Shooting season suspended due to lockdown?

Feisar

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Can we start thinking out of the box and beyond our noses and short term gains and tribal politics if we ever want to advance here and keep shooting alive in Ireland?

This is a large part of the problem. I don't have my gun lover hat on when they come canvassing. I'd say I'm not the only one either.

s1ippy

The Healy Raes are making an absolute scene in the Dáil about this for the last half an hour, further delaying proceedings which were already going to run over time.

deeksofdoom

s1ippy wrote: »

The Healy Raes are making an absolute scene in the Dáil about this for the last half an hour, further delaying proceedings which were already going to run over time.

I haven't seen whats happening in the Dail today, but I can only imagine what those two idiots are saying, the last thing we need is those two bleeting on about mental health issues of shooters suffering from not being able to get out.

deeksofdoom

deeksofdoom wrote: »

Maybe we should all join the Green Party. We’re basically the same, we love the outdoors, the environment, conservation and the wildlife... except we eat the wildlife.

Rows Grower wrote: »

This is one of the best things I've read on here, an absolutely fantastic idea.

It was actually my idea to start with!.... although I was kind of being sarcastic.

robbiearmst

Something to be aware of lads, with over 200,000 registered firearms in the republic, we provide the state coffers with €16m in license fees alone. Then take into consideration the VAT on firearms / ammunition and accessories, throw into that the taxes paid by companies that employ staff for the industry, the catering services for events and the list goes on. The government has no idea what it is doing, which is blatantly obvious handling of this whole Covid debacle in general.

Xtrail14

Thought there would be away more than 200,000 registered fire arms in the country.

Grizzly 45

deeksofdoom wrote: »

I haven't seen whats happening in the Dail today, but I can only imagine what those two idiots are saying, the last thing we need is those two bleeting on about mental health issues of shooters suffering from not being able to get out.

They make valid points,but their delivery method and speaking is terrible. Without offending any people of the Kingdom here. When you are in full flow and volume,the rest of us have to reach for the translator.:), and unfortunately watching that debate our "taoiseach" knew what buttons to push on Jackie to get him back into full Kerry mode, and that just destroyed whatever points he had made.:P
Need to calm down a bit lads and think what you are saying, and esp what the other guy is saying, he might slip up and you can jump on him then and do a number on him.
And this goes for the whole lot in the Dail, roaring at each other across the chamber like at a cattle mart makes it fierce difficult for anyone to follow a debate, for what they are,but for great TV entertainment.

J.R.

deeksofdoom wrote: »

I haven't seen whats happening in the Dail today

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115163260&postcount=115

deeksofdoom

deeksofdoom wrote: »

I haven't seen whats happening in the Dail today, but I can only imagine what those two idiots are saying, the last thing we need is those two bleeting on about mental health issues of shooters suffering from not being able to get out.

I did actually get to watch that afterwards and Michael Martin wound them up to the last and they made a complete show of themselves.... we need better than those clowns to represent our interests.

garrettod

deeksofdoom wrote: »

I did actually get to watch that afterwards and Michael Martin wound them up to the last and they made a complete show of themselves.... we need better than those clowns to represent our interests.

Yup.

Now is the time to start finding those better people, positioning and resourcing them, so they can stand at the next election.

Rows Grower

Lads complaining they can’t get out pheasant shooting, three different TD’s speak out in the Dail at the most high profile time possible on behalf of the lads who can’t get out pheasant shooting.
Lads that can’t get out pheasant shooting complain about ; They are holding up other Dail business ; The manner in which they speak.
Lads who can’t get out pheasant shooting then try to plan to get one or more new TD’s elected solely on the issue that they can’t get out pheasant shooting.
It’s like break time in a crèche.

Grizzly 45

Rows Grower wrote: »

Lads complaining they can’t get out pheasant shooting, three different TD’s speak out in the Dail at the most high profile time possible on behalf of the lads who can’t get out pheasant shooting.
Lads that can’t get out pheasant shooting complain about ; They are holding up other Dail business ; The manner in which they speak.
Lads who can’t get out pheasant shooting then try to plan to get one or more new TD’s elected solely on the issue that they can’t get out pheasant shooting.
It’s like break time in a crèche.

Ok so your solution is???

Rows Grower

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Ok so your solution is???

Support the people who are supporting you or your cause, maybe write to them and thank them for raising the issue. That's what I'll be doing and I have no interest whatsoever in shooting pheasants.

To come on a public forum and claim to have the best interests of fellow hunters at heart and then go on and not only criticize but openly mock the democratically elected representatives who are trying to further your cause by bringing the subject directly to the leader of the country, at the earliest possible time, at the most opportune time is quite honestly not only disappointing but embarrassing to witness.

It's very easy to be a hurler on the ditch and tell us all what you'd like to do and how you'd do it and how you'd express it in your velvety tones in such a lovely articulate manner but the fact is you'll never get the opportunity to do that in the Dáil so wake up to reality and have some common decency and respect.

carq

Why are shooters getting so up in arms about this?
They are not the only ones who have to suck up a bit of pain during level 5.

Golf was banned even though it is a perfectly safe activity and was allowed during first lockdown.
Tennis also.

I dont agree that golf /tennis/ shooting should be stopped but they are.
so deal with it.

Rows Grower

carq wrote: »

Why are shooters getting so up in arms about this?
They are not the only ones who have to suck up a bit of pain during level 5.

Golf was banned even though it is a perfectly safe activity and was allowed during first lockdown.
Tennis also.

I dont agree that golf /tennis/ shooting should be stopped but they are.
so deal with it.

It's what we do.

Grizzly 45

Rows Grower wrote: »

Support the people who are supporting you or your cause, maybe write to them and thank them for raising the issue. That's what I'll be doing and I have no interest whatsoever in shooting pheasants.

To come on a public forum and claim to have the best interests of fellow hunters at heart and then go on and not only criticize but openly mock the democratically elected representatives who are trying to further your cause by bringing the subject directly to the leader of the country, at the earliest possible time, at the most opportune time is quite honestly not only disappointing but embarrassing to witness.

It's very easy to be a hurler on the ditch and tell us all what you'd like to do and how you'd do it and how you'd express it in your velvety tones in such a lovely articulate manner but the fact is you'll never get the opportunity to do that in the Dáil so wake up to reality and have some common decency and respect.

IOW No practical suggestions then?;):)

Rows Grower

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

IOW No practical suggestions then?;):)

Try reading the first paragraph again.

Rows Grower

We already have 3 elected representatives on our side. Imagine if every licence holder wrote to them individually and thanked them.

Feisar

Rows Grower wrote: »

We already have 3 elected representatives on our side. Imagine if every licence holder wrote to them individually and thanked them.

The pair in Kerry, who's the other one?

Got him!

Carq, I believe Golf was actually locked down the first time and is currently locked down again. It was opened up @ level 3 again but with restrictions as far as I know.
I think we have no option but to suck it up as you say and just get on with it for now.

However ,I shoot predominately on my own, so has nobody though of proposing that it should be allowed but only on a solo basis??

Uinseann_16

carq wrote: »

Why are shooters getting so up in arms about this?
They are not the only ones who have to suck up a bit of pain during level 5.

Golf was banned even though it is a perfectly safe activity and was allowed during first lockdown.
Tennis also.

I dont agree that golf /tennis/ shooting should be stopped but they are.
so deal with it.

Pheasant shooting is banned yet I can go shoot corvids or foxes or rabbits no bother I can also walk my dog down the field without the gun and that's alright
It's the way it was just shoved in right at the last minute that's the issue they clearly stated golf was not allowed but they weren't as clear with shooting
It appears to be underhand tactics by the greens that's why shooters are pissed
Honestly I couldn't care less about pheasant shooting I don't bother with it but I still popped off emails to all my TDs

Grizzly 45

Try reading the first paragraph again

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Have been doing it on a personal level since pre-internet times and pre boards.ie times,to anyone who made any sort of an effort to help us out.:)
Shows we are considerate if we all do send a text or email these days. But we need to up our game a lot more.

How about on a more personal level,we make it a resolution to try and get TWO people out shooting on a range or even trying a shot , Covid permitting, next year.We need fresh blood in the game,and it's up to us to recruit, and educate.

garrettod

Feisar wrote: »

The pair in Kerry, who's the other one?

Mattie spoke in support, before the man with the cap

Grizzly 45

Getting on with busisness,unlike the shambles over here.

Important note

Lockdown regulations apply throughout England from Thursday 5 November until Wednesday 2 December inclusive.

This means that we expect shooting in groups, including organised game shooting, to be able to resume from Thursday 3 December subject to local and regional restrictions.

Download the full guidance document here.


What is not permitted during the lockdown period

Driven game and other types of group shooting cannot take place from Thursday 5 November to Wednesday 2 December inclusive, as the new coronavirus regulations prevent gatherings of more than two people. England will return to a local and regional approach on 3 December and driven game shooting is expected to resume from that date subject to local and regional restrictions.

Leisure and sports facilities, including target shooting ranges and clay grounds are required to close up to and including 2 December.

What is permitted

Under the new coronavirus regulations, no person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse.

Exceptions where a person may leave their home include:

Undertaking paid work, or to provide voluntary services
Animal welfare
Open air recreation

Essential bird and mammalian pest control to protect crops, livestock or conservation may continue during the lockdown period. Pest bird shooting must comply with relevant general or individual licences as applicable. Pest control services requested by a landowner or agent can be construed either as work (whether paid or unpaid) or voluntary service. The regulations do not impose any limits on how far you can travel.

Deer stalking as part of a management plan agreed with the landowner can similarly be considered as work or voluntary service. There are no legal restrictions on how far you can travel.

Game management and gamekeeping activities may continue during the lockdown period. Ensuring that birds under your care are adequately provided with food and water is important.

Recreational shooting activity such as informal rough shooting, wildfowling and recreational deer stalking may continue as ‘open air recreation’ but subject to strict legal limits on numbers. You may only participate in shooting activity with people you live with, your support bubble (if you are living alone), or one person from another household.

Government guidance advises that you should only make short journeys for the purposes of exercise and recreation – it does not define what distance they mean by this. You may not stay away from your home overnight to partake in recreational activity.

Non-essential retailers such as gun shops are allowed to trade remotely (online, mail order) and to provide “click and collect” services but customers are not allowed to enter the premises.

Other advice

When shooting during lockdown, we would advise taking a copy of your shotgun or firearm certificate with you and paperwork for your permission to shoot on the land you are on.

During lockdown local sensitivities can be high – be aware of how your recreation may appear to others. Although it is not a legal requirement you may want to log your trip in advance with Police on 101.

Everyone shooting during lockdown must consider the impact of their actions on the image and reputation of the sport. We all have a responsibility to comply with the letter and spirit of the regulations and guidance.

Government guidance can be found here: www.gov.uk/guidance/new-national-restrictions-from-5-november with the regulations (legal text) here: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1200/pdfs/uksi_20201200_en.pdf

grassroot1

Got him! wrote: »

Carq, I believe Golf was actually locked down the first time and is currently locked down again. It was opened up @ level 3 again but with restrictions as far as I know.
I think we have no option but to suck it up as you say and just get on with it for now.

However ,I shoot predominately on my own, so has nobody though of proposing that it should be allowed but only on a solo basis??

yes it was

cavan shooter

J.R. wrote: »

I would imagine that NARGC insurance will not cover them as they have been told by NARGC that it’s banned. The same would then apply to other insurance cover brokers.

Risky going out with no insurance cover as many farmers only give permission to Gun Clubs, knowing they have public liability cover. Farmers may not be happy to find out that lads out pheasant shooting on their land have no insurance cover.

The fund will still cover you, that has been confirmed.

Grizzly 45

Can anyone link the NARGC letter to Mehole Martin. Its a good response to his snarky comments in the Dail to the HR's.

cookimonster

cavan shooter wrote: »

The fund will still cover you, that has been confirmed.

Have you got a reference to this, for my own information?

J.R.

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Can anyone link the NARGC letter to Mehole Martin. Its a good response to his snarky comments in the Dail to the HR's.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115187354&postcount=807

cavan shooter

cookimonster wrote: »

Have you got a reference to this, for my own information?

e mail Chris on it. lots of these questions being asked and in fairness he answered them. If you had an accident on sunday were you covered, answer is yes your covered and in fairness the fund would always cover you. Analogy used was if the tax is up on the car and you have an accident are you still insured. The answer is yes. Very approachable man and extremely helpful on all matters fund related.