Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

Bishop of hope

smurgen wrote: »

It amounted to Leo Varadkar admitting he leaked commercially sensitive information to a buddy. His name is forever going to be Leo the leak and he will be know for corruption from now on.

Leo is under the sink?
This isn't actually doing him much harm you know.
People have moved on from it, Covid and Xmas are atop agendas now, leak and potatoe soup, sage and leak stuffing, Leo's face, will be, sticking out of every dish on da Xmas table and an image of MLMD carving and serving.
In other words, its a dead turkey!

Brendan Bendar

grayzer75 wrote: »

What has any of this got to do with Leo The Leak?

Last two lines are your friend, hombre.

FrancieBrady

smurgen wrote: »

It amounted to Leo Varadkar admitting he leaked commercially sensitive information to a buddy. His name is forever going to be Leo the leak and he will be know for corruption from now on.

It's the old power swap two step, they'll vilify the Village now because it exposed the shady doings of the golden one. At the end of the day you are right, they did the state some service, not the golden one leaking confidential documents.
As long as they are 'lifting the rocks and having a squinty underneath' and exposing stuff like this to questions they are worth the sub.

https://villagemagazine.ie/meath-council-investigates-potential-conflict-of-interest-in-major-land-re-zoning/

McMurphy

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Leo is under the sink?
This isn't actually doing him much harm you know.
People have moved on from it, Covid and Xmas are atop agendas now, leak and potatoe soup, sage and leak stuffing, Leo's face, will be, sticking out of every dish on da Xmas table and an image of MLMD carving and serving.
In other words, its a dead turkey!

They have

Sipo and AGS investigations been completed? Proclaiming people have moved on and no-one will be talking about it anymore is very very premature, ask Lowry if you need a second opinion.

Floppybits

McMurphy wrote: »

They have

Sipo and AGS investigations been completed? Proclaiming people have moved on and no-one will be talking about it anymore is very very premature, ask Lowry if you need a second opinion.

This is the stock answer from FG, people have moved on, people are not interested, nothing to see here, etc. The thing yes the focus has moved onto other things but this is sitting in the background ready to come back again.

Its like Seamus Woulfe, all went quiet on him for a while after the golf party and now look were we are. We have a Minister of Justice under pressure and now she is pushing the previous minister for Justice under the bus.

Bannasidhe

markodaly wrote: »

Just coming back to this.

If you see my previous posts, you will see that I agree that this was initially a good story. However, they made a balls of it in the delivery of it.
Whose idea was it to break it the weekend before a presidential election?

Then, the drip-feed of "We have an EXCLUSIVE coming tomorrow...." which failed to tell us anything new and was indeed a rehash of the same old story. They did this numerous times....
The final insult was them calling out other media outlets because they didn't toe their line.

At the end, it amounted to nothing but a personal vendetta of a one-man band publication against Leo.

TheVillage Magazine is opinion dressed up as journalism, not the other way around.
The rant and simple factual errors relating to simple bike lanes, proves this.

All of which can be summarised as "the messenger acted unprofessionally therefore we can ignore the story" - a view which utterly fails to consider LV admitted he passed a confidential document to a friend.
He. did. it. That is the story, and it is factually correct.

Personal vendetta against someone who admitted they acted incorrectly?
Get off the stage, Terri Prone is waiting for her go.

Bishop of hope

McMurphy wrote: »

They have

Sipo and AGS investigations been completed? Proclaiming people have moved on and no-one will be talking about it anymore is very very premature, ask Lowry if you need a second opinion.

SIPO are looking at several things as are the AGS.
But that's it.
It's not on people's agenda.
If anything comes off of it I'll be very surprised as will you I'd say.
A statement perhaps admonishing the way Leo went about it, that's the most can bé expected from it, but we've had them already.
Shopping, socialising, turkey and stuffing, that's what's on people's minds now. Leo the leak will be as much a Xmas topic as Kevin the carrot that's all.

Nobotty

Bannasidhe wrote: »

All of which can be summarised as "the messenger acted unprofessionally therefore we can ignore the story" - a view which utterly fails to consider LV admitted he passed a confidential document to a friend.
He. did. it. That is the story, and it is factually correct.

Personal vendetta against someone who admitted they acted incorrectly?
Get off the stage, Terri Prone is waiting for her go.

It was wasted though
As a precision tool,it should have been
released election week
The story in full will be factually incorrect if Vradakar isn't charged and convicted of breaking the law
Come the next election primetime debates,he'll make that very clear if its brought up and for that reason I doubt it will be
It was a monumental wrong time use of ammunition
You'd hope that's the reason the 2nd 'big reveal' was such a flop,that they have now copped on and held something back
I doubt it though,these guys just seem incompetent IMO

smurgen

Nobotty wrote: »

It was wasted though
As a precision tool,it should have been
released election week
The story in full will be factually incorrect if Vradakar isn't charged and convicted of breaking the law
Come the next election primetime debates,he'll make that very clear if its brought up and for that reason I doubt it will be
It was a monumental wrong time use of ammunition
You'd hope that's the reason the 2nd 'big reveal' was such a flop,that they have now copped on and held something back
I doubt it though,these guys just seem incompetent IMO

But everything you've said is subjective but what is a fact is that Leo Varadkar leaked confidential commercially sensitive documents to a third party that was not included in the discussions.

McMurphy

Nobotty wrote: »

It was wasted though
As a precision tool,it should have been
released election week
The story in full will be factually incorrect if Vradakar isn't charged and convicted of breaking the law
Come the next election primetime debates,he'll make that very clear if its brought up and for that reason I doubt it will be
It was a monumental wrong time use of ammunition
You'd hope that's the reason the 2nd 'big reveal' was such a flop,that they have now copped on and held something back
I doubt it though,these guys just seem incompetent IMO

So Leo did wrong, it's just the village magazine didn't get the timing right exposing it?


You have to laugh at the serial FG support posters thanking it.

McMurphy

McMurphy wrote: »

So Leo did wrong, it's just the village magazine didn't get the timing right exposing it?


You have to laugh at the serial FG support posters thanking it.

The Village articles read like the ramblings of a scorned lover. Leo made an error of judgment, both in giving the document to a former friend and in his choice of friends.

Nobotty

smurgen wrote: »

But everything you've said is subjective but what is a fact is that Leo Varadkar leaked confidential commercially sensitive documents to a third party that was not included in the discussions.

Yeah, I know that's a fact,but let's face it,the head of government has a lot of authority and whether it is right or wrong to use it is separate from if its legal
If a Taoiseach has the right to do something, then its not illegal
Thats quite apart from the case that the document was already outside of cabinet,voted on and circulating amongst parties that didn't negotiate it,all of which will have gardai dropping this politely
We mightnt actually hear when thanks to gdpr

Those guys in the village and Paddy cosgrave didn't think this one through
They ejaculated prematurely IMO
Opportunity lost

Nobotty

McMurphy wrote: »

So Leo did wrong, it's just the village magazine didn't get the timing right exposing it?


You have to laugh at the serial FG support posters thanking it.

I know
I'm on mobile so have to go to the bother of clicking on the thanks to see who thanked something
I usually don't
But sure if it makes them feel good, it might sustain them until election time
You have to keep them alive until come uppance time

FrancieBrady

What FG have to worry about from now until a change of leader is, 'is there anymore out there'.

Leo plays on the 'I did nothing wrong' when challenged in an election campaign, then out comes another incidence of 'wrongdoing in the best interests of the country'. FG sink like a stone.

Would you risk it?
He is damaged goods. FG will get rid, they cannot be that stupid or invested in him.

McMurphy

Deleted User wrote: »

The Village articles read like the ramblings of a scorned lover. Leo made an error of judgment, both in giving the document to a former friend and in his choice of friends.

Poor auld MOT, you're trying to throw the man under the bus now? In case you didn't notice, it wasn't even him that blew the whistle on Leo Maryanne, the way you wrote that post, you'd be forgiven for thinking you were implying Leo, Matt and himself are no longer on speaking terms.

Have you a source for that btw, or plucked from you know where?

smurgen

Nobotty wrote: »

Yeah, I know that's a fact,but let's face it,the head of government has a lot of authority and whether it is right or wrong to use it is separate from if its legal
If a Taoiseach has the right to do something, then its not illegal
Thats quite apart from the case that the document was already outside of cabinet,voted on and circulating amongst parties that didn't negotiate it,all of which will have gardai dropping this politely
We mightnt actually hear when thanks to gdpr

Those guys in the village and Paddy cosgrave didn't think this one through
They ejaculated prematurely IMO
Opportunity lost

Given this and the parachuting of Seamus Woulfe by Leo into his position it's a terrible look for the image of FG. The optics when you put it all together is terrible. Looking at the fiasco of the tendering processing of multiple projects and it's death by a thousand cuts for the reputation of the party of law and order.

Fann Linn

smurgen wrote: »

Given this and the parachuting of Seamus Woulfe by Leo into his position it's a terrible look for the image of FG. The optics when you put it all together is terrible. The looking at the fiasco of the tendering processing of multiple projects and it's death by a thousand cuts for the reputation of the party of law and order.

Not everyone swallowed the auld law and order guff.
Moriarty blew that sh1t outta the water.

Floppybits

Deleted User wrote: »

The Village articles read like the ramblings of a scorned lover. Leo made an error of judgment, both in giving the document to a former friend and in his choice of friends.

Would you be saying the same if the shoe was on the other foot and say Mary Lou made an error of judgement like Leo?.

McMurphy

Fann Linn wrote: »

Not everyone swallowed the auld law and order guff.
Moriarty blew that sh1t outta the water.

Error of judgement party.

RandomViewer

smurgen wrote: »

Given this and the parachuting of Seamus Woulfe by Leo into his position it's a terrible look for the image of FG. The optics when you put it all together is terrible. Looking at the fiasco of the tendering processing of multiple projects and it's death by a thousand cuts for the reputation of the party of law and order.

The image most people have of FG is of pompous middle aged men who will condone anything so long as its in the pursuit of profit,

FrancieBrady

McMurphy wrote: »

Error of judgement party.

'Errors of judgements for the good of the country'...has a nice ring to it.

Floppybits

Floppybits wrote: »

Would you be saying the same if the shoe was on the other foot and say Mary Lou made an error of judgement like Leo?.

If the circumstances were the same, yes.

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

If the circumstances were the same, yes.

The 'circumstances' won't be the same. The precedent is set, any Taoiseach can give what ever confidential info they like to whomever they like and not expect sanction.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The 'circumstances' won't be the same. The precedent is set, any Taoiseach can give what ever confidential info they like to whomever they like and not expect sanction.

To err is human. To forgive, divine.

Let it go. You’ll feel so much better.

Bannasidhe

Deleted User wrote: »

If the circumstances were the same, yes.

I wouldn't.

I would be calling for accountability.

The problem is that should the day come when MLMD does slip a confidential doc to a 'friend' she has tacit permission to do so granted by the 'Nothing to See Here' FG cheerleaders.

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

To err is human. To forgive, divine.

Let it go. You’ll feel so much better.

Far to fascinating to watch this unravel to 'let it go'.

Nobotty

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The 'circumstances' won't be the same. The precedent is set, any Taoiseach can give what ever confidential info they like to whomever they like and not expect sanction.

They won't if the rules are changed
Thats the next bill SF should sponsor IMO

jmcc

McMurphy wrote: »

Error of judgement party.

Varadkar's reign of error. Sounds like a low-budget vampire comedy movie.

Regards...jmcc

Fann Linn

[Deleted User] wrote: »

To err is human. To forgive, divine.

Let it go. You’ll feel so much better.

Does that include the Bobby Storey funeral?

micosoft

smurgen wrote: »

It amounted to Leo Varadkar admitting he leaked commercially sensitive information to a buddy. His name is forever going to be Leo the leak and he will be know for corruption from now on.

Can someone explain how this was "commercially sensitive" given both organisations are charitable entities that represent members and not profit making entities. And that there is a single payer - the tax payer in this case.

Secondly do you know what the word corruption means? The only people who appear to have made money out of this are the Village magazine. Varadkars name will have the hashtag because a certain parties social media team dreamt it up to distract from some of their own serious issues. It say more about how you are easily manipulated to be part of an astroturfing campaign than that you have any insight into Irish politics.

For the record, it is utterly normal in union negotiations to make sure every union involved is aware of the "landing zone" for negotiations in pay deals. I've been on both sides (employer/union) in the semi-state sector. If you conducted with absolute secrecy no union would sign any agreement on the possibility another union would negotiate a better deal. What was happening here was an attempt to ensure you did not have a breakaway holding out for more or a reluctance for membership of the bigger union to vote in down if they thought the holdout union might get more. This is especially dysfunctional with "representative" organisations rather than Unions because of competition law etc.

Moreover, if you are looking at it purely from the states perspective, having more than one representative organisation is better for the state. Remember George McNiece and his 20m pension from the IMO. The reason the NAGP went down was because the members felt the IMO had an unfair advantage in negotiating GP rates and that they were locked out because of the IMO monopoly.

It is simply dishonest of the village to suggest this was in any unusual and happened during every major negotiation between govt and unions. Given the first line of the Village article was something a first year journalist student would know was untrue (official secrets act does not apply to politicians) frankly the only folk coming out badly are the Village magazine yet again for being a lefty Breitbart of Ireland. A damp squib story that detracts from real political commentary.