Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

They’re still flogging the dead horse. Almost as embarrassing as Trumps tweets!

SIPO anf Garda investigation still to come Maryanne.
FG couldn't get out in front of a stopped bus at the minute.

Bubbaclaus

McMurphy wrote: »

Dinner was grand Paddy, meatballs in a Moroccan style sauce with couscous and Pitta, with some ice cold Cooper's sparkling ale. Yourself?



What's this then........... A ham sandwich?

Thank you and goodnight.




https://twitter.com/Bryan_Wall/status/1322504394429075458?s=19

You said he declined to comment though? What you have provided here doesn't conflict with what I posted regarding his statement in the Dail.

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

SIPO anf Garda investigation still to come Maryanne.
FG couldn't get out in front of a stopped bus at the minute.

uhmmm

PSNI investigation getting up a head of steam on the white shirt dudes.

Looks like the Teflon team who’s positive achievements amount to zero will have to come in and talk to the rozzers.

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

uhmmm

PSNI investigation getting up a head of steam on the white shirt dudes.

Looks like the Teflon team who’s positive achievements amount to zero will have to come in and talk to the rozzers.

And?

Fann Linn

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They’re still flogging the dead horse. Almost as embarrassing as Trumps tweets!

From a party that's still highlighting a funeral that occured almost 6 months ago. Yep, embarrassing.

McMurphy

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

You said he declined to comment though? What you have provided here doesn't conflict with what I posted regarding his statement in the Dail.

No I didn't say that, I said I was almost certain the village magazine either had an article or a tweet up stating they gave Leo a right of reply and he declined, (I'm not Leo or part of the village magazine staff, so only mentioned what was in their article) whilst as below it was "failed to reply to a request" while I don't have a photographic memory, there's not much difference in the two.

I don't buy Leo's cock and bull story about the night before, not for a minute, he knew it was coming imo. That "email not passed by staff" nonsense didn't do Fitzgerald any favours, and it doesn't do Leo any either.

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

That quote is from Village Magazine saying "presumably after days of legal advice". So they are presuming, not quoting Varadkar there.

My memory of the dail questions session was that he only became aware of the story the night before it issued. An email had been received to his office but apparently it wasnt overly coherent and was not passed from staff to him.

McMurphy wrote: »

I'm almost 110% certain the village magazine either had in one of their articles or tweeted that they gave Leo an opportunity/right of reply and he declined.

When I've time in the evening I'll dig it out, I'm also nearly certain the screenshot of same in this very thread. Again, when I've the dinner over me and sports are over on the TV if no-one has done so before me I'll dig it out.

https://twitter.com/Bryan_Wall/status/1322504394429075458?s=19

RandomViewer

Shane Ross claiming Woulfe gifted Judgeship in March
http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/IRISH-MAIL-ON-SUNDAY-PAGE-ONE-22.11.20.jpg

Fann Linn

Fann Linn wrote: »

From a party that's still highlighting a funeral that occured almost 6 months ago. Yep, embarrassing.

What has the Village got to do with that funeral? BTW, Village aren’t a party.

Bubbaclaus

McMurphy wrote: »

No I didn't say that, I said I was almost certain the village magazine either had an article or a tweet up stating they gave Leo a right of reply and he declined, (I'm not Leo or part of the village magazine staff, so only mentioned what was in their article) whilst as below it was "failed to reply to a request" while I don't have a photographic memory, there's not much difference in the two.

I don't buy Leo's cock and bull story about the night before, not for a minute, he knew it was coming imo. That "email not passed by staff" nonsense didn't do Fitzgerald any favours, and it doesn't do Leo any either.










https://twitter.com/Bryan_Wall/status/1322504394429075458?s=19

Ok. All you had to say from the start was that it was all just your own opinion of what you think may have happened, without evidence, rather than based on anything factual. You had made it sound like there was actual evidence there and that what I was saying was wrong.

Bubbaclaus

Fann Linn wrote: »

From a party that's still highlighting a funeral that occured almost 6 months ago. Yep, embarrassing.

To be fair, and I am not one for party bashing, but Sinn Fein Fein aren't doing themselves any favours by dragging out the resolution of it themselves.

https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sf-accused-of-hypocrisy-over-members-not-yet-speaking-to-psni-about-storey-funeral-39771041.html

McMurphy

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Ok. All you had to say from the start was that it was all just your own opinion of what you think may have happened, without evidence, rather than based on anything factual. You had made it sound like there was actual evidence there and that what I was saying was wrong.

Lol, your misreading of posts isn't my problem Bubba - that's on you. I stated clearly that I was fairly certain there was a tweet about the village magazine stating they gave Leo an opportunity to reply, and I was 100% spot on.

Bubbaclaus

McMurphy wrote: »

Lol, your misreading of posts isn't my problem Bubba - that's on you. I stated clearly that I was fairly certain there was a tweet about the village magazine stating they gave Leo an opportunity to reply, and I was 100% spot on.

That was never refuted though? Not sure why you are giving yourself a pat on the back for that one. Varadkar confirmed that in the Dail, as per my post that you replied to.

Im not sure what point you are trying to make to be honest. Your final position seems to be that you are agreeing with my post, even though you posted to disagree with me.

McMurphy

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

That was never refuted though? Not sure why you are giving yourself a pat on the back for that one. Varadkar confirmed that in the Dail, as per my post that you replied to.

Im not sure what point you are trying to make to be honest. Your final position seems to be that you are agreeing with my post, even though you posted to disagree with me.

Lets recap how we got here so.

Poster made a claim the village messed up because...

expectationlost wrote: »

thevillage magazine messed this up, you put elements of your story to the subject to give them a chance to respond, he night not have answered but you can say you asked, if he did respond to each question about his whereabouts you can then triple check it yourself.

I responded that they did contact him for a comment...

McMurphy wrote: »

Pretty sure in the initial article the village put out they said they contacted Leo but he refused to answer their questions or made no comment etc.

Think it's even in this thread and someone commented that he knew it was coming hence why he had been so quiet in the weeks beforehand.

Was that refuted?

expectationlost wrote: »

scanning through the article I don't see where they say that

https://villagemagazine.ie/varadkar-leaks-confidential-document/



I was more referring to the second article about the meeting



https://villagemagazine.ie/at-least-10-times-not-2-or-3/


again I don't see where they said they put each meeting to Varadkar

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Hope dinner was nice Johnny. No sign of that was there?

We will never know for sure whether Leo is spoofing about not getting the emails from village (personally I doubt it) however - he was given the chance to comment.

Thats what was being refuted bubba.

expectationlost

RandomViewer wrote: »

Shane Ross claiming Woulfe gifted Judgeship in March
http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/IRISH-MAIL-ON-SUNDAY-PAGE-ONE-22.11.20.jpg

other thread https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=115382392&posted=1#post115382392

Bubbaclaus

You replied to my post McMurphy, not that one, and then quietly dropped the key part of your opinion when you realised there was nothing to back it up. See below in bold.

110% certain and 100% spot on indeed.

McMurphy wrote: »

I'm almost 110% certain the village magazine either had in one of their articles or tweeted that they gave Leo an opportunity/right of reply and he declined.

McMurphy wrote: »

Lol, your misreading of posts isn't my problem Bubba - that's on you. I stated clearly that I was fairly certain there was a tweet about the village magazine stating they gave Leo an opportunity to reply, and I was 100% spot on.

expectationlost

McMurphy wrote: »

Dinner was grand Paddy, meatballs in a Moroccan style sauce with couscous and Pitta, with some ice cold Cooper's sparkling ale. Yourself?



What's this then........... A ham sandwich?

Thank you and goodnight.




https://twitter.com/Bryan_Wall/status/1322504394429075458?s=19

ok, it was in the print version.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115370122&postcount=5305


this is what Leo said in the DAil

Leo Varadkar (Dublin West, Fine Gael)
Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas sourceIt did not contact me personally. It sent an email to my office in the week previously, asking if I had given a document to a different doctor.

https://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2020-11-03a.342&s=doctor+speaker%3A267#g608

a different doctor?

expectationlost

Ger Feeney can’t avoid Sipo’s decision on Leo Varadkar leak says the ST https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/ger-feeney-cant-avoid-sipos-decision-on-leo-varadkar-leak-v9dsfk3gw

not sure where in the law it says that http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2001/act/31/enacted/en/print.html

they also point to something that Pearse Doherty brought up in the Dail, https://twitter.com/PearseDoherty/status/1329181937504833546

he asked McGrath who was in charge appointing her

Did the Minister get an opportunity to talk to Ms Feeney abt whether she had a role in the lobbying activity that took place in the audiovisual room on 21 March? If she did, was she required to submit a return to the Standards in Public Office Commission?

https://t.co/qlgZP8GXje

https://twitter.com/DrKeithSwanick/status/976479681133375488

Geraldine Feeney was appointed to the Medical Council by Brian Cowen in 1999 https://www.irishtimes.com/news/new-medical-council-members-1.199568

Senator Feeney, who is also a life-long friend of Mr. Cowen’s wife Mary

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/sligochampion/news/everybody-loves-brian-says-close-friend-geraldine-27559091.html 3 years later she became a senator... http://opac.oireachtas.ie/Data/Library3/Library2/DL069624.pdf

this is the kind of politician Geraldine Feeney is when elected to the Seanad's Labour panel she says "Sligo Town was crying out for national representation and now we have it in abundance,"
"In the Seanad, our job will be to support the Dail Deputies and reinforce what they were trying to do. That's how I would see my role,"https://www.independent.ie/regionals/sligochampion/news/sligo-sweeps-to-huge-success-in-senate-race-with-three-newcomers-27544976.html

2004 Feeney to serve on Curtin committee
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/sligochampion/news/feeney-to-serve-on-curtin-committee-27535876.html

McMurphy

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

You replied to my post McMurphy, not that one, and then quietly dropped the key part of your opinion when you realised there was nothing to back it up. See below in bold.

110% certain and 100% spot on indeed.

Bubba - here you go... This is the post of yours I responded to.

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

That quote is from Village Magazine saying "presumably after days of legal advice". So they are presuming, not quoting Varadkar there.

My memory of the dail questions session was that he only became aware of the story the night before it issued. An email had been received to his office but apparently it wasnt overly coherent and was not passed from staff to him.

McMurphy wrote:

I'm almost 110% certain the village magazine either had in one of their articles or tweeted that they gave Leo an opportunity/right of reply and he declined.

When I've time in the evening I'll dig it out, I'm also nearly certain the screenshot of same in this very thread. Again, when I've the dinner over me and sports are over on the TV if no-one has done so before me I'll dig it out.

Bubbaclaus

McMurphy wrote: »

Bubba - here you go... This is the post of yours I responded to.

Yes, exactly. So it's not clear that you actually have a point. Originally it was that he declined to respond. Now its something else.

McMurphy

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Yes, exactly. So it's not clear that you actually have a point. Originally it was that he declined to respond. Now its something else.

I don't know if you're being deliberately obtuse or not bubba, but the "original point" was that village said they gave Leo an opportunity to reply, and he didn't.

You can take the "his staff didn't pass the email to him" excuse of course if you want, but I don't buy that a very serious allegation of corruption was made against the then Taoiseach of the country and no-one passed it on to Leo.

Dog ate my homework stuff.

Bubbaclaus

McMurphy wrote: »

I don't know if you're being deliberately obtuse or not bubba, but the "original point" was that village said they gave Leo an opportunity to reply, and he didn't.

You can take the "his staff didn't pass the email to him" excuse of course if you want, but I don't buy that a very serious allegation of corruption was made against the then Taoiseach of the country and no-one passed it on to Leo.

Dog ate my homework stuff.

So you have completely changed off your original point then?

That's fair enough. You just had to say so. You're free to make up your own opinions and have imagination as to how you think things may have played out, but cannot make up your own facts, as the original intent was.

Have a good evening.

McMurphy

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

So you have completely changed off your original point then?

That's fair enough. You just had to say so. You're free to make up your own opinions and have imagination as to how you think things may have played out, but cannot make up your own facts, as the original intent was.

Have a good evening.

You're hard work I'll give you that.....


Here is my original point, the post I replied with to expectationlost.....

McMurphy wrote: »

Pretty sure in the initial article the village put out they said they contacted Leo but he refused to answer their questions or made no comment etc.

Think it's even in this thread and someone commented that he knew it was coming hence why he had been so quiet in the weeks beforehand.

You're Floundering big time here bubs.


https://twitter.com/Bryan_Wall/status/1322504394429075458?s=19

McMurphy wrote: »

Pretty sure in the initial article the village put out they said they contacted Leo but he refused to answer their questions or made no comment etc.

village wrote:

The Tánaiste failed to reply to a request or comments on this forwarding.

Bubbaclaus

McMurphy wrote: »

You're hard work I'll give you that.....


Here is my original point, the post I replied with to expectationlost.....



You're Floundering big time here bubs.


https://twitter.com/Bryan_Wall/status/1322504394429075458?s=19

Yes, you said a number of times that Varadkar declined to comment and that you were 110% certain of this being the case, which turned out to be incorrect, yet you continue to say you are 100% spot on.

Now you have switched to some weird thing where you are giving your opinion as to how it potentially played out (without evidence), and claiming this was always your original point.

Very strange. Not sure why you feel the need to fib really. But apparently I'm the one that's floundering.

McMurphy

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Yes, you said a number of times that Varadkar declined to comment and that you were 110% certain of this being the case, which turned out to be incorrect, yet you continue to say you are 100% spot on.

Now you have switched to some weird thing where you are giving your opinion as to how it potentially played out (without evidence), and claiming this was always your original point.

Very strange. Not sure why you feel the need to fib really. But apparently I'm the one that's floundering.

I think bubba you're deliberately misrepresenting what I said.

For clarity here goes again ..

I'm almost 110% certain the village magazine either had in one of their articles or tweeted that they gave Leo an opportunity/right of reply and he declined.

When I've time in the evening I'll dig it out, I'm also nearly certain the screenshot of same in this very thread. Again, when I've the dinner over me and sports are over on the TV if no-one has done so before me I'll dig it out.

"Almost 110% certain the magazine had an article" (they did as proven)

You can get pedantic if you like about refused to comment/he failed to comment if you like mind you.

But if you believe his staff didn't pass on the details of an email where it is alleged he was acting in a corrupt/unlawful manner - god bless.

Bubbaclaus

McMurphy wrote: »

I think bubba you're deliberately misrepresenting what I said.

For clarity here goes again ..



"Almost 110% certain the magazine had an article" (they did as proven)

You can get pedantic if you like about refused to comment/he failed to comment if you like mind you.

But if you believe his staff didn't pass on the details of an email where it is alleged he was acting in a corrupt/unlawful manner - god bless.

Sorry, but there is a major difference between saying he was asked for comment vs saying he declined to comment. I think that and the reason why is pretty clear to most people. To claim that is being pedantic is just you trying to brush off the inaccuracies in your post, and try and maintain your pat on the back "100% spot on" to yourself.

If Village wished to dispute what Varadkar said in the Dail regarding their correspondence to him, I'm sure we would have seen a screenshot of the email by now. Nobody has disputed his account that the email was incoherent and wasn't passed to him because his staff couldn't understand what to do with it. You're free to imagine, without evidence, what you think might have happened McMurphy, but that doesnt make it fact.

We are going around in circles at this point, so I feel we should leave it there.

markodaly

Bannasidhe wrote: »

There's a distinct whiff of "the media organisation that broke the story about the Taoiseach (at the time) slipping a confidential document to a friend on the sly is not of the standard of The Washington Post ergo the story has no merit"

It doesn't matter if the story was broken by a luddite printing a fanzine as a lithograph - LV did indeed slip a confidential document to a friend.
He admitted it.
Attacking the Village won't change that. It does keep the story alive in people's mind tho so carry on.

Just coming back to this.

If you see my previous posts, you will see that I agree that this was initially a good story. However, they made a balls of it in the delivery of it.
Whose idea was it to break it the weekend before a presidential election?

Then, the drip-feed of "We have an EXCLUSIVE coming tomorrow...." which failed to tell us anything new and was indeed a rehash of the same old story. They did this numerous times....
The final insult was them calling out other media outlets because they didn't toe their line.

At the end, it amounted to nothing but a personal vendetta of a one-man band publication against Leo.

TheVillage Magazine is opinion dressed up as journalism, not the other way around.
The rant and simple factual errors relating to simple bike lanes, proves this.

smurgen

markodaly wrote: »

Just coming back to this.

If you see my previous posts, you will see that I agree that this was initially a good story. However, they made a balls of it in the delivery of it.
Whose idea was it to break it the weekend before a presidential election?

Then, the drip-feed of "We have an EXCLUSIVE coming tomorrow...." which failed to tell us anything new and was indeed a rehash of the same old story. They did this numerous times....
The final insult was them calling out other media outlets because they didn't toe their line.

At the end, it amounted to nothing but a personal vendetta of a one-man band publication against Leo.

TheVillage Magazine is opinion dressed up as journalism, not the other way around.
The rant and simple factual errors relating to simple bike lanes, proves this.

It amounted to Leo Varadkar admitting he leaked commercially sensitive information to a buddy. His name is forever going to be Leo the leak and he will be know for corruption from now on.

Bubbaclaus

smurgen wrote: »

It amounted to Leo Varadkar admitting he leaked commercially sensitive information to a buddy. His name is forever going to be Leo the leak and he will be know for corruption from now on.

Very Sleepy Joe and Crooked Hillary there.

Brendan Bendar

smurgen wrote: »

It amounted to Leo Varadkar admitting he leaked commercially sensitive information to a buddy. His name is forever going to be Leo the leak and he will be know for corruption from now on.

How is the PSNI investigation going on I wonder, when the Shinners and the white shirts took over the streets.

Any news on the €4m that hopped across the ‘ boaadher’ I wonder, strange that Parnell Sq, didn’t process the sum in this jurisdiction.

Could have paid for a new wave of ‘activists’ down here.

Wouldn’t have to dispose of any of the property portfolio either.

Did I see the deputy leader of a party posing with lads who were seen posing with firearms ?

Finding it difficult to understand the level of interest in Leo Varadkar, whilst far more serious issues are ignored.

Very strange I have to say, puzzling so it is, extremely puzzling.

grayzer75

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

How is the PSNI investigation going on I wonder, when the Shinners and the white shirts took over the streets.

Any news on the €4m that hopped across the ‘ boaadher’ I wonder, strange that Parnell Sq, didn’t process the sum in this jurisdiction.

Could have paid for a new wave of ‘activists’ down here.

Wouldn’t have to dispose of any of the property portfolio either.

Did I see the deputy leader of a party posing with lads who were seen posing with firearms ?

Finding it difficult to understand the level of interest in Leo Varadkar, whilst far more serious issues are ignored.

Very strange I have to say, puzzling so it is, extremely puzzling.

What has any of this got to do with Leo The Leak?