2020 All Ireland Senior Football Championship MOD NOTE POST #1

LuasSimon

Compared to the two All Ireland Hurling semi finals the Football semi finals were boring to put it mildly.

dobman88

LuasSimon wrote: »

Compared to the two All Ireland Hurling semi finals the Football semi finals were boring to put it mildly.

There was 8-33 scored in yesterday's game. That's boring? I'd suggest football isnt for you if so.

kksaints

dobman88 wrote: »

There was 8-33 scored in yesterday's game. That's boring? I'd suggest football isnt for you if so.

High scoring doesn't mean high excitement. The match yesterday was done by 30 minutes.

LuasSimon

dobman88 wrote: »

There was 8-33 scored in yesterday's game. That's boring? I'd suggest football isnt for you if so.

Are you for real...the game was over after twenty minutes...where the outcome is gone beyond recall after a third of the match in any sport is boring.

bocaman

Could we ever see a day when the All-Ireland Club championship supersedes the county championship?

Mrsmum

dobman88 wrote: »

There was 8-33 scored in yesterday's game. That's boring? I'd suggest football isnt for you if so.

That was a walkover, nothing exciting about that in any way whatsoever.

C__MC

bocaman wrote: »

Could we ever see a day when the All-Ireland Club championship supersedes the county championship?

No the appeal is not there, that's reflected in crowds etc
Quality of football isn't great at club level.

C__MC

We need a competitive final to save this championship
It's been very poor quality despite the fairy tale exploits of cavan and tipp

Mrsmum

Mrsmum wrote: »

That was a walkover, nothing exciting about that in any way whatsoever.

Split Mayo!

If Dublin but 5-20 on any team in an AI semi there'd be the usual foaming at the mouth from everyone. The silence is deafening.

benji79

Genuine question. At what stage does it become boring even for Dublin fans if they keep winning? There must come a point where the edge goes off it

I saw it on a smaller scale here in cork with the ladies football, after a few wins people kinda became a bit indifferent to it. The novelty wore off
There would be men’s club fixtures the same time as the ladies final night be on and nobody was too worried about not even watching the game on tv

RoyalCelt

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

and you will lose an awful lot of Dubs by splitting the county

You've already lost more fans from the other leinster counties then currently go to support the dubs. Never mind the players not commuting or cutting careers short.

Dublin fans worrying about the buzz of championship matches dissappearing forget that the same has happened to other counties thanks to their manufactured dominance by the GAA.

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

One that has a massive amount of the population (which is a problem in itself!)

I do agree, however its not the majority, splitting Dublin does nothing for London, KK, Sligo etc.)

If you put more funds to counties to do these 4 things they'd have a chance to compete with Dublin North / South.

For Sligo let's say fund the following.

1. Maximise the playing numbers through GPO'S working in schools.
2. Provide the best possible training to all underage players in schools/clubs through GPO'S.
3. Funding to provide a professional administration within the county board
4. Funding to provide an elite set up for the players to train.

Say what you want about Sligo but if the 4 above points had been funded over the last 20 years to say the tune of 10M they'd be a far far better team today. Instead they're left to rot because they're not worthy of saving by the GAA.

dunnerc

benji79 wrote: »

Genuine question. At what stage does it become boring even for Dublin fans if they keep winning? There must come a point where the edge goes off it

I saw it on a smaller scale here in cork with the ladies football, after a few wins people kinda became a bit indifferent to it. The novelty wore off
There would be men’s club fixtures the same time as the ladies final night be on and nobody was too worried about not even watching the game on tv

Genuine question do you think the same with Kerry fans ?
81 Munster titles , total domination. Surely the edge came off winning Munster titles long ago
37 ALL Ireland titles way ahead here also

timmyntc

dunnerc wrote: »

Genuine question do you think the same with Kerry fans ?
81 Munster titles , total domination. Surely the edge came off winning Munster titles long ago
37 ALL Ireland titles way ahead here also

Nobody cares about Munster championship - been that way for quite a while.
At most you get 1 competitive game in the province - neutrals are long since caring about it. Doubt Kerry fans care that much either, so long as they dont lose.

dobman88

dunnerc wrote: »

Genuine question do you think the same with Kerry fans ?
81 Munster titles , total domination. Surely the edge came off winning Munster titles long ago
37 ALL Ireland titles way ahead here also

Nobody from Kerry gives a toss about the Munster championship. Similar to league, it's usually a way to get lads up to speed with games.

The hunger for all irelands always remains. But its only been 6 years since the last win so wont be panicking just yet.

dunnerc

dunnerc wrote: »

Genuine question do you think the same with Kerry fans ?
81 Munster titles , total domination. Surely the edge came off winning Munster titles long ago
37 ALL Ireland titles way ahead here also

And Kerry fans have been famous in the past for only showing up from the semis

Happyilylost

dunnerc wrote:

Genuine question do you think the same with Kerry fans ? 81 Munster titles , total domination. Surely the edge came off winning Munster titles long ago 37 ALL Ireland titles way ahead here also

The 2011 Leinster semi final between Dublin and Kildare drew a crowd of 58,324. Stand alone game.


Just 36,126 in the 2018 semi final double header turned up to watch Dublin vs. Kildare with Dublin winning 0-26 to 0-11 and with Meath beating Laois 3-13 to 0-11.

It would seem winning all the time or equally getting hammered all the time does affect attendance. Who'd of thought?

StupidLikeAFox

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Split Mayo!

If Dublin but 5-20 on any team in an AI semi there'd be the usual foaming at the mouth from everyone. The silence is deafening.

Well it's not really comparable - mayo haven't been dominating for years, they have to fundraise for most of their spending and didn't have a professional coaching system devised, implemented and subsidised by the gaa to create a conveyor belt of talent to the senior team. But you knew all that already!

BonnieSituation

kksaints wrote: »

High scoring doesn't mean high excitement. The match yesterday was done by 30 minutes.

"Hurling fan doesn't like hurling score shocker"

I suppose having points being knocked over from 70m constantly is your bag? Hurling has its own issues, and you should worry about them elsewhere.

Why come into the football thread to moan about hurling?

You have a thread for that.

This thread is the All Ireland Football 2020 thread, it's only to be used by the disgruntled to complain about Dublin and the splitting of Dublin.

BonnieSituation

benji79 wrote: »

Genuine question. At what stage does it become boring even for Dublin fans if they keep winning? There must come a point where the edge goes off it

I saw it on a smaller scale here in cork with the ladies football, after a few wins people kinda became a bit indifferent to it. The novelty wore off
There would be men’s club fixtures the same time as the ladies final night be on and nobody was too worried about not even watching the game on tv

Never. It never gets boring. The only thing that gets boring is the hackneyed "solutions".

Dyr

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Are you suggesting Meath aren't playing at their level? I wonder will the gaa put together a "save Meath" plan and fund a structure of professional coaching systems to bring them back to their rightful place.

That would be great, give them as much money as they need to spend on renovating Pairc Tailteann, collecting and burning hurleys, putting a statue up to the Witchdoctor, or whatever they want to piss money away on.

Will it make them any better? sure it might.

benji79

dunnerc wrote: »

Genuine question do you think the same with Kerry fans ?
81 Munster titles , total domination. Surely the edge came off winning Munster titles long ago
37 ALL Ireland titles way ahead here also

I’d say the Kerry lads are totally fed up. The likes of the o’se’s have been calling to scrap provincials with a few years. I’d say they know it’s not great preparation for the harder games which follow

formerlyET

benji79 wrote: »

I’d say the Kerry lads are totally fed up. The likes of the o’se’s have been calling to scrap provincials with a few years. I’d say they know it’s not great preparation for the harder games which follow

Scrapping the provincials or any move in the game should be done with a plan in place with a view of spreading and equalizing the game for counties like Leitrim, Sligo, and Longford.

All else is just moving chairs around - the game hasn't spread and weaker counties are not getting enough big days out.

dobman88

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And Kerry fans have been famous in the past for only showing up from the semis

Go on. I'll bite. I think this goes back to the days where it was a lot longer to travel to Dublin. From east Kerry, youd be looking at 5 hours to Dublin, pre motorway. Youd be looking at 7 hours from west or south Kerry. Add traffic into that and its 6-8+ hours just to get up for a match.

It's a lot easier nowadays, it's about 3 hours and with match traffic you wouldnt be looking at more than 5 no matter where you're travelling from so that difference is massive.

I think that's shown in league attendances by Kerry fans, especially since the introduction of the season ticket. I meet and socialise with people all over the country who I would never normally meet and you get a nice group of fans together.

I spose my point is, that's a kind of outdated view but the cost of travelling was always greater even if a lot of it wa Kerry arrogance at being in the semis or final every year.

WesternZulu

Deleted User wrote: »

Split Mayo!

If Dublin but 5-20 on any team in an AI semi there'd be the usual foaming at the mouth from everyone. The silence is deafening.

The thing is other counties could realistically try and replicate the structures Mayo have in place to be successful. The is nothing inherently unique about what Mayo are doing.

However, I don't think any county would be able to replicate the structures Dublin have in place be it from discrepancies in funding, GDO's, sponsorship, population, home advantage etc.

StupidLikeAFox

Bambi wrote: »

That would be great, give them as much money as they need to spend on renovating Pairc Tailteann, collecting and burning hurleys, putting a statue up to the Witchdoctor, or whatever they want to piss money away on.

Will it make them any better? sure it might.

Right, the argument is the culchies are too stupid to manage money. If only we were as clever as AIG All Stars we wouldn't be in this mess

ThunbergsAreGo

formerlyET wrote: »

Scrapping the provincials or any move in the game should be done with a plan in place with a view of spreading and equalizing the game for counties like Leitrim, Sligo, and Longford.

All else is just moving chairs around - the game hasn't spread and weaker counties are not getting enough big days out.

the weaker counties NEVER got days out!

ThunbergsAreGo

WesternZulu wrote: »

The thing is other counties could realistically try and replicate the structures Mayo have in place to be successful. The is nothing inherently unique about what Mayo are doing.

However, I don't think any county would be able to replicate the structures Dublin have in place be it from discrepancies in funding, GDO's, sponsorship, population, home advantage etc.

There are definite advantages that Dublin have over other teams (I actually sometimes think the training together is the main one...) but you do also have to give the players credit, they sacrifice as much as any other counties players.

The point you make about Mayo is a good one though, won the league last year and have done fantastically in the championship in the last decade with an argument of being the best team to have never won Sam - why cant other teams replicate them?

DVDM93

1. Cillian O'Connor 32-338 (434)
- 4 career hat-tricks
- Highest individual tally ever scored in a game

2. Colm Cooper 23-283 (352)

It's mad to think COC only has the 1 All-Star.

kksaints

BonnieSituation wrote: »

"Hurling fan doesn't like hurling score shocker"

I suppose having points being knocked over from 70m constantly is your bag? Hurling has its own issues, and you should worry about them elsewhere.

Why come into the football thread to moan about hurling?

You have a thread for that.

This thread is the All Ireland Football 2020 thread, it's only to be used by the disgruntled to complain about Dublin and the splitting of Dublin.

Did I mention hurling in my post? Can you honestly say yesterday's match was exciting compared to the Ulster final which was much lower scoring but much closer and the result was in doubt until the end?
A high score doesn't equal high excitement is true in all sports not just Gaelic football.

mulemule11

DVDM93 wrote: »

1. Cillian O'Connor 32-338 (434)
- 4 career hat-tricks
- Highest individual tally ever scored in a game

2. Colm Cooper 23-283 (352)

It's mad to think COC only has the 1 All-Star.

That is crazy alright. A decent performance in the final and he's in with a good chance for FOTY at least