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Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

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    #5552
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,901 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    markodaly wrote: »
    Oh, I know full well the political charade the preceded her resignation, the politics doesn't matter really when the Charlton report fully exonerated her from any wrong doing AFTER the fact.....

    You know this, I know this but you want to present the political charade as more important then the facts, so what does that make your position on the matter?

    Again, I will resort to the facts on this case, that she was 100% totally exonerated from any wrongdoing. That is all you need to know about this issue.

    Shatter was exonerated as well.

    The mob with pitchforks know they have to get their targets before any kind of real justice takes place. They hate Leo because he manages to evade them each time.


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    #5553
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Shatter was exonerated as well.

    The mob with pitchforks know they have to get their targets before any kind of real justice takes place. They hate Leo because he manages to evade them each time.

    Shatter went on live tv and gave out info that could have only come from the PULSE system


    Surely given your triggered by GDPR rules and free state sharing info with stormont....you would oppose this?


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    #5554
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,842 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    markodaly wrote: »
    Oh, I know full well the political charade the preceded her resignation, the politics doesn't matter really when the Charlton report fully exonerated her from any wrong doing AFTER the fact.....

    You know this, I know this but you want to present the political charade as more important then the facts, so what does that make your position on the matter?

    Again, I will resort to the facts on this case, that she was 100% totally exonerated from any wrongdoing. That is all you need to know about this issue.
    blanch152 wrote: »
    Shatter was exonerated as well.

    The mob with pitchforks know they have to get their targets before any kind of real justice takes place. They hate Leo because he manages to evade them each time.

    All you need to do here lads is point to the section which deals with her misleading her leader and conseqiently the Dáil which is the reason she had to resign.


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    #5555
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,621 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    All you need to do here lads is point to the section which deals with her misleading her leader and conseqiently the Dáil which is the reason she had to resign.

    It does deal with that, in detail actually and exonerates her.

    You know this Francie.


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    #5556
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,842 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    markodaly wrote: »
    It does deal with that, in detail actually and exonerates her.

    You know this Francie.

    Post it Mark...that is what you have been asked to do.


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    #5557
    Pintman Paddy Losty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭Pintman Paddy Losty


    The mods should lock this thread. It's just going round in circles about Frances Fitzgerald. The NAGP issue is done at this stage.


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    #5558
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    markodaly wrote: »
    It does deal with that, in detail actually and exonerates her.

    You know this Francie.

    Where?

    You seem to have great difficulty finding it and quoting it tbh. Could it be because it doesn't exist in the report, because the report didn't cover her misleading the Dail mark?

    Comical Ali meme needed here.


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    #5559
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,842 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    The mods should lock this thread. It's just going round in circles about Frances Fitzgerald. The NAGP issue is done at this stage.

    The Gardai are investigating Varadker...far from over.


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    #5560
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,901 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The Gardai are investigating Varadker...far from over.

    A lie, a blatant lie.

    Deleted User wrote: »
    From the newspaper. “ A statement to the Irish Examiner confirmed: "An Garda Síochána has received correspondence which is currently being assessed to determine what if any Garda action is required.

    "An Garda Síochána has no further comment at this time."”

    This is a very good example of how fake news is created.

    The Gardai are not investigating Varadkar.


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    #5561
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,842 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    A lie, a blatant lie.



    It isn't. The are investigating the veracity of a complaint into him which will evolve into an investigation of his actions f they decide to proceed.

    I.E. ..therefore the story is far from over.


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    #5562
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,901 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    It isn't. The are investigating the veracity of a complaint into him which will evolve into an investigation of his actions if they decide to proceed.

    I.E. ..therefore the story is far from over.

    They are not investigating Varadkar according to the post above, they are investigating Varadkar according to the post below.
    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The Gardai are investigating Varadker...far from over.

    As I said, this is how fake news develops.


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    #5563
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,842 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    They are not investigating Varadkar according to the post above, they are investigating Varadkar according to the post below.



    As I said, this is how fake news develops.

    Let's take this slowly...how do you test the veracity of a complaint against somebody without investigating what happened?


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    #5564
    golfball37
    Registered Users Posts: 4,658 ✭✭✭golfball37


    Are they still investigating the attack on Leo during the summer ? I would have expected an update by now.


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    #5565
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,842 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    golfball37 wrote: »
    Are they still investigating the attack on Leo during the summer ? I would have expected an update by now.

    No word. No word either on Leo suing The Village.


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    #5566
    CrazyFather1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 844 ✭✭✭CrazyFather1


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    No word. No word either on Leo suing The Village.

    When did Varadkar say he would sue the Village?
    https://www.politico.eu/article/irelands-varadkar-sorry-for-giving-confidential-document-to-pal-but-says-hes-no-lawbreaker/

    When asked if he would sue Village for libel, Varadkar suggested he was more likely to seek a retraction or file a complaint with Ireland’s Press Council instead.He said some of the magazine’s claims were “not only defamatory but laughable,” but noted that the magazine’s social media messages “appear to be goading me, wanting me to [sue], which gives me some degree of suspicion, quite frankly.”

    I hate the guy but no need to make up lies about him.


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    #5567
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,842 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    CrazyFather1 wrote: »
    When did Varadkar say he would sue the Village?
    However, Mr Varadkar has dismissed a report in Village Magazine concerning his time as Taoiseach as being “both inaccurate and grossly defamatory”.

    He said he has sought legal advice on the content of the article, which alleged he had broken laws in providing a copy of a revised general practitioner contract to the then head of a GP union, the NAGP, in April 2019.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40073852.html

    Hadn't seen the bit you posted. Accepted, he isn't going to sue, but he did say he was considering it.


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    #5568
    [Deleted User]
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    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    The mods should lock this thread. It's just going round in circles about Frances Fitzgerald. The NAGP issue is done at this stage.

    Ya. Shades of head meeting brick wall.....repeatedly.


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    #5569
    CrazyFather1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 844 ✭✭✭CrazyFather1


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40073852.html

    Hadn't seen the bit you posted. Accepted, he isn't going to sue, but he did say he was considering it.

    Seeking legal advice is not saying he will sue, nothing in that article mentioned he was going to sue


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    #5570
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    CrazyFather1 wrote: »
    Seeking legal advice is not saying he will sue, nothing in that article mentioned he was going to sue

    I seem to remember Leo saying at the time that there was no point suing someone who has no money. Didn’t want to pile hardship on them having to defend themselves.


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    #5571
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,842 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    CrazyFather1 wrote: »
    Seeking legal advice is not saying he will sue, nothing in that article mentioned he was going to sue

    I didn't say he said 'he was going to sue', if you are going to be stiffly pedantic. I said there was no word on whether he would. Not sure if you seek legal advice on being defamed what you would be doing tbh, but that is just me.
    You have posted the definitive answer which I accept.


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    #5572
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,901 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    No word. No word either on Leo suing The Village.
    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40073852.html

    Hadn't seen the bit you posted. Accepted, he isn't going to sue, but he did say he was considering it.

    That is twice today you have posted fake news about Varadkar.

    There must be bad news coming for Sinn Fein, is there something in the weekend papers?


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    #5573
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,842 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    That is twice today you have posted fake news about Varadkar.

    There must be bad news coming for Sinn Fein, is there something in the weekend papers?

    I did something you cannot do, I accepted I was wrong on him suing The Village, he has ruled it out after taking advice on what he percieved as demfamation.

    Now any chance you and Mark can come down of 'the high moral ground' and admit you are wrong on why Fitzgerald resigned and the Report makes no mention of why she resigned (because that wasn't in it's terms of reference)


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    #5574
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,901 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I did something you cannot do, I accepted I was wrong on him suing The Village, he has ruled it out after taking advice on what he percieved as demfamation.

    Again, that is more fake news.

    "He said lawyers had advised him “that suing them would be like suing somebody on Twitter.”"

    In effect, he wouldn't even be able to get his legal costs back.


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    #5575
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,842 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Again, that is more fake news.

    "He said lawyers had advised him “that suing them would be like suing somebody on Twitter.”"

    In effect, he wouldn't even be able to get his legal costs back.

    That cmment came later.

    This is what I was referring to, you'll see the key words his percieved 'defamation' and that he was taking legal advice on that.
    However, Mr Varadkar has dismissed a report in Village Magazine concerning his time as Taoiseach as being “both inaccurate and grossly defamatory”.

    He said he has sought legal advice on the content of the article, which alleged he had broken laws in providing a copy of a revised general practitioner contract to the then head of a GP union, the NAGP, in April 2019.


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    #5576
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    That cmment came later.

    This is what I was referring to, you'll see the key words his percieved 'defamation' and that he was taking legal advice on that.


    I think the difficulty for Varadkar is that the truth is an absolute defense to Libel.


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    #5577
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    I think the difficulty for Varadkar is that the truth is an absolute defense to Libel.

    Always read to me like he couldn't sue because he lied, passed the confidential document to a pal to try garner support/votes. However if he made noises in that direction he can use it to compound his lie. 'I could sue, if I wanted'...sure, but he'd never any intention.


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    #5578
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    I think the difficulty for Varadkar is that the truth is an absolute defense to Libel.

    The only way he could sue is if he visits in person, falls on their premises and does a Maria Bailey on it. There won't be any legal action :D


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    #5579
    Qwertyminger
    Registered Users Posts: 96 ✭✭Qwertyminger


    smurgen wrote: »
    The only way he could sue is if he visits in person, falls on their premises and does a Maria Bailey on it. There won't be any legal action :D
    They won't have him in there because there are confidential documents around the place.


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    #5580
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    golfball37 wrote: »
    Are they still investigating the attack on Leo during the summer ? I would have expected an update by now.

    Little chance of a YFG member I mean a random member of the public getting a dawn raid, for an obvious staged "attack" after the mess they made of the Paul Murphy episode.


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    #5581
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users Posts: 19,482 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Little chance of a YFG member I mean a random member of the public getting a dawn raid, for an obvious staged "attack" after the mess they made of the Paul Murphy episode.

    Dead right to ensure Murphy couldnt organise a crowd of sit down dudes and dudesses armed with mobile phones to ensure his ‘episode ‘ got maximum publicity and problems for the Gardai with the media well tipped off in advance.

    Randal I’m very surprised your naivety is beginning to be so obvious.

    Do you seriously think the rozzers would let that happen after Boy Blue ran riot with the bullhorns out in Jobbo?

    Did the right thing to get Murphy in irons long before the citizen army turned over for the second time:D

    Pity they couldn’t go the whole way, it’s widely said.


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