Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

Baggly

costacorta wrote: »

You must be devastated waiting all weekend telling people something big coming . Ye really are a sad bunch and lead a very sad life by the looks of it . Adios some of us have to work for a living so pull up the pants and throw away the tissues as nothing to be seen ...

Mod

Don't come back.

smurgen

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Total slimeball by the sounds of it.

Well in with all terrestrial news channels also, a regular on the Telly over the covid, guest appearance on Claire Byrne live etc. His career is ruined.

I said this 2 weeks ago , the real victims in this are going to be Matt Tool and Whatshisname. If anything Leo will come out smelling like roses.

Public perception is everything and the common voter now knows that this is a desperate attempt to besmirch Leo Varadkar. They fired, they missed and he will actually come out of this looking stronger than ever.

Ya a real hero remembering rules when he wants to.

https://twitter.com/VillageMagIRE/status/1325143533053857793?s=19

JohnnyFlash

Yurt! wrote: »

The personality cult that has developed around Leo within the FG party and supporters of a certain ilk is one of the creepiest phenomenons in Irish politics in recent years. It's utterly bizzare.

He's popular for a reason, dude. A strong communicator, hard-working, clear and authoritative, has the required ruthless streak, helped deliver things like The Wild Atlantic Way, a budget surplus that allowed us to borrow at record low interest rates, Marriage Equality referendum, legislating for abortion rights etc etc.



A strong, modern, progressive leader. All good in the FG camp. Might be up to others to look for the skeletons in theirs (if you'll pardon the pun). I doubt he'll be around for the guts of 30 years though and remained unopposed for that length of time.

Larbre34

According to a contribution on The Last Word earlier, Govt sources are laughing at what was published today. Its more than a bit pathetic.

Not to mention the amount of political capital SF are expending on it while Seamus Woulfe's fate is about 2 days away. Talk about the worst waste of a MOC in Irish political history.

FrancieBrady

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

He's popular for a reason, dude. A strong communicator, hard-working, clear and authoritative, has the required ruthless streak, helped deliver things like The Wild Atlantic Way, a budget surplus that allowed us to borrow at record low interest rates, Marriage Equality referendum, legislating for abortion rights etc etc.



A strong, modern, progressive leader. All good in the FG camp. Might be up to others to look for the skeletons in theirs (if you'll pardon the pun). I doubt he'll be around for the guts of 30 years though and remained unopposed for that length of time.

Got 21% of the vote in his first election as leader. One of the worst performances ever by a FG leader.

Kinda takes the gloss of the PR stuf above Johnny.

smurgen

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

He's popular for a reason, dude. A strong communicator, hard-working, clear and authoritative, has the required ruthless streak, helped deliver things like The Wild Atlantic Way, a budget surplus that allowed us to borrow at record low interest rates, Marriage Equality referendum, legislating for abortion rights etc etc.



A strong, modern, progressive leader. All good in the FG camp. Might be up to others to look for the skeletons in theirs (if you'll pardon the pun). I doubt he'll be around for the guts of 30 years though and remained unopposed for that length of time.

Wild atlantic way lol. Failte Ireland bud.

FrancieBrady

Larbre34 wrote: »

According to a contribution on The Last Word earlier, Govt sources are laughing at what was published today. Its more than a bit pathetic.

Not to mention the amount of political capital SF are expending on it while Seamus Woulfe's fate is about 2 days away. Talk about the worst waste of a MOC in Irish political history.

Leo had done enough to warrant a MoNC supported by the two major opposition parties.

I heard Pearse today after this latest release from the Village and it didn't factor into his main criticism at all.

A MoNC has functions other than getting rid of somebody. This one is causing political discomfort and damage across the Dáil.

JohnnyFlash

Larbre34 wrote: »

According to a contribution on The Last Word earlier, Govt sources are laughing at what was published today. Its more than a bit pathetic.

Not to mention the amount of political capital SF are expending on it while Seamus Woulfe's fate is about 2 days away. Talk about the worst waste of a MOC in Irish political history.

A motion of confidence is a bit of political theatre for the most part unless the coalition numbers are very tight, or one of the parties in opposition is looking for a way out.


This wasn't the right time for SF to call one. You don't get to call them all the time, and they cried wolf with this one. Having to spend 30k on hiring the conference centre for it is bad optics as well.



Bit of political pie all over the green wool jumper of SF this evening.

thecomedian

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

A motion of confidence is a bit of political theatre for the most part unless the coalition numbers are very tight, or one of the parties in opposition is looking for a way out.


This wasn't the right time for SF to call one. You don't get to call them all the time, and they cried wolf with this one. Having to spend 30k on hiring the conference centre for it is bad optics as well.



Bit of political pie all over the green wool jumper of SF this evening.

Useless in opposition!
This government has been a shambles since it was formed but SF haven’t capitalised and at times are too busy fixing their own mess.

IAMAMORON

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Bit of political pie all over the green wool jumper of SF this evening.

This is what really worries me the most about their offer to the country. They are seemingly well invested in media relations, there is plenty of evidence of that on this thread alone. That is before mentioning the army of bots they have spamming twitter all day long.

But what gets my jaw dropping the most is how incoherent and inept their strategies seem to evolve? Their incompetency is mind boggling. Everything they seem to be doing appears typically reactionary, without subtlety or context. This current witch-hunt has been poorly planned and obviously never thought through with any level of political coherence? Trying to expose the Tánaiste the same week of the US elections is completely farcical, whose idea was that?

FrancieBrady

IAMAMORON wrote: »

This is what really worries me the most about their offer to the country. They are seemingly well invested in media relations, there is plenty of evidence of that on this thread alone. That is before mentioning the army of bots they have spamming twitter all day long.

But what gets my jaw dropping the most is how incoherent and inept their strategies seem to evolve? Their incompetency is mind boggling. Everything they seem to be doing appears typically reactionary, without subtlety or context. This current witch-hunt has been poorly planned and obviously never thought through with any level of political coherence? Trying to expose the Tánaiste the same week of the US elections is completely farcical, whose idea was that?

Tanaiste is exposed. Did you miss that bit?

So exposed he has a damaging MoNC to face tomorrow backed by the two main opposition parties.

Massive collateral damage done (self inflicted IMO) to brand FG. Fulfilling what was said here before, they will expend the bonus they got for managing the beginning of the pandemic. Leo had already had a 10% freefall in his personal ratings before the latest fiasco.

Nobotty

I personally think Vradakar didn't see any wrong in what he did at the time
He does now obviously
If what he did was not illegal, it should be

My biggest problem with it was touched on by Louise o'Reilly today and that is how in the hell can the state be trusted to negotiate in good faith with anyone if they're simply handing over confidential material to those outside the process
I mean how hard is it or would it have been to call MoT with others into an official meeting instead?

The narrative here on in will be 'we've learned from this,we hear you and will operate best practice in future ' and it will be nothing to see here
Its enough to make you sick
Badly planned amateurs behind it
Too late now

IAMAMORON

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Tanaiste is exposed. Did you miss that bit?

So exposed he has a damaging MoNC to face tomorrow backed by the two main opposition parties.

Massive collateral damage done (self inflicted IMO) to brand FG. Fulfilling what was said here before, they will expend the bonus they got for managing the beginning of the pandemic. Leo had already had a 10% freefall in his personal ratings before the latest fiasco.

Nobody really cares Francie. Tomorrows vote is being perceived as a waste of time by voters.

Deep down everyone knows politicians are not squeaky clean. But at the end of the day shoulders get shrugged as long as the job is getting done, it is a simple enough formula.

Throw in as many adjectives as you like, but Leo will not lose any support over this. In fact it will have emboldened support at a grass root level, he took his few smacks and got on with it.

People like winners and people who are brave, he has shown both of those qualities. In the meantime Pears has come out of this looking like a whinging crank picking holes over who stole a Mars bar from his sports bag, Aodhán O'Ríordain just gave Alan Kelly another 4 years at the wheel and the rest of the lefties couldn't follow up. The lack of relevance of our independent TD's has never been emphasised so jarringly.

In the meantime behind the scenes it looks to have been that the entire Sinn Féin public relations team were pinning their hopes on an article from a website which is run by a journalist in a one room office somewhere in the city centre. Their best stab at this appears to have been a process of faux outrage which has meandered into a dissection of a TD's social life. As I mentioned above someone needs to sack the strategist because the current tac has fallen flat on its face.

FrancieBrady

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Nobody really cares Francie. Tomorrows vote is being perceived as a waste of time by voters.

No data on which to base that comment.

Deep down everyone knows politicians are not squeaky clean. But at the end of the day shoulders get shrugged as long as the job is getting done, it is a simple enough formula.

Throw in as many adjectives as you like, but Leo will not lose any support over this. In fact it will have emboldened support at a grass root level, he took his few smacks and got on with it.

People like winners and people who are brave, he has shown both of those qualities. In the meantime Pears has come out of this looking like a whinging crank picking holes over who stole a Mars bar from his sports bag, Aodhán O'Ríordain just gave Alan Kelly another 4 years at the wheel and the rest of the lefties couldn't follow up. The lack of relevance of our independent TD's has never been emphasised so jarringly.

In the meantime behind the scenes it looks to have been that the entire Sinn Féin public relations team were pinning their hopes on an article from a website which is run by a journalist in a one room office somewhere in the city centre. Their best stab at this appears to have been a process of faux outrage which has meandered into a dissection of a TD's social life. As I mentioned above someone needs to sack the strategist because the current tac has fallen flat on its face.

SF made their No Confidence motion on foot of what Leo has already done. The 'damage' is done. The 'support' will fll again.

You are bull****ting here about them waiting for revelations.

The Village will pick away at Leo's reputation, which is their entitlement. It doesn't negate what is happening tomorrow.

Please don't be talking for 'the people'. It is bull**** unbacked up nonsense.

RandomViewer

Be thinking Varadkar will break his promise to stop undermining MM by the weekend, Mickey Martin in leadership challenge by Christmas? Living laVida loco for the last time

James Brown

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Paddy Cosgrave has become an increasingly desperate, bitter, and slightly unhinged figure since the start of Covid-19. The Village really should have heard the alarm bells ringing when he fed them this story.

This story was created in the outrage furnaces of Twitter from poor quality material and sold to the masses looking for something new to be outraged about. It’s a timely tale that some of the regulars on the current affairs forum should use as a learning opportunity.

No, it was created by and about Leo Varadkar leaking confidential information to a pal.
In the rush to dismiss this, it's important to remember the actual story, which isn't trying to discredit the sources, after we know LV leaked confidential information to a pal, upon request, behind the backs to his colleagues. There's as much desperation to bury this fact IMO.

James Brown

IAMAMORON wrote: »

This is what really worries me the most about their offer to the country. They are seemingly well invested in media relations, there is plenty of evidence of that on this thread alone. That is before mentioning the army of bots they have spamming twitter all day long.

But what gets my jaw dropping the most is how incoherent and inept their strategies seem to evolve? Their incompetency is mind boggling. Everything they seem to be doing appears typically reactionary, without subtlety or context. This current witch-hunt has been poorly planned and obviously never thought through with any level of political coherence? Trying to expose the Tánaiste the same week of the US elections is completely farcical, whose idea was that?

So the then Taoiseach going behind the backs of ministers to leak confidential information to a pal, and not being held to account, while fellow ministers and coalition partners shrug it off isn't worrying? You must have some blind trust in FF/FG. Would the numerous folk telling us it was an non story and insulting posters from the first page of this thread not factor into your 'bot' idea?
The fake media being unfair? Witch hunt is it? As you say in the week of the US election was hoping the Trump mentality was on the way out.

smurgen

Varadkar could always publish his txt messages to MOT and all of his correspondence with the NAGP if he wanted to take the wind out of their sails. He could also finally go for that defamation case against those accusing him of law breaking. According to some of the big city lawyers in here it should be simple for him to clear his name of LEGAL wrong doing.

IAMAMORON

Bowie wrote: »

So the then Taoiseach going behind the backs of ministers to leak confidential information to a pal, and not being held to account, while fellow ministers and coalition partners shrug it off isn't worrying? You must have some blind trust in FF/FG. Would the numerous folk telling us it was an non story and insulting posters from the first page of this thread not factor into your 'bot' idea?
The fake media being unfair? Witch hunt is it? As you say in the week of the US election was hoping the Trump mentality was on the way out.

I said it from the start , the entire debacle is a non-story. People are not stupid and nor do they deserve to be patronised. Everyone knows politics is a dirty game. The biggest crime here was Leo underestimating the loyalty and responsibility he awarded to Matt Tool.

The next polls will be hilarious when they come out. I guarantee you Leo's popularity will have risen. This entire fiasco will have turned out to be a PR disaster for the opposition front bench. Heads should really roll in the PR department.

Bubbaclaus

smurgen wrote: »

Varadkar could always publish his txt messages to MOT and all of his correspondence with the NAGP if he wanted to take the wind out of their sails. He could also finally go for that defamation case against those accusing him of law breaking. According to some of the big city lawyers in here it should be simple for him to clear his name of LEGAL wrong doing.

They did a good enough job taking the wind out of their own sails. Varadkar doesn't need to do anything at this point, the only people keeping this going are opposition parties point scoring and people that disliked him anyway, neither of which are his base.

Nobotty

Yeah but they only thing he's being accused of doing illegal, he says isn't illegal and probably wasn't so he doesn't need to go anything there
As for the texts published today, they're nothing but a pile of Rubbish tbh
No point calling them anything else

smurgen

Nobotty wrote: »

Yeah but they only thing he's being accused of doing illegal, he says isn't illegal and probably wasn't so he doesn't need to go anything there
As for the texts published today, they're nothing but a pile of Rubbish tbh
No point calling them anything else

Ya famously the law allows those accused of crimes to declare themselves innocent lol.

IAMAMORON

FrancieBrady wrote: »

SF made their No Confidence motion on foot of what Leo has already done. The 'damage' is done. The 'support' will fll again.

You are bull****ting here about them waiting for revelations.

The Village will pick away at Leo's reputation, which is their entitlement. It doesn't negate what is happening tomorrow.

Please don't be talking for 'the people'. It is bull**** unbacked up nonsense.

I respect you are angry about all this. It is difficult when PR campaigns fall flat on their face and everyone realises they are meaningless.

As Jimi Hendrix once sang

" and so castles made of sand.... fall in the sea...... eventually "

FrancieBrady

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I respect you are angry about all this. It is difficult when PR campaigns fall flat on their face and everyone realises they are meaningless.

As Jimi Hendrix once sang

" and so castles made of sand.... fall in the sea...... eventually "

I'm the guy who way at the start said it would end one of two ways...Varadkar gone or FG and he shipping serious damage to credibility.

The MoNC is a Brucie bonus for me, I didn't think it would go that far.

Jinglejangle69

The village obviously leaking the texts to Peasre before Leo answered questions last week.

Pearse thought he was onto a winner with the Harris coffee fabrication.

The village are showing themselves to be very ameteurish and I'm surprised SF are falling for it.

IAMAMORON

Deleted User wrote: »

Distributing confidential info to 3rd parties is a non-story,how?

Welcome to the 3rd millenium Blaaz.

I am story this non story did not get the public attention and traction you were hoping for. As you well know, when you aim to shoot the devil you best not miss.

Everyone knows that Leo's support will now rally and he will get a nice bounce in the polls from this.

Confidential docs my eye. The whole country knows it.

IAMAMORON

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

The village obviously leaking the texts to Peasre before Leo answered questions last week.

Pearse thought he was onto a winner with the Harris coffee fabrication.

The village are showing themselves to be very ameteurish and I'm surprised SF are falling for it.

It shows them up and makes them look desperate.

This story has less traction than Bambi on ice at this point.

IAMAMORON

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I'm the guy who way at the start said it would end one of two ways...Varadkar gone or FG and he shipping serious damage to credibility.

The MoNC is a Brucie bonus for me, I didn't think it would go that far.

It looks petty to be honest. If anything it is highly likely to galvanise the coalition partners. They are aware of the type of fight they are in now. Even if they couldn't stand Leo's guts, there is no way they were going to compromise their Dáil seat, or their pension, on some drummed up outrage instigated by an overzealous 20something millionaire who fancies himself as a political puppeteer?

Leo could have blocked the Daíl Jacks and come out of this with less popularity. It is a win win for him.

Bannasidhe

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Nobody really cares Francie. Tomorrows vote is being perceived as a waste of time by voters.

I'm a tax payer, have been since the late 1970s.
I think letting a govt know they have to account for the action of all it's members, and plus their collective actions is never a waste of money.

Many many advisors plus professional spin doctors - now that's a waste of money.