Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

smurgen

thecomedian wrote: »

When they lose a debate, they will have a cut at you!

Not at all. More like don't saw the branch you sit on.

Bannasidhe

IAMAMORON wrote: »

No , a waste of money is renting out the convention centre tomorrow for a meaningless vote that has no chance of being carried.

With all due respect the country has better things to be doing at this moment, both with its' money and with its' time.

Things like special advisors and media wonks and yet it's a cock- up a week and bad publicity?

Over €15m will be spent on paying the wages of more than 60 political and media advisors over the course of this Government.

The 64 advisers will be employed at a cost of over €3m per year, slightly more than the last Government. This includes 10 advisors who will work for junior ministers after the Cabinet's controversial approval of the posts this week.

The pay figure does not include pension contributions or any other benefits.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40055195.html

How many votes of No Confidence would the salary (plus pension and benefits) of LV's aide pay for I wonder?

Not to mention the 'we didn't put it out to tender' sanitizer that had to be withdrawn.

Of all the reasons a vote of NC might be a bad idea saving money when we have a govt flinging money away is a particularly poor one.

smurgen

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Things like special advisors and media wonks and yet it's a cock- up a week and bad publicity?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40055195.html

How many votes of No Confidence would the salary (plus pension and benefits) of LV's aide pay for I wonder?

Not to mention the 'we didn't put it out to tender' sanitizer that had to be withdrawn.

Of all the reasons a vote of NC might be a bad idea saving money when we have a govt flinging money away is a particularly poor one.

Shhhhhh costs are important again.

IAMAMORON

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Things like special advisors and media wonks and yet it's a cock- up a week and bad publicity?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40055195.html

How many votes of No Confidence would the salary (plus pension and benefits) of LV's aide pay for I wonder?

Not to mention the 'we didn't put it out to tender' sanitizer that had to be withdrawn.

Of all the reasons a vote of NC might be a bad idea saving money when we have a govt flinging money away is a particularly poor one.

I mean you we can sit here all night debating the merits of SPAD salaries and whether or not they are a benefit to the government or not.

But it has nothing to do with the motion being raised tomorrow?

Bannasidhe

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I mean you we can sit here all night debating the merits of SPAD salaries and whether or not they are a benefit to the government or not.

But it has nothing to do with the motion being raised tomorrow?

But dearest, tis you were complaining about the cost and how there are more important things to spend money on.

Don't you want to talk about the things this govt is spending money on now?

FrancieBrady

RTE documentary on John Delaney. Leo thought putting Michael in charge would be like putting this man back in charge of the FAI.

Timely reminder of his judgement calls.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Must be one of the most successful governments of all time in Maryanneland so.

Shame that the reality is that it has been firefighting and in chaos almost from the first week of existence.

Ah, Frankie. Just let it go. The Current Government came together because no one else would. Let them get on with the job. If they’ve cocked up, punish them at the next GE. For now, let them do the job no one else wanted. Night night. God Bless.

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah, Frankie. Just let it go. The Current Government came together because no one else would. Let them get on with the job. If they’ve cocked up, punish them at the next GE. For now, let them do the job no one else wanted. Night night. God Bless.

'Leave us alone', we know best'.

Not gonna happen.

Bannasidhe

The terribly well paid and not at all a waste of money govt media advisors are going to be up all night trying to come up with a spin detailing why a FG member, ex FG Attorney General and FG nominee to the Supreme Court is refusing to resign after being asked to by the Chief Justice has nothing to do with either FG or LV

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2020/1109/1177052-woulfe-clarke/

MM will no doubt tell us that was the last govt and he wasn't a member of the last govt he was only the prop on the bench.

Some high ranking FGers really are starting to look like flaky, entitled, wanna be Bullingdon toffs who aren't accountable to anyone.

IAMAMORON

Bannasidhe wrote: »

But dearest, tis you were complaining about the cost and how there are more important things to spend money on.

Don't you want to talk about the things this govt is spending money on now?

All politicians are entitled to advisors, it is an integral part of the game.

Just because Sinn Féin don't get the budget for a similar spend does not make it wrong. If they were in government they would know this.

In the grand scale of things these appointments are actually a decent investment. They enable government to be better informed and to make better decisions which enables the country to be more prosperous and efficient. Advisors are a necessary investment enabling better decision making and thus economies on a macro level.

FrancieBrady

Bannasidhe wrote: »

The terribly well paid and not at all a waste of money govt media advisors are going to be up all night trying to come up with a spin detailing why a FG member, ex FG Attorney General and FG nominee to the Supreme Court is refusing to resign after being asked to by the Chief Justice has nothing to do with either FG or LV

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2020/1109/1177052-woulfe-clarke/

MM will no doubt tell us that was the last govt and he wasn't a member of the last govt he was only the prop on the bench.

Some high ranking FGers really are starting to look like flaky, entitled, wanna be Bullingdon toffs who aren't accountable to anyone.

Pure arrogance.

The audacity of some of the apologists to point at others and call them Trumpian. Takes some front.

RandomViewer

IAMAMORON wrote: »

All politicians are entitled to advisors, it is an integral part of the game.

Just because Sinn Féin don't get the budget for a similar spend does not make it wrong. If they were in government they would know this.

In the grand scale of things these appointments are actually a decent investment. They enable government to be better informed and to make better decisions which enables the country to be more prosperous and efficient. Advisors are a necessary investment enabling better decision making and thus economies on a macro level.

How does appointing relatives and stoner friends as advisors make anything efficient,
FG would buy slurry if you labelled it Caviar .

IAMAMORON

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Some high ranking FGers really are starting to look like flaky, entitled, wanna be Bullingdon toffs who aren't accountable to anyone.

The hot brigade raises it's complicated head again.

What is a Bullingdon toff?

Honest question btw?

RandomViewer

IAMAMORON wrote: »

The hot brigade raises it's complicated head again.

What is a Bullingdon toff?

Honest question btw?

David Cameron and the pig

Bannasidhe

IAMAMORON wrote: »

All politicians are entitled to advisors, it is an integral part of the game.

Just because Sinn Féin don't get the budget for a similar spend does not make it wrong. If they were in government they would know this.

In the grand scale of things these appointments are actually a decent investment. They enable government to be better informed and to make better decisions which enables the country to be more prosperous and efficient. Advisors are a necessary investment enabling better decision making and thus economies on a macro level.

But...but...Whatabout SF... if they if they if they....SSSSSIIIIIIIINNNN FEEEIIIIIIINNNNN...

If they tried pulling something like this you and the other 'Nothing to See Here' gang would be losing your minds and foaming at the mouths screaming for resignations of every single Sinn Fein TD ever.

I would be saying this needs to be investigated properly and if found guilty then those involved should resign. As would many others here.
I believe we get called Shinnerbots.

Which is sad. Sad that whatabout and silly name calling passes as debate in the minds of some while the bigger picture of all politicians and other paid out of the public purse being held accountable escapes them.

They are not a decent investment - a decent investment would be decent advisors which this govt patiently doesn't have as evidenced by the endless cock-ups. They are spin doctors and crap at their jobs.

Bannasidhe

IAMAMORON wrote: »

The hot brigade raises it's complicated head again.

What is a Bullingdon toff?

Honest question btw?

Top Tories dear boy. Top Tories.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullingdon_Club

IAMAMORON

RandomViewer wrote: »

David Cameron and the pig

More Hot Air.

So we have gotten from old Etonian initiation ceremonies being emotively paralleled to what exactly?

To clarify, what exactly has a former British prime minister putting his dick in a dead pig's head got to do with anything in Irish politics , whatsoever?

IAMAMORON

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Top Tories dear boy. Top Tories.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullingdon_Club

So what.

What has David Cameron's college crap got to do with Irish politics? At all?

expectationlost

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

The Irish Constitution establishes and describes the main institutions of the State. The power to run the State is divided into 3 separate branches:

• The legislature (or legislative branch)
• The executive (or executive branch)
• The judiciary (or judicial branch)

You learn this sort of stuff for the Junior Cert.

FG cabinet members agreed to advise the president to appoint Woulfe (the former AG) anyway there a thread for this https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=115240346#post115240346

Bannasidhe

IAMAMORON wrote: »

So what.

What has David Cameron's college crap got to do with Irish politics? At all?

I never mentioned David Cameron or his antics so go ask the person who did.

I see you have failed to understand that the Bullingdon is literally the Tories Old Boys Club. There's a lot more to them then Cameron, and a lot of our FGers would only love if there was an Irish equivalent.

FrancieBrady

IAMAMORON wrote: »

So what.

What has David Cameron's college crap got to do with Irish politics? At all?

You have heard of the concept of a 'comparison'?

When you say something is 'similar' or 'like' something else?

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They will in their backside write you what you want to hear. A barrister is only as good as his last case, if he is telling people porkies to please them he won't last long.

If you go away and commit a crime, say you murder 5 people, you can hire the most expensive and 'best' barrister in town to defend you and argue your defence as a matter of law...

That is what he is doing here, arguing a case as a matter of law, but it does not mean he is correct.

Only the courts can really decide who is correct at the end of the end and I don't think it will end there, as there appears to be no evidence of criminal activity.

IAMAMORON

Bannasidhe wrote: »

But...but...Whatabout SF... if they if they if they....SSSSSIIIIIIIINNNN FEEEIIIIIIINNNNN...

If they tried pulling something like this you and the other 'Nothing to See Here' gang would be losing your minds and foaming at the mouths screaming for resignations of every single Sinn Fein TD ever.

I would be saying this needs to be investigated properly and if found guilty then those involved should resign. As would many others here.
I believe we get called Shinnerbots.

Which is sad. Sad that whatabout and silly name calling passes as debate in the minds of some while the bigger picture of all politicians and other paid out of the public purse being held accountable escapes them.

They are not a decent investment - a decent investment would be decent advisors which this govt patiently doesn't have as evidenced by the endless cock-ups. They are spin doctors and crap at their jobs.

As you said nothing beats licking your wounds with a bit of good old whataboutery.

Sinn Féin PR strategists have dropped the ball again. If they had half a wit about them they would start concentrating on critiquing the governments' policies and strategies, as opposed to wasting their own time on convoluted cranks looking to get a bit of media exposure. They keep on making their own poor decisions, this is what worries me most. Every whim or straw they clutch at makes them look more gormless.

IAMAMORON

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You have heard of the concept of a 'comparison'?

When you say something is 'similar' or 'like' something else?

So the Brits' living rent free in your head again for a change?

FrancieBrady

IAMAMORON wrote: »

So the Brits' living rent free in your head again for a change?

No, somebody made a comparison, one set of entitled arrogant buffoons with anohter set.

Nationality immaterial.

IAMAMORON

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I never mentioned David Cameron or his antics so go ask the person who did.

I see you have failed to understand that the Bullingdon is literally the Tories Old Boys Club. There's a lot more to them then Cameron, and a lot of our FGers would only love if there was an Irish equivalent.

But there isn't . So all you are doing is inventing vent to throw around.

The social fantasies of Fine Gael ministers being alleged here are pointless and patently off topic.

markodaly

Faugheen wrote: »

So the majority of these ‘meetings’ allegedly took place after the NAGP folded?

Struggling to see the big deal here...

It must be one of the worst case of 'the boys club' in history if the NGAP folded after the fact and most GP'd did finally sign up to the new agreement.....
The fact that the NGAP itself folded is proof that there was no smoking gun here of influence. It was a failed endeavour by MoT.

Also, one of these ‘independently verified’ meetings was at the same time Leo was at a European Council meeting in Brussels.

I found this odd alright.

We have done some analysis of the time frames and are aware that, for example, the alleged lunchtime meeting on 30 June 2019 was on the same day as the then-Taoiseach went to Brussels. We do not consider the meeting was impossible since a flight to Brussels takes 100 minutes and a car to the European Council from the airport only 15 minutes.

A lunch meeting the same day Leo Varadkar was at a EU council meeting at Brussells? Hmmm, that one alone is probably wrong.

We could not find evidence to disprove that any of the meetings took place.

They then go with the fallacy of absence, proving a negative.
For people that don't know what this is, I could go to the Village Magazine and state, that I met Leo for pints some random day to discuss something illegal.

Now I would have no evidence for that, but if Leo was in Dublin that day, it could be impossible and for him to prove it didn't happen, he would have to account for every minute of the day... to prove me wrong...
He had meetings all day? Well, he could have snuck out the back for 5 minutes to have that chat...

There is a very good reason why this type of evidence or thinking does not go to court.

This is a dud. They had a legit story here but now these screengrabs not only prove nothing, but cast doubt around the story as a whole.

Yeap, no one biting on this apart from the usual Twitter crowd.

James Brown

markodaly wrote: »

It must be one of the worst case of 'the boys club' in history if the NGAP folded after the fact and most GP'd did finally sign up to the new agreement.....
The fact that the NGAP itself folded is proof that there was no smoking gun here of influence. It was a failed endeavour by MoT...

Apart from Leo Varadkar being asked by a pal for a confidential document and LV sourcing it and passing it to said pal.
How things panned out doesn't take away from the fact that LV leaked a confidential document to a pal, behind the backs of Harris et al.

Yeap, no one biting on this apart from the usual Twitter crowd.

Yeah, pesky members of the public.

expectationlost

if the GP was exaggerating his influence to Chay Bowes why? he wasn't his boss? yet... looking for a job? this Community Health Ireland thing

markodaly

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

This is from the ‘shocking reveal’ by Village Magazine today. A week and a half of absolute bunkum and tabloid fodder from a glorified blog.



The whole thing is being discussed on the Last Word and Matt is rightly asking if SF have made a major error of judgement in going for a vote of no confidence on such a spurious matter. Used up a lot of political capital for very little gain it appears. County hurling now, lads.

This is the most pertinent point in the whole article.

So in summary the Tánaiste has solemnly told the Dáil he met Ó Tuathail “two or three times a year”. And this was particularly relevant for it characterised their relationship: Ó Tuathail was “the kind of friend I would meet two or three times a year”[/QUOTE]

They contradict each other in the same paragraph.

Leo didn't say he met him 2-3 times a year, he said the nature of their friendships was that they were friends but not close friends, but friends never the less, "the kind of friend you would meet 2-3 times a year"....

I feel sorry for the people who take that line literally.

The Village has built their entire article around this basic misunderstanding.
Amateur hour from them.