

I have a .22 Hornet I never use, I’ve been told I need heavier artillery for deer.

Springwell

JCJCJC wrote: »

Well, has everyone got a freezer full of pheasants at this stage? I went out for a few hours today, got a few snipe, nothing else about. I expected duck on the ponds after the storms but met none, no woodcock in the glens either. I think it is too cold for the dog to get pheasant scents.

Yep - made a big batch of pheasant/pork meatballs, handy way to freeze them. Plus a good few duck gone in, think they'll be done for crispy duck pancakes new years eve

tudderone

Springwell wrote: »

Yep - made a big batch of pheasant/pork meatballs, handy way to freeze them. Plus a good few duck gone in, think they'll be done for crispy duck pancakes new years eve

Sounds lovely.

Grizzly 45

JCJCJC wrote: »

I have a .22 Hornet I never use, I’ve been told I need heavier artillery for deer.

The 22 Hornet has probably taken more deer under dubious circumstances than any other calibre on the planet.Known as the poachers calibre,it will do the job under the right conditions, but if you want to be legal and have enough oomph to drop anything on offer in Ireland a .243 or 308 is plenty gun.

JCJCJC

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

The 22 Hornet has probably taken more deer under dubious circumstances than any other calibre on the planet.Known as the poachers calibre,it will do the job under the right conditions, but if you want to be legal and have enough oomph to drop anything on offer in Ireland a .243 or 308 is plenty gun.

It’s damn near useless then. The rounds are too expensive for rabbits and the bang is so loud you only get one shot.

Grizzly 45

its a good foxing round,gone a bit out of favour since .223 came in,but still someone might take it on that basis.

customrifle

With the full lockdown in place are you permitted to deer stalk within your 5k?

J.R.

NARGC Statement 31.12.’20
regarding Level 5
Covid 19 Restrictions

See attached Statement from An Taoiseach, Mr. Micheal Martin, TD


https://merrionstreet.ie/en/news-room/news/spotlights/statement_-_an_taoiseach_michel_martin_-_move_to_full_level_5.html

These further restrictions to a full Level 5 are significant to us, as follows:
The only game or recreational shooting activity we can now engage in, is rough shooting done within 5km of our place of residence.
This must be done on our own or with someone from our family bubble.


The NARGC urges all its Members to employ common sense and personal responsibility.
All HSE Guidelines and good practices must always be strictly followed.


Covid-19 infection rates have spiked in recent days, and while we know our activity is very safe, we must always ensure our activities, from when we leave our dwelling until we return, do not contribute in any way to the spread of the virus.

Stay safe, and hopefully 2021 will be better.

Dan Curley
NATIONAL CHAIRMAN

JCJCJC

customrifle wrote: »

With the full lockdown in place are you permitted to deer stalk within your 5k?

Well, the NARGC statement just posted here says rough shooting only, I wouldn’t consider deer stalking to be rough shooting, but the fundamental law hadn’t changed - I would say you are ok as a matter of law. You might piss off your local NARGC fundamentalist fanatics but that’s up to you.

customrifle

Thanks for the clarity

The pigeon man

We may exercise within 5km of our homes. Provided the hunting you're engaging in involves some kind of exercise you are fine from the legal point of view.

Vermin control as an essential service may be performed outside the 5km limit. Probably best you have a letter from the farmer stating you are engaging in agricultural work, in case you are stopped.

meathstevie

customrifle wrote: »

With the full lockdown in place are you permitted to deer stalk within your 5k?

Yes as far as I can see.

meathstevie

JCJCJC wrote: »

Well, the NARGC statement just posted here says rough shooting only, I wouldn’t consider deer stalking to be rough shooting, but the fundamental law hadn’t changed - I would say you are ok as a matter of law. You might piss off your local NARGC fundamentalist fanatics but that’s up to you.

That’s more than likely because the freewheeling legal interpretation published by AGS at the start of the pheasant season specifically mentioned pheasant shooting. The deer season was already well underway by then and wasn’t even mentioned.

JCJCJC

meathstevie wrote: »

That’s more than likely because the freewheeling legal interpretation published by AGS at the start of the pheasant season specifically mentioned pheasant shooting. The deer season was already well underway by then and wasn’t even mentioned.

Good comment, but the Garda webpage (which is still up) went on to mention sport shooting generally, which an over-zealous Officer could take to mean deer shooting. It was clear from the outset that whatever eejit drafted that webpage hadn’t a clue about any kind of hunting with firearms.

kunekunesika

During the first lockdown, I was issued with a letter from the dept, with a section 42. This letter addressed to the garda in my area, stated that I was deemed to be an essential farm worker while shooting deer on this section. I didn't request this letter.
So I,ve shot away in this area, protecting a large field of turnips. I haven't shot consistently in other areas due to the various county bans etc.
My main test is will the farmer rigoursly defend my shooting if he gets a call. My turnip field farmer would have me pitch a tent in the field if possible. The others would probably say leave the deer alone until after lockdown, if asked? And I haven't asked.
We all have different situations, and as long as we are doing our best to stop this virus, we should be fine.
Sometimes, no is the most difficult, but correct answer.
Stay safe.

J.R.

My interpretation is:

• If you are going out within the 5km limit, on your own or with member from your family "bubble", you are okay.
  
  
• If you are going out beyond the 5km limit - you will need a letter from the landowner stating that your are controlling deer as part of vermin control which is an essential service.

tonysopprano

Under Level 5, you are allowed to travel outside the 5km limit to get food....

JCJCJC

tonysopprano wrote: »

Under Level 5, you are allowed to travel outside the 5km limit to get food....

...with a gun?

clivej

JCJCJC wrote: »

...with a gun?

To get food, what you deem as food is up to you, then yes IMO

J.R.

clivej wrote: »

To get food, what you deem as food is up to you, then yes IMO

Rough shooting quarry - pheasant, woodcock, snipe, duck and pigeons can all be classed as food items.

The NARGC statement states that rough shooting can only take place within the 5KM limit.