Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

Bubbaclaus

jelem wrote: »

data protection.ie = "The DPC is the Irish supervisory authority" also recall
varadka on the "card issue" stated would change law to allow breaking GDPR
for the service card.
No teeth set on purpose just like ccpc and comreg etc. you another blind person
who has been led a merry dance of fake protection and fail to Read the print.

Your posts aren't making any sense.

awec

I don't know why people continually feign surprise when other parties go on the offensive against Sinn Fein. They are an easy target. Arguably they are the easiest target. They'll get hit now on the multi million donation, again another easy issue to bring up, easy points to be scored, easy to highlight inconsistent behaviours.

As I said before, this message was fairly wishy washy, but the messenger was completely wrong and helped soften any blow for Varadkar.

FrancieBrady

awec wrote: »

I don't know why people continually feign surprise when other parties go on the offensive against Sinn Fein. They are an easy target. Arguably they are the easiest target. They'll get hit now on the multi million donation, again another easy issue to bring up, easy points to be scored, easy to highlight inconsistent behaviours.

As I said before, this message was fairly wishy washy, but the messenger was completely wrong and helped soften any blow for Varadkar.

So are you too now claiming that Leo confessed to doing something he didn't do?

awec

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So are you too now claiming that Leo confessed to doing something he didn't do?

No Francie, I am not.

Varadkar was wrong to do what he did, but it probably wasn't enough to get the outcome that many hoped they'd get. But whether he was right or wrong has been totally lost in the political grandstanding.

Primarily, two things helped Varadkar here:

1. Village Magazine kept beating a dead horse, over-egging what they had and releasing total nonsense that weakened the credibility of the initial story. And why the whistleblower reached out to Paddy Cosgrave, and then Village Magazine, is still a bit weird for me.

2. The political attacks that followed were spearheaded by SF of all parties.

I think the whole thing was a charade. I think Varadkar made a very bad judgement call. I think SF showed political naivety in how they approached this, as they clearly thought they could bring down Varadkar but were left looking like opportunists as the story weakened with each passing release. And I think Village Magazine showed some journalistic naivety in overplaying their hand with some really silly reporting. The last "scoop" was particularly rubbish, and their latest "article" that is essentially them moaning that major news outlets didn't jump in behind them is not helping them either.

I will reserve comment on what I think of Paddy Cosgrave as I want to keep my access to this forum.

It started out with a third-hand account of events, and it went downhill from there. The end result, IMO, is unsurprising.

And IMO those thinking this has seriously damaged Varadkar in the polls are showing some wishful thinking. I am sure it has hurt Varadkar personally, I am sure he'll be a lot more careful in future, but I am not sure that what we've seen the past few weeks is going to last long in the memory, at least not for the reasons that some think.

tobsey

McMurphy wrote: »

It doesn't matter if it was a govt tender, a private tender or a chicken tender - the point was made about a competitor in a tendering process obtaining leaked information.

What part of that do you want to dispute, or why are you even posting about it?

The commercial information of this deal was in the national newspapers a week before Leo leaked the document. That’s why this isn’t really a big deal. If there was commercially sensitive information then that would be a very different story.

jelem

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Your posts aren't making any sense.

unfortunate you cannot see - passing data and no sanctions to stop it.

FrancieBrady

awec wrote: »

No Francie, I am not.

Varadkar was wrong to do what he did, but it probably wasn't enough to get the outcome that many hoped they'd get. But whether he was right or wrong has been totally lost in the political grandstanding.

Primarily, two things helped Varadkar here:

1. Village Magazine kept beating a dead horse, over-egging what they had and releasing total nonsense that weakened the credibility of the initial story.

2. The political attacks that followed were spearheaded by SF.

I think the whole thing was a charade. I think Varadkar made a very bad judgement call. I think SF showed political naivety in how they approached this, as they clearly thought they could bring down Varadkar but were left looking like opportunists as the story weakened with each passing release. And I think Village Magazine showed some journalistic naivety in overplaying their hand with some really silly reporting. The last "scoop" was particularly rubbish, and their latest "article" that is essentially them moaning that major news outlets didn't jump in behind them is not helping them either.

I will reserve comment on what I think of Paddy Cosgrave as I want to keep my access to this forum.

The subsequent tweets from the Village didn't factor in to the VoNC debate at all except when referenced by Varadkar.

Funny I heard FF, Labour, Soc Dems and Inds speaking vehemently against what Varadkar did, the substantive issue, all week. I would dispute the spearheading tag tbh.

Village criticised the media in general for not referencing the whatsapps and they were right, the mainstream media largely ignored them in the debate.

I think your read is all wrong. Bottom line is, the coalition circled the wagons and vindicated Varadkar. Will there be a price to pay for that is far far too early to decide.

JohnnyFlash

awec wrote: »

No Francie, I am not.

Varadkar was wrong to do what he did, but it probably wasn't enough to get the outcome that many hoped they'd get. But whether he was right or wrong has been totally lost in the political grandstanding.

Primarily, two things helped Varadkar here:

1. Village Magazine kept beating a dead horse, over-egging what they had and releasing total nonsense that weakened the credibility of the initial story. And why the whistleblower reached out to Paddy Cosgrave, and then Village Magazine, is still a bit weird for me.

2. The political attacks that followed were spearheaded by SF of all parties.

I think the whole thing was a charade. I think Varadkar made a very bad judgement call. I think SF showed political naivety in how they approached this, as they clearly thought they could bring down Varadkar but were left looking like opportunists as the story weakened with each passing release. And I think Village Magazine showed some journalistic naivety in overplaying their hand with some really silly reporting. The last "scoop" was particularly rubbish, and their latest "article" that is essentially them moaning that major news outlets didn't jump in behind them is not helping them either.

I will reserve comment on what I think of Paddy Cosgrave as I want to keep my access to this forum.

It started out with a third-hand account of events, and it went downhill from there. The end result, IMO, is unsurprising.

And IMO those thinking this has seriously damaged Varadkar in the polls are showing some wishful thinking. I am sure it has hurt Varadkar personally, I am sure he'll be a lot more careful in future, but I am not sure that what we've seen the past few weeks is going to last long in the memory, at least not for the reasons that some think.

This is an excellent post. That's all I have to say.

awec

On a side note, I would really love for someone to figure out what Varadkar did to Cosgrave. I am guessing it is something to do with his poxy conference.

It was the same with his covid tweets.

For Forks Sake

awec wrote: »

On a side note, I would really love for someone to figure out what Varadkar did to Cosgrave. I am guessing it is something to do with his poxy conference.

It was the same with his covid tweets.

I think it's FG in general he has a gripe with, dating back to when Kenny told him to take a hike with his ludicrous list of demands around WebSummit when it was still being held in Dublin

shafty100

awec wrote: »

No Francie, I am not.

Varadkar was wrong to do what he did, but it probably wasn't enough to get the outcome that many hoped they'd get. But whether he was right or wrong has been totally lost in the political grandstanding.

Primarily, two things helped Varadkar here:

1. Village Magazine kept beating a dead horse, over-egging what they had and releasing total nonsense that weakened the credibility of the initial story. And why the whistleblower reached out to Paddy Cosgrave, and then Village Magazine, is still a bit weird for me.

2. The political attacks that followed were spearheaded by SF of all parties.

I think the whole thing was a charade. I think Varadkar made a very bad judgement call. I think SF showed political naivety in how they approached this, as they clearly thought they could bring down Varadkar but were left looking like opportunists as the story weakened with each passing release. And I think Village Magazine showed some journalistic naivety in overplaying their hand with some really silly reporting. The last "scoop" was particularly rubbish, and their latest "article" that is essentially them moaning that major news outlets didn't jump in behind them is not helping them either.

I will reserve comment on what I think of Paddy Cosgrave as I want to keep my access to this forum.

It started out with a third-hand account of events, and it went downhill from there. The end result, IMO, is unsurprising.

And IMO those thinking this has seriously damaged Varadkar in the polls are showing some wishful thinking. I am sure it has hurt Varadkar personally, I am sure he'll be a lot more careful in future, but I am not sure that what we've seen the past few weeks is going to last long in the memory, at least not for the reasons that some think.

harris said no and leo said go end of good night

Jinglejangle69

awec wrote: »

On a side note, I would really love for someone to figure out what Varadkar did to Cosgrave. I am guessing it is something to do with his poxy conference.

It was the same with his covid tweets.

Paddy is now a hero amongst SF.

Let's see how long that lasts, like Erica Fleming and Maggie Cash.

Not too long going by past events.

Naive fella.

Just checked his twitter there and he's promoting his Web computer or whatever he does career by still trying to attack Leo and the government.

Actually embarrassed for the lads who hung their hat on this chap.

Jinglejangle69

For Forks Sake wrote: »

I think it's FG in general he has a gripe with, dating back to when Kenny told him to take a hike with his ludicrous list of demands around WebSummit when it was still being held in Dublin

Entitled little ****

mattser

awec wrote: »

No Francie, I am not.

Varadkar was wrong to do what he did, but it probably wasn't enough to get the outcome that many hoped they'd get. But whether he was right or wrong has been totally lost in the political grandstanding.

Primarily, two things helped Varadkar here:

1. Village Magazine kept beating a dead horse, over-egging what they had and releasing total nonsense that weakened the credibility of the initial story. And why the whistleblower reached out to Paddy Cosgrave, and then Village Magazine, is still a bit weird for me.

2. The political attacks that followed were spearheaded by SF of all parties.

I think the whole thing was a charade. I think Varadkar made a very bad judgement call. I think SF showed political naivety in how they approached this, as they clearly thought they could bring down Varadkar but were left looking like opportunists as the story weakened with each passing release. And I think Village Magazine showed some journalistic naivety in overplaying their hand with some really silly reporting. The last "scoop" was particularly rubbish, and their latest "article" that is essentially them moaning that major news outlets didn't jump in behind them is not helping them either.

I will reserve comment on what I think of Paddy Cosgrave as I want to keep my access to this forum.

It started out with a third-hand account of events, and it went downhill from there. The end result, IMO, is unsurprising.

And IMO those thinking this has seriously damaged Varadkar in the polls are showing some wishful thinking. I am sure it has hurt Varadkar personally, I am sure he'll be a lot more careful in future, but I am not sure that what we've seen the past few weeks is going to last long in the memory, at least not for the reasons that some think.

Nailed it in one post, awec. Others in this thread have hammered out their usual 24/7 tripe. Just goes to show what they're made of. Well done you.

FrancieBrady

mattser wrote: »

Nailed it in one post, awec. Others in this thread have hammered out their usual 24/7 tripe. Just goes to show what they're made of. Well done you.

His assessment is way way off the mark.

Labour immediatley joined SF in the VoNC.

In the debate they rounded more on SF who they were apparently spearheading in the 'political attacks' on FG.
FF tore themselves apart at parliamentary meeting with several ministers taking to the airwaves criticising Varadkar.

Awec's assessment does not compute in any way shape or form, regardless how comforting it all might sound.

awec

FrancieBrady wrote: »

His assessment is way way off the mark.

Labour immediatley joined SF in the VoNC.

In the debate they rounded more on SF who they were apparently spearheading in the 'political attacks' on FG.
FF tore themselves apart at parliamentary meeting with several ministers taking to the airwaves criticising Varadkar.

Awec's assessment does not compute in any way shape or form, regardless how comforting it all might sound.

Aodhán Ó Ríordáin gave the Shinners a batter in his speech. A party that was supporting the VoNC gave those that brought the motion forward some pretty sharp criticism.

If you do not think this was great for Varadkar, and by extension FG, and by extension FF then you are deluded.

The Labour party couldn't even vote for the SF vote of no confidence without pointing out the hypocrisy of SF.

FrancieBrady

awec wrote: »

Aodhán Ó Ríordáin gave the Shinners a batter in his speech. A party that was supporting the VoNC gave those that brought the motion forward some pretty sharp criticism.

If you do not think this was great for Varadkar, and by extension FG, and by extension FF then you are deluded.

The Labour party couldn't even vote for the SF vote of no confidence without pointing out the hypocrisy of SF.

My opinion has been expressed that the electorate have said they are tired of that line of attack.

It does however demolish your argument about 'spearheading' an attack. I think the focus was kept on the substantive issue. Varadkar's wrongdoing and confession.

Anybody witnessing it, regardless of party, got the message - cronyism and the old boys network rearing it's head again. The Woulfe shenanigan's and Golfgate waiting in the wings copperfastened it.
Look at the reaction to FG attacking the Shinners again on social media. The electorate are sick of it as they were during the election campaign.

Deflection and ultimately no accountability.

James Brown

awec wrote: »

I don't know why people continually feign surprise when other parties go on the offensive against Sinn Fein. They are an easy target. Arguably they are the easiest target. They'll get hit now on the multi million donation, again another easy issue to bring up, easy points to be scored, easy to highlight inconsistent behaviours.

As I said before, this message was fairly wishy washy, but the messenger was completely wrong and helped soften any blow for Varadkar.

More jaded than surprised. Varadkar and his excusers are called on it and FG go on the shinner defense 'cause shinners'. Nobody was impressed outside of the FG'ers pretending to be.
Varadkar leaked a confidential negotiation document to a rival organisation headed by his pal and nobody in FF/FG/Greens said ****.
Terrible example harking back to the FF banana Republic era.

An Claidheamh

FrancieBrady wrote: »

His assessment is way way off the mark.

Labour immediatley joined SF in the VoNC.

In the debate they rounded more on SF who they were apparently spearheading in the 'political attacks' on FG.
FF tore themselves apart at parliamentary meeting with several ministers taking to the airwaves criticising Varadkar.

Awec's assessment does not compute in any way shape or form, regardless how comforting it all might sound.

Let's call a spade a spade

Labour are a non-entity, they're another green party, FGers who are genuinely afraid of the change they claim to espouse

Labour are led by two egomaniacs (Kelly and O Riordain) and full of unelectables (Bacik)

O Riordain is a poser and jealous of SF's rise, he had his chance and his "ethical socialism" was nowhere to be seen, rest of his party should go back to student politics - no one wants them, their trade union beards or their south Dublin hashtag activists

Soc Dems will bury Labour

markodaly

Bannasidhe wrote: »

The Irish Left managed to unite. Inconceivable!
For the first time in the history of the State we have a genuine govt/opposition situation rather than the rota system we previously 'enjoyed'.

Not so sure about that. Labour was taking digs at SF, for portraying themselves as the ethical left while the old IRA boys in Belfast were running the show, and don't mention that €4 million donation!!

If anyone thinks that the Irish left can get together and form a coherent workable alternative government, which is a million miles away from voting against the current government, I have magic beans to sell.

An Claidheamh

markodaly wrote: »

Not so sure about that. Labour was taking digs at SF, for portraying themselves as the ethical left while the old IRA boys in Belfast were running the show, and don't mention that €4 million donation!!

If anyone thinks that the Irish left can get together and form a coherent workable alternative government, which is a million miles away from voting against the current government, I have magic beans to sell.

Labour only team up with Fine Gael, they are a niche middle class party

They are no loss

SF, Indos, PBP, Soc Dems did show a front of sorts, Shortall has form in anti-corruption

markodaly

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Lot of anger here. Might have to go on the Twitter machine and see what all-day merchants like Mick Caul and Roman Shortall are saying about this. I’d say the veins are popping out in the neck.

Imagine using up a vote of no confidence on this issue? As I said earlier, whatever one of the strategists (Maybe one of SF’s 200 employees) came up with the idea would want to be disappeared.

What are the rules with MoNC again? There cant be another for 6 months is it?

markodaly

awec wrote: »

No Francie, I am not.

Varadkar was wrong to do what he did, but it probably wasn't enough to get the outcome that many hoped they'd get. But whether he was right or wrong has been totally lost in the political grandstanding.

Primarily, two things helped Varadkar here:

1. Village Magazine kept beating a dead horse, over-egging what they had and releasing total nonsense that weakened the credibility of the initial story. And why the whistleblower reached out to Paddy Cosgrave, and then Village Magazine, is still a bit weird for me.

2. The political attacks that followed were spearheaded by SF of all parties.

I think the whole thing was a charade. I think Varadkar made a very bad judgement call. I think SF showed political naivety in how they approached this, as they clearly thought they could bring down Varadkar but were left looking like opportunists as the story weakened with each passing release. And I think Village Magazine showed some journalistic naivety in overplaying their hand with some really silly reporting. The last "scoop" was particularly rubbish, and their latest "article" that is essentially them moaning that major news outlets didn't jump in behind them is not helping them either.

I will reserve comment on what I think of Paddy Cosgrave as I want to keep my access to this forum.

It started out with a third-hand account of events, and it went downhill from there. The end result, IMO, is unsurprising.

And IMO those thinking this has seriously damaged Varadkar in the polls are showing some wishful thinking. I am sure it has hurt Varadkar personally, I am sure he'll be a lot more careful in future, but I am not sure that what we've seen the past few weeks is going to last long in the memory, at least not for the reasons that some think.

I have to agree with you there.
There is far too much hyperbole and hysterics about this story.

Just read back on some of the predicitons by our most vocal anti-government critics.

Leo was going to have to resign last week, he didn't.
He was going to end up in Jail, he won't.
MoNC rarely fails, they rarely succeed.
The government is going to fall, it didn't.
FG are finished, they aren't.

Now the talk is about FG 'collapsing' on Twitter or something, whatever that means.
There are far too many people who are so sure of themselves and their predictions that they never revisit their thought process when they get it wrong and by god did so many people get it wrong.

Yet, here we are, arguing after the fact when the government won and things have move on and on.

It is like arguing over won the most corners in a match after you have lost the game, and the winning team are in the pub downing pints.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

His assessment is way way off the mark.

Labour immediatley joined SF in the VoNC.

In the debate they rounded more on SF who they were apparently spearheading in the 'political attacks' on FG.
FF tore themselves apart at parliamentary meeting with several ministers taking to the airwaves criticising Varadkar.

Awec's assessment does not compute in any way shape or form, regardless how comforting it all might sound.

Yet, AK questioned why SF wasted time on the no confidence vote! http://tippfm.com/news/politics/kelly-says-time-spent-varadkar-confidence-motion-better-spent/

Bubbaclaus

I've never seen such a mountain made of a mole hill in Irish politics in all my life. Some of the early comments in this thread are still hilarious to read.

costacorta

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Labour only team up with Fine Gael, they are a niche middle class party

They are no loss

SF, Indos, PBP, Soc Dems did show a front of sorts, Shortall has form in anti-corruption

SF an anti corruption party ?? They wouldn’t know truth if it hit them in the face ..

Mod: Take a day off the forum for breaching your threadban

atticu

McMurphy wrote: »

Do you honestly believe Chay Bowes would release "faked/photoshopped" screenshots into the public domain, and in which he was very publicly making very serious allegations against the now Tanaiste, then Taoiseach, including exchanges between Leo himself and MOT, and between Bowes and MOT, and not once did anyone, either DrZeroCraic, Varadkar or Anyone else yet cry foul and claim the texts were faked, and issue legal proceedings?

Would you let someone fake texts about you in which they made serious allegations, release them in public and have to face a no confidence motion on the back of them?

I wouldn't.

And I think anyone who propagates or ascribes to such nonsense would do well to make a hat out of bacofoil and head over to the CT forum, because quite franky it's lunacy territory.

Remind me, who had to face a no confidence motion because of these ‘messages’.

weldoninhio

Bishop of hope wrote: »

You might want to rephrase that.

https://www.politico.eu/article/irelands-deputy-leader-rejects-claim-he-leaked-confidential-documents/

Brain fart?

When questioned in the Dail if the document was public or confidential, Leo replied "Confidential". Are you calling Leo a liar?? :rolleyes:

Necro

smurgen wrote: »

The finnerbots our in force again with the revisionism of what happened. That’s when you know it was car crash. Now that Leo was saved we can expect the housing crises, Brexit, Covid all to be sorted as this was delaying them from doing all that and more. Yes once they stop moaning about SF on Twitter they might get round to it.

Mod:

Do not post in this thread again

FrancieBrady

atticu wrote: »

Remind me, who had to face a no confidence motion because of these ‘messages’.

Leo actually faced a 'Confidence' motion in the end. The question was posed by the government. They used their prerogative to get themselves more speaking time. Time, they used to attack another party and fudge the actual issue and what actually happened.
As a result the 25,000 spend on the conference centre was incurred by them as SF's motion could have been discussed in ordinary Dáil time. Something they don't like being pointed out.