Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

FrancieBrady

golfball37 wrote: »

She claimed not to have seen an email with a subject line of the biggest justice scandal for years whilst she was minister for justice?
She did something wrong no matter how it’s spun. Either willfully or through incompetence- take your pick

She mislead the Dáil which is what led to Micheal Martin threatening to pull the plug, so she resigned.

That was the reason, that she was exonerated by the Inquiry is another issue altogether.

markodaly

McMurphy wrote: »

Where did it exonerate her for misleading the Dail mark?


Tánaiste under fire: Fitzgerald humiliated as Government makes fifth U-turn on McCabe

Ill post it again as you seem to have trouble reading.

The Tribunal report gives a clear exoneration to Ms Fitzgerald, who was forced to resign from the Government in November 2017 as a result of the political controversy surrounding her role.

golfball37

FrancieBrady wrote: »

She mislead the Dáil which is what led to Micheal Martin threatening to pull the plug, so she resigned.

That was the reason, that she was exonerated by the Inquiry is another issue altogether.

She wasn’t fit to hold office after the inaction on the email. The people who FG represent are mostly professional classes who work in jobs where inaction on something of grave importance means serious consequences in any job. How they can defend this shows how bad politics is here.

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

Ill post it again as you seem to have trouble reading.

What you are doing is covered in the last line of this quote. Interesting reading the article and being reminded of Leo's part in this. Familiar behaviour.

Ms Fitzgerald did not have to resign because she failed to stop a challenge to Sgt McCabe’s motivation in 2015.

She was correct in how she handled that matter.

She had to resign because she misrepresented the extent of her knowledge about what went on in 2015, she was slow in answering legitimate questions, her briefing to the Taoiseach saw him mislead the Dáil, and her department failed to discover important documents to the Disclosures Tribunal.

Now Fine Gael wants to brush over that reality and claim the political high ground.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/commentanalysis/arid-30876014.html

McMurphy

markodaly wrote: »

Ill post it again as you seem to have trouble reading.

I have no trouble in the world reading mark, but you seem to be very confused.

If you want to argue about what Frances Fitzgerald was exonerated of, knock yourself out.

However - I made the point Leo Varadkar, and Simon Harris have both seemingly lied in the Dail to cover each others arses, ie - misled the Dail.

Remind me why Frances Fitzgerald resigned?

Was Frances ever exonerated for the reason she resigned?

I don't think the Charleton report covered her misleading the Dail, but if it does, and she's exonerated in it, I'll hold my hands up.

Shall I start counting to a million while you fetch that part for me horse?

FrancieBrady

McMurphy wrote: »

I have no trouble in the world reading mark, but you seem to be very confused.

If you want to argue about what Frances Fitzgerald was exonerated of, knock yourself out.

However - I made the point Leo Varadkar, and Simon Harris have both seemingly lied in the Dail to cover each others arses, ie - misled the Dail.

Remind me why Frances Fitzgerald resigned?

Was Frances ever exonerated for the reason she resigned?

I don't think the Charleton report covered her misleading the Dail, but if it does, and she's exonerated in it, I'll hold my hands up.

Shall I start counting to a million while you fetch that part for me horse?

Not hard to see why Leo's shenanigans are trivialised and glossed over. A few years they'll be pretendng it never happened either.

McMurphy

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not hard to see why Leo's shenanigans are trivialised and glossed over. A few years they'll be pretendng it never happened either.

What's all the more bizzare is, mark has been through this aaaallllllll before, and knows well what is being discussed.

markodaly

McMurphy wrote: »

Was Frances ever exonerated for the reason she resigned?

Yes, yes she was.

The Tribunal report gives a clear exoneration to Ms Fitzgerald

Definition of exonerate
transitive verb

1: to relieve of a responsibility, obligation, or hardship
2: to clear from accusation or blame

I don't think the Charleton report covered her misleading the Dail, but if it does, and she's exonerated in it, I'll hold my hands up.

He did! Read the report.

McMurphy

markodaly wrote: »

He did! Read the report.

Where though? Why can't you point towards that piece? If he did, and it's within that report, I find it behind bizzare that you haven't bothered your hole quoting it on thread here.


It's not in it mark, is it?


Look at you - googling away like a mad yoke for something you know doesn't exist. It's adorable.

FrancieBrady

McMurphy wrote: »

What's all the more bizzare is, mark has been through this aaaallllllll before, and knows well what is being discussed.

I know, and he is still having the same difficulty, finding the section where she was exonerated for misleading her leader and consequently the Dáil. The reason as Clifford says FF smelt blood and called for her head. They got it.

markodaly

McMurphy wrote: »

Where though? Why can't you point towards that piece? If he did, and it's within that report, I find it behind bizzare that you haven't bothered your hole quoting it on thread here.

The Tribunal report gives a clear exoneration to Ms Fitzgerald

You are welcome.

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

You are welcome.

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Ms Fitzgerald did not have to resign because she failed to stop a challenge to Sgt McCabe’s motivation in 2015.

She was correct in how she handled that matter.

She had to resign because she misrepresented the extent of her knowledge about what went on in 2015, she was slow in answering legitimate questions, her briefing to the Taoiseach saw him mislead the Dáil, and her department failed to discover important documents to the Disclosures Tribunal.

Now Fine Gael wants to brush over that reality and claim the political high ground.

McMurphy

markodaly wrote: »

You are welcome.

This is the internet equivalent of staring at a spot on the wall is it?

There's only so many articles and quotes one can give you to clearly explain about what Frances Fitzgerald resigned for, and what she was exonerated of.

Two different things entirely.

By your reckoning, the report exonerated her for not admitting to a fart in her teenage years FFS.

Please stop the disingenuous posting in entirely bad faith.

markodaly

McMurphy wrote: »

There's only so many articles and quotes one can give you to clearly explain about what Frances Fitzgerald resigned for, and what she was exonerated of.
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It doesn't really matter what I say, you will believe what you want, but the Disclosures Tribunal has exonerated her completely.
Everything else is just smoke and mirrors and says more about the people trying to dig up falsehoods.

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

It doesn't really matter what I say, you will believe what you want, but the Disclosures Tribunal has exonerated her completely.
Everything else is just smoke and mirrors and says more about the people trying to dig up falsehoods.

Your party is in government with somebody who still believes this:

Asked on RTÉ radio’s This Week programme if he was prepared to apologise Mr Martin said he bore her no ill will and had nothing personal against Ms Fitzgerald.

“It’s very regrettable on a personal level what happened to Frances Fitzgerald, of course. And I never wanted to be in that position last November.”

But he said the Opposition lost confidence in Ms Fitzgerald because vital information was withheld and the Dáil was misled on whether or not she was aware of what was transpiring at the O’Higgins commission.

Mr Martin said that the Government should be at least as exercised if not more exercised about the main conclusions of the Disclosures Tribunal report than “by their own particular parties’ fortunes and a member of their Government”.

The Fianna Fáil leader said there were links between the controversy which led to Ms FitzGerald stepping down and the resignation of minister for communications Denis Naughten in the withholding of information from the Dáil.


He said Dáil questions from Labour TD Alan Kelly about the Garda smear allegations should have been answered fully. He said information was withheld from both the Dáil and the tribunal and only provided when the Taoiseach ordered a trawl of documents within the Department of Justice.

“The Dáil should be treated up front and with respect and full transparency,” he said.

Embarrassed for you that you had to go out to bat on this one.

markodaly

I'm embarrassed people have to bring up a story from 2-3 years ago to try and make some political capital out of it.
Just goes to show you what little else there is to talk about.

All as said in done, the report exonerated her completely.

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

I'm embarrassed people have to bring up a story from 2-3 years ago to try and make some political capital out of it.
Just goes to show you what little else there is to talk about.

All as said in done, the report exonerated her completely.

No Mark...as Mick Clifford said, you couldn't pass mention of her without climbing onto the high moral ground and now you look foolish.

Everyone is wrong except Mark. Dear oh dear.

Muahahaha

markodaly wrote: »

I'm embarrassed people have to bring up a story from 2-3 years ago to try and make some political capital out of it.
Just goes to show you what little else there is to talk about.

All as said in done, the report exonerated her completely.

If thats the case they you will be able to quote the exact sentence in the Charleton Tribunal Report where he exonerated her for misleading the Dail. You are after all claiming that he exonerated her "completely".

And if she was exonerated "completely" as you claim then why pray tell did she resign? She must be a bit thick if she resigned having done nothing wrong.

Of course we both know thats not the case. Theres two matters at play here, one was her evidence to the Tribunal and two was her misleading the Dail. She was not and nor will she ever be exonerated for misleading the Dail, hence her resignation.

But of course you knew all that. It really is like Groundhog Day around here :rolleyes:

markodaly

Muahahaha wrote: »

If thats the case they you will be able to quote the exact sentence in the Charleton Tribunal Report where he exonerated her for misleading the Dail. You are after all claiming that he exonerated her "completely".

And if she was exonerated "completely" as you claim then why pray tell did she resign? She must be a bit thick if she resigned having done nothing wrong.

Of course we both know thats not the case. Theres two matters at play here, one was her evidence to the Tribunal and two was her misleading the Dail. She was not and nor will she ever be exonerated for misleading the Dail, hence her resignation.

But of course you knew all that. It really is like Groundhog Day around here :rolleyes:

Did you read the report?
Did you read the Irish Times article?

The answer to your question lies therein.

Muahahaha

markodaly wrote: »

Did you read the report?
Did you read the Irish Times article?

The answer to your question lies therein.

Try again marko

If thats the case they you will be able to quote the exact sentence in the Charleton Tribunal Report where he exonerated her for misleading the Dail

Im waiting

markodaly

Muahahaha wrote: »

Try again marko

I gave you your answer, your strawman gotcha notwithstanding.
It is like arguing with Anti-Vaxxers, where they pull some pseudoscience out of a hat and expect to be taken seriously


Strawmen, whataboutery, gotcha questions are all irrelevant.
Francis Fitzgerald was totally exonerated by the Charlton report, that is a Fact.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/1011/1002474-disclosures-tribunal-frances-fitzgerald/

The Disclosures Tribunal's third interim report states that by the time the inquiry came to hear matters in relation to the issue of Sergeant Maurice McCabe's treatment at the O'Higgins Commission, former tánaiste Frances Fitzgerald had "selflessly" decided to resign in the national interest.

Everything else is just nonesense.

smurgen

Muahahaha wrote: »

Try again marko



Im waiting

You'll be waiting. Alot of nonsense getting posted. Anyway. Back to the topic at hand. Another day of the leaker leaking in the headlines.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1352535948530233344?s=19

smurgen

smurgen wrote: »

You'll be waiting. Alot of nonsense getting posted. Anyway. Back to the topic at hand. Another day of the leaker leaking in the headlines.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1352535948530233344?s=19

From the newspaper. “ A statement to the Irish Examiner confirmed: "An Garda Síochána has received correspondence which is currently being assessed to determine what if any Garda action is required.

"An Garda Síochána has no further comment at this time."”

McMurphy

Deleted User wrote: »

From the newspaper. “ A statement to the Irish Examiner confirmed: "An Garda Síochána has received correspondence which is currently being assessed to determine what if any Garda action is required.

"An Garda Síochána has no further comment at this time."”

Poster said "Another day of the leaker leaking in the headlines."

I checked the examiner, and guess what?



It's the headline.

McMurphy

McMurphy wrote: »

Poster said "Another day of the leaker leaking in the headlines."

I checked the examiner, and guess what?

It's the headline.

Not on mine! It’s about 5th story down. Also in the same article “A spokesman for the Tánaiste said Mr Varadkar had not been contacted by gardaí and his office was not aware of any investigation”
Anyone can make a complaint which must be investigated.

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

I gave you your answer, your strawman gotcha notwithstanding.
It is like arguing with Anti-Vaxxers, where they pull some pseudoscience out of a hat and expect to be taken seriously


Strawmen, whataboutery, gotcha questions are all irrelevant.
Francis Fitzgerald was totally exonerated by the Charlton report, that is a Fact.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/1011/1002474-disclosures-tribunal-frances-fitzgerald/


Everything else is just nonesense.

WHich isn't why she resigned.

WHY did she resign Mark? Can you commit to putting the reason in writing? Then we'll see what the facts say.

markodaly

markodaly wrote: »

Yes, yes she was.







He did! Read the report.

She resigned for lying to the dail?

I mean like her speech to the dail is on the record

McMurphy

Deleted User wrote: »

She resigned for lying to the dail?

I mean like her speech to the dail is on the record

Mark is a lone soldier here it would seem.

He knows fine well, but like the FG party, undeserved moral high ground is getting the better of him.

If he's reading this, I hope he lets this sink in.

.However, in a statement, Fianna Fáil said Ms Fitzgerald had to resign because it and "the majority of the Dáil had lost confidence" in her.

The party said that this followed "a trail of mishaps, including forcing the Taoiseach to mislead the House on numerous occasions.

"No finding of Mr Justice Charleton disturbs that fact and every Government Minister is accountable to Dáil Éireann."

More here.

Mr O'Callaghan has defended his actions in the lead-up to the resignation of Ms Fitgzerald.

Speaking on RTÉ’s Morning Ireland, he said that there were "political reasons" why Fianna Fáil, along with most of the Dáil, lost confidence in Ms Fitzgerald.

He said that while he accepted the findings were a vindication of Ms Fitzgerald, their position in November 2017 was a political judgement, similar to Taoiseach Leo Varadkar's loss of confidence in Denis Naughten yesterday, and they had "a responsibility to act".

Ms Fitzgerald gave information to the Taoiseach, Mr O'Callaghan said, and as a result of that, incorrect information was given the Dáil.

Mr O'Callaghan said he bears no grudge against Ms Fitzgerald and it was up to the Taoiseach to decide if she would be brought back into the Cabinet.

markodaly

McMurphy wrote: »

If he's reading this, I hope he lets this sink in.
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Oh, I know full well the political charade the preceded her resignation, the politics doesn't matter really when the Charlton report fully exonerated her from any wrong doing AFTER the fact.....

You know this, I know this but you want to present the political charade as more important then the facts, so what does that make your position on the matter?

Again, I will resort to the facts on this case, that she was 100% totally exonerated from any wrongdoing. That is all you need to know about this issue.

blanch152

Deleted User wrote: »

Not on mine! It’s about 5th story down. Also in the same article “A spokesman for the Tánaiste said Mr Varadkar had not been contacted by gardaí and his office was not aware of any investigation”
Anyone can make a complaint which must be investigated.

The person who made the complaint should be in danger of being charged with wasting Garda time, so tenuous is the complaint.