Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

McMurphy

atticu wrote: »

I do apologise, I didn’t realise that you thought they were true.

Seeing as you believe them, let me know when you would like to buy some magic beans.

So, let's be clear here, are you suggesting the screenshots are Photoshopped/Fake?

A yes or no will do.

Let's clear it up. Use the pot, or get off it.

FrancieBrady

McMurphy wrote: »

Doherty is trying to get Leo to confirm or deny very specific questions about correspondence between himself and MOT.

can't help get the feeling that they have further screen grabs and are trying to steer Leo into s scenario where he'll have contradicted himself.

Yeh, agree that is what is going on.

FG members need to consider very carefully how long they are going to support this.

Bubbaclaus

McMurphy wrote: »

Did you say just something about being "duped", and mistake village magazine, and a tweet from Chay Bowes in the same post Blanch?

Village magazine didn't tweet that, chay bowes tweeted it.

Village Magazine retweeted Chay's tweet, without clarification. Clearly they agreed with how he was portraying it. Otherwise they wouldn't have retweeted him.

So people on here genuinely thought the conversation between Chay Bowes and Matt O'Toole on WhatsApp was actually with Leo?

FrancieBrady

McMurphy wrote: »

Doherty is trying to get Leo to confirm or deny very specific questions about correspondence between himself and MOT.

can't help get the feeling that they have further screen grabs and are trying to steer Leo into s scenario where he'll have contradicted himself.

Just listened back there...is Doherty suggesting that there was a 2nd 'Draft' document released?

atticu

McMurphy wrote: »

So, let's be clear here, are you suggesting the screenshots are Photoshopped/Fake?

A yes or no will do.

Let's clear it up. Use the pot, or get off it.

I don’t believe they are actual screenshots of the mobile phones of the people they are making out to be.

So, simply put, I believe they are fake.

I am sure that you will post up a link to try and prove that I am wrong.

FrancieBrady

atticu wrote: »

I don’t believe they are actual screenshots of the mobile phones of the people they are making out to be.

So, simply put, I believe they are fake.

I am sure that you will post up a link to try and prove that I am wrong.

Have yopu backed up your contention that they are fake?

has Leo denied that any of these screenshots are his? He got another opportunity in the Dáíl to do that when he was specifically asked about his phone records.

McMurphy

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Village Magazine retweeted Chay's tweet, without clarification. Clearly they agreed with how he was portraying it. Otherwise they wouldn't have retweeted him.

So people on here genuinely thought the conversation between Chay Bowes and Matt O'Toole on WhatsApp was actually with Leo?

Not everyone misread the tweet, I admit I did, and am sure many others did too, but as can be evidenced in this thread, not everyone did.

There is an argument that if people misread the tweet, or if it was deliberately misleading.

Bubbaclaus

McMurphy wrote: »

Not everyone misread the tweet, I admit I did, and am sure many others did too, but as can be evidenced in this thread, not everyone did.

There is an argument that if people misread the tweet, or if it was deliberately misleading.

I'd say it was just a poorly written tweet rather than anything deliberate.

stockshares

stockshares wrote: »

Does anyone know why the NAGP weren't included?

Was it because Gov were aware of the way it was being run or was it pure bias towards IMO.

timmyntc wrote: »

Didn't have a license for negotiations - which led to members leaving & contributed to their debts which ultimately led them to liquidation.

O'Tuathails plan to get the contract & put it to members was presumably to boost membership in the union & stop things falling apart.

Thanks, why did they not have a license?

McMurphy

atticu wrote: »

I don’t believe they are actual screenshots of the mobile phones of the people they are making out to be.

So, simply put, I believe they are fake.

I am sure that you will post up a link to try and prove that I am wrong.

Oh ok, and I thought we were arguing on something else completely.

atticu wrote: »

If you believe that is a screenshot of anyone’s phone,

By the way, if you think you need "Photoshop" to fake a text...... Here's you and me having a full on WhatsApp exchange, no need for photo shop FFS.

I have some magic beans that you are probably interested in buying.

Given that you are of the belief a whistleblower would have faked screenshots of serious allegations they put in the public domain, I've no doubt you fully believe you have "magic" beans for sale. I ain't buying though.

Get up the yard.

ooter

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Just listened back there...is Doherty suggesting that there was a 2nd 'Draft' document released?

Is he saying he got another copy from the general secretary?

cameramonkey

blanch152 wrote: »

Yes, it appears you have been duped into thinking that the texts were between Leo and Matt. Looks deliberate on Village Magazine's part, but it all consists of Matt's version of his interactions with Harris and Varadkar, and is second-hand information.

Disgraceful mud-slinging by Village, but not surprising that they have found patsys to repeat it as if it came directly from Leo.

Leo should release all his txt messages and clear the matters at hand up.
I am sure in the interests of transparency you would support such a move.

James Brown

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Because the details were already in the public domain, it wasn't a secret. But his, sharing of the contract, the written copy of it, shouldn't have been sent to a friend or rival organisation before even the IMO received their official copy.

No they were not.
Harris refused.
You are suggesting info was available but neither organisation had it. You are contradicting yourself. Why did he need ask Harris and then LV to see it?
LV himself accepts it was confidential and wrong to pass it to his pal.
FF/FG/Greens playing it down doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Bannasidhe

cameramonkey wrote: »

Leo should release all his txt messages and clear the matters at hand up.
I am sure in the interests of transparency you would support such a move.

Absolutely.

Full disclosure to the proper authorities, quick investigation (shouldn't take long as apparently there's nothing to see here), Leo vindicated.
Story over/.

Right now it's growing legs and snapping around the Dáil like a rabid rat.
Not good for govt.

Fann Linn

Leo apparently deleted all these WhatsApp messages now according to Dail questions. Questions over FOI implications.

timmyntc

Fann Linn wrote: »

Leo apparently deleted all these WhatsApp messages now according to Dail questions. Questions over FOI implications.

Nothing says innocent man like deleting all your WhatsApp messages

Fann Linn

Fann Linn wrote: »

Leo apparently deleted all these WhatsApp messages now according to Dail questions. Questions over FOI implications.

Taken from Gavin Reilly's account of 'Leaker's Questions!

His pun!!!

SouthWesterly

Fann Linn wrote: »

Leo apparently deleted all these WhatsApp messages now according to Dail questions. Questions over FOI implications.

If it was his work phone, he has put himself in some serious do-do

Bubbaclaus

McMurphy wrote: »

Oh ok, and I thought we were arguing on something else completely.



By the way, if you think you need "Photoshop" to fake a text...... Here's you and me having a full on WhatsApp exchange, no need for photo shop FFS.




Get up the yard.

Is that Leo asking about screenshots?

Nobotty

Fann Linn wrote: »

Leo apparently deleted all these WhatsApp messages now according to Dail questions. Questions over FOI implications.

Yeah he said that on Tuesday night but are whatsapps covered under FoI ? I doubt it

zerosugarbuzz

timmyntc wrote: »

Nothing says innocent man like deleting all your WhatsApp messages

True, I’ve never deleted a WhatsApp message or a text for that matter. Why would you?

SouthWesterly

Nobotty wrote: »

Yeah he said that on Tuesday night but are whatsapps covered under FoI ? I doubt it

They are on his work phone

Fann Linn

Nobotty wrote: »

Yeah he said that on Tuesday night but are whatsapps covered under FoI ? I doubt it

Doherty apparently saying there is precedent.

Not gone away.

McMurphy

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Is that Leo asking about screenshots?

Na it's just a serial goalpost mover firstly suggesting they're not screenshots of anyone's actual phones, quickly moving on to suggest that it actually is someone's phone, but photo shop was used to fake the sender/recipient are.

Same shyte different day from them.

blanch152

cameramonkey wrote: »

Leo should release all his txt messages and clear the matters at hand up.
I am sure in the interests of transparency you would support such a move.

For what reason should they be released?

He is entitled to privacy like everyone else.

seamus

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

True, I’ve never deleted a WhatsApp message or a text for that matter. Why would you?

If I was a high-ranking politician, I would probably make a point of deleting them quite often if I'm to be honest.

No matter how decent you are, at some point someone will have the knives out for you, and being unable to produce evidence that could incriminate you would be a smart move.

It's unlikely this was a work phone, would you send any text messages on your work phone if you were Taoiseach?

It's amusing to see people using the "An innocent man has nothing to hide" argument here when it suits them.

atticu

McMurphy wrote: »

Oh ok, and I thought we were arguing on something else completely.



By the way, if you think you need "Photoshop" to fake a text...... Here's you and me having a full on WhatsApp exchange, no need for photo shop FFS.




Get up the yard.

I believe that they are fake, and you believe they are real.

You are trying to twist and turn, but I have stuck by what I said. They are fake. They are not a screenshot of someone’s phone.
I believe they are photoshopped.

You have been so kind to prove my point.

Grade E - Must try harder.

Yurt2

Leo and acolytes firmly in Nixon territory on this.

thomas 123

blanch152 wrote: »

For what reason should they be released?

He is entitled to privacy like everyone else.

Wait wait wait , so he’s entitled to privacy, but also entitled to carry out work for the state, or in the states best interest via what’s app, which is it?

FrancieBrady

Fann Linn wrote: »

Doherty apparently saying there is precedent.

Not gone away.

So, if true, we add destruction of official state records.