Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

Pintman Paddy Losty

weldoninhio wrote: »

I don't think he'll do bird, but it should be the final nail in his political career. I can't see Harris being the type to lie to the Gardai because i think he knows he'd crumble under pressure of questioning and that would be the end of his career too. Could be a case of et tu Simon. Hopefully.

Hahahaha


What do you think is happening? Two hard-ass detectives working Simon over doing the good cop bad cop routine . Harris breaking down and telling all as they fetch him a McDonald's and rub his back and tell him its alright and he did the right thing...hahah


It's a formality. They'll take a short statement. The conclusion months from now will be no laws broken. It's funny how excited shinnerbots are getting about it. Literally nothing will come of it.

McMurphy

blanch152 wrote: »

I know you have nailed your colours to the mast firmly on this one, holding the opinion that a crime has been committed.

Well, I don't see the story on the front page of the RTE website, neither does it seem to appear on the front page of the Independent website, so I really don't get the seriousness of it. Gardai will conclude preliminary enquiries and confirm that no crime has been committed. In line with your normal standards, I am sure that you will confirm that Leo has been completely exonerated.

This is awkward....




So, now with your detailed and in-depth opinion on something appearing on the front page of RTE, by your standards, does this now mean it is serious?


**Reverse, reverse, reverse!**

Pintman Paddy Losty

McMurphy wrote: »

Aaahhh welcome back to the thread paddy.



This has matured well all things considered, hasn't it?

It has yeah. The thread should have been locked at the time. It was just you in here chasing your tale rabbitting on about Frances Fitzgerald. They could have opened it up again when there was further developments.

jimmycrackcorm

Tpcl20 wrote:

He's a cretin because he did it to bump up his friend, professionally, socially, financially etc. Also he downplayed the seriousness of it so that he wouldn't get in trouble. Also he continues to deny that it was wrong even though it plainly benefitted himself (his self-importance in the eyes of others, pathetic) and his friend (cronyism).

There's going to be a lot of disappointed people in this thread when the Garda investigation comes to nothing.

weldoninhio

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Hahahaha


What do you think is happening? Two hard-ass detectives working Simon over doing the good cop bad cop routine . Harris breaking down and telling all as they fetch him a McDonald's and rub his back and tell him its alright and he did the right thing...hahah


It's a formality. They'll take a short statement. The conclusion months from now will be no laws broken. It's funny how excited shinnerbots are getting about it. Literally nothing will come of it.

I abhor Sinn Fein. I'd much rather the crooks of FFG we have in DE stayed, better the devil you know.

He went in with a pre-prepared statement. I'm sure he wouldn't want to have given the Gardai a false statement. He already lied in the Dail and got caught out.

Cute Hoor

weldoninhio wrote: »

I can't see Harris being the type to lie to the Gardai

I think there is one thing we can be reasonably confident of, he isn't the type of guy who will sit in the interview room, pick a spot on the wall, and utter 'no comment' every couple of minutes. He definitely talks in his sleep.

RandomViewer

blanch152 wrote: »

I know you have nailed your colours to the mast firmly on this one, holding the opinion that a crime has been committed.

Well, I don't see the story on the front page of the RTE website, neither does it seem to appear on the front page of the Independent website, so I really don't get the seriousness of it. Gardai will conclude preliminary enquiries and confirm that no crime has been committed. In line with your normal standards, I am sure that you will confirm that Leo has been completely exonerated.

Its on the RTE website and front page of the Irish Times and Examiner, RTE also has a story of the Indo trying to block court inspectors
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2021/0215/1197177-leslie-buckley/

McMurphy

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

There's going to be a lot of disappointed people in this thread when the Garda investigation comes to nothing.

If won't matter, Leo is damaged goods now, he has admitted to being untrustworthy, unprofessional, and worst of all, exposed as a liar.

Being investigated by the NCBI, the same unit of AGS who are more used to investigating the Kinihan cartel, and dissident republicans etc will no doubt do wonders for Leo's street cred though.

He'll prob get an "only God can judge me" tattoo now on his arm, and walk through the halls of Leinster House like he owns the place, the two Simons in tow, like young ducklings following their mammy.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Wait a minute...YOU are the very poster who proceeds to a guilty verdict IF the allegations are about specific people.

By your criteria Varadkar is already guilty. A garda investigation is pointless.

Funny to see this, your conversion to being a democrat when it comes to Leo and FG, it's a bit like the DUP hiding behind the GFA now, when it suits them.

In my opinion, Varadkar broke the law, but he is innocent until proven guilty.

No, I consider the law, the evidence, and reach reasonable conclusions.

For example, Gerry Adams told one story to a TV programme, another to the PSNI and the court. I didn't conclude that he is a perjurer (there is no offence in lying to a TV programme), but I did conclude that he was a liar. Make no apologies for that, as the evidence is clear.

In this case, there is simply no evidence of a crime. I do not understand how you hold your opinion that he broke the law, without ever having been able to tell us which part of what law he broke. It seems to be little more than a feeling in your bones, unless you can point to the relevant clause of legislation.

We previously had you and others saying that Leo broke restrictions when in the Phoenix Park. Even the Daily Mirror didn't fall for that one.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/leo-varadkar-phoenix-park-photos-22081182

Even Pearse has said that he wasn't accusing Leo of breaking the law in the link you provided today. So time to get off the ditch, get on the field of play, and back up your accusation with relevant links to the legislation.

blanch152

RandomViewer wrote: »

RTE also has a story of the Indo trying to block court inspectors
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2021/0215/1197177-leslie-buckley/

What has that to do with Leo?

blanch152

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

There's going to be a lot of disappointed people in this thread when the Garda investigation comes to nothing.

Oh, they won't see that, they will double down and claim that the investigation was nobbled.

It is amazing that no matter how many times they have been egg-faced by their Leo accusations, that they come back for more.

RandomViewer

McMurphy wrote: »

If won't matter, Leo is damaged goods now, he has admitted to being untrustworthy, unprofessional, and worst of all, exposed as a liar.

Being investigated by the NCBI, the same unit of AGS who are more used to investigating the Kinihan cartel, and dissident republicans etc will no doubt do wonders for Leo's street cred though.

He'll prob get an "only God can judge me" tattoo now on his arm, and walk through the halls of Leinster House like he owns the place, the two Simons in tow, like young ducklings following their mammy.

Peaky Blinders theme playing in the background

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

No, I consider the law, the evidence, and reach reasonable conclusions.

For example, Gerry Adams told one story to a TV programme, another to the PSNI and the court. I didn't conclude that he is a perjurer (there is no offence in lying to a TV programme), but I did conclude that he was a liar. Make no apologies for that, as the evidence is clear.

In this case, there is simply no evidence of a crime. I do not understand how you hold your opinion that he broke the law, without ever having been able to tell us which part of what law he broke. It seems to be little more than a feeling in your bones, unless you can point to the relevant clause of legislation.

We previously had you and others saying that Leo broke restrictions when in the Phoenix Park. Even the Daily Mirror didn't fall for that one.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/leo-varadkar-phoenix-park-photos-22081182

Even Pearse has said that he wasn't accusing Leo of breaking the law in the link you provided today. So time to get off the ditch, get on the field of play, and back up your accusation with relevant links to the legislation.

You have convicted so many times on the basis of allegations I have lost count.

Own it. And stop trying to divert to the Shinners.

This is Leo's mess coming back to haunt Leo and FG. Not to mention those who circled the wagons.

Let the Gardai do their work.

IAMAMORON

I find it side splitting that the only people who are so adamant about this being Leo's howler are Sinn Féin supporters. Creaming themselves over a complete non story.

The Gards are just following SOP and they will send a file to the AG who will put an elastic band around it and phuck it in the corner.

Get over yourselves, it is a total non-story and only the haters are trying to escalate it.

IAMAMORON

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I find it side splitting that the only people who are so adamant about this being Leo's howler are Sinn Féin supporters. Creaming themselves over a complete non story.

The Gards are just following SOP and they will send a file to the AG who will put an elastic band around it and phuck it in the corner.

Get over yourselves, it is a total non-story and only the haters are trying to escalate it.

Leaking confidential.documents is now a non-story.....quite telling how low standreds in public office have fallen under this government

blanch152

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I find it side splitting that the only people who are so adamant about this being Leo's howler are Sinn Féin supporters. Creaming themselves over a complete non story.

The Gards are just following SOP and they will send a file to the AG who will put an elastic band around it and phuck it in the corner.

Get over yourselves, it is a total non-story and only the haters are trying to escalate it.

If RTE or the newspapers thought there was something in this, it would take over from the virus and be running with three or four separate stories about it all day long. It barely gets a mention with some of them.

On here, those rules don't apply, and people without a single shred of evidence can pontificate that in their opinion Leo broke the law, and they don't even have a clue which part of what law they are talking about. Low-quality bullsh!t is the order of the day from them.

Dempo1

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I find it side splitting that the only people who are so adamant about this being Leo's howler are Sinn Féin supporters. Creaming themselves over a complete non story.

The Gards are just following SOP and they will send a file to the AG who will put an elastic band around it and phuck it in the corner.

Get over yourselves, it is a total non-story and only the haters are trying to escalate it.

Sadly they are, perhaps read previous post more carefully. This has nothing to do with SF or other opposition parties, albeit they've been good enough to raise it ligitmately. Its about Leaky Leo and some have hijacked the thread trying to deflect the real issue, a sitting Taoiseach allegedly being quite naughty.

I don't see a former Taoiseach offering to make a statement to Gardai a none story.

RandomViewer

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Leaking confidential.documents is a non-story.....quite telling how low standreds in public office have fallen under this government

FG have always been fine with criminality so long as its for profit, they only get worked up when its for a cause

McMurphy

blanch152 wrote: »

I know you have nailed your colours to the mast firmly on this one, holding the opinion that a crime has been committed.

Well, I don't see the story on the front page of the RTE website, neither does it seem to appear on the front page of the Independent website, so I really don't get the seriousness of it. Gardai will conclude preliminary enquiries and confirm that no crime has been committed. In line with your normal standards, I am sure that you will confirm that Leo has been completely exonerated.

This is awkward....




So, now with your detailed and in-depth opinion on something appearing on the front page of RTE, by your standards, does this now mean it is serious?


**Reverse, reverse, reverse!**

blanch152 wrote: »

If RTE or the newspapers thought there was something in this, it would take over from the virus and be running with three or four separate stories about it all day long. It barely gets a mention with some of them.

On here, those rules don't apply, and people without a single shred of evidence can pontificate that in their opinion Leo broke the law, and they don't even have a clue which part of what law they are talking about. Low-quality bullsh!t is the order of the day from them.

The reversing started. Just like I predicted it would.

Cute Hoor

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I find it side splitting that the only people who are so adamant about this being Leo's howler are Sinn Féin supporters. Creaming themselves over a complete non story.

The Gards are just following SOP and they will send a file to the AG who will put an elastic band around it and phuck it in the corner.

Get over yourselves, it is a total non-story and only the haters are trying to escalate it.

Is it OK for Varadkar to pass a CONFIDENTIAL document to his buddy, if it is, fair enough, presumably all CONFIDENTIAL documents can then be passed around to whoever might like to see them.

blanch152

Cute Hoor wrote: »

Is it OK for Varadkar to pass a CONFIDENTIAL document to his buddy, if it is, fair enough, presumably all CONFIDENTIAL documents can then be passed around to whoever might like to see them.

Who decides what is confidential and when it is no longer confidential?

Cute Hoor

blanch152 wrote: »

Who decides what is confidential and when it is no longer confidential?

CONFIDENTIAL emblazoned across each page is the first clue, after that the fact that it hasn't been released to anybody would be another clue

weldoninhio

blanch152 wrote: »

Who decides what is confidential and when it is no longer confidential?

Well LeotheLeak is on Dail record as stating that the file was confidential when he sent it. So, it no longer being confidential is just a deflection from the facts.

IAMAMORON

Dempo1 wrote: »

Sadly they are, perhaps read previous post more carefully. This has nothing to do with SF or other opposition parties, albeit they've been good enough to raise it ligitmately. Its about Leaky Leo and some have hijacked the thread trying to deflect the real issue, a sitting Taoiseach allegedly being quite naughty.

I don't see a former Taoiseach offering to make a statement to Gardai a none story.

As I said, enjoy it while it lasts.

But everyone who likes Leo just thinks it is a waste of time.

Talking of timing, it is also another terrible example of Sinn Féin jumping the gun and not thinking things through. If they could wait another 10 months the story would have 10 times as much credence or pertinence as Leo would be just about getting ready to take over as Taoiseach and maybe someone in FF might decide to throw someone under a bus.

Witless.

blanch152

Cute Hoor wrote: »

CONFIDENTIAL emblazoned across each page is the first clue, after that the fact that it hasn't been released to anybody would be another clue

The first clue is nonsense, because I have seen thousands of documents with CONFIDENTIAL emblazoned across each page, very easy to watermark using Microsoft Word. Nothing illegal in that.

weldoninhio wrote: »

Well LeotheLeak is on Dail record as stating that the file was confidential when he sent it. So, it no longer being confidential is just a deflection from the facts.

What does the confidentiality of that document mean in a legal context?

Cute Hoor

blanch152 wrote: »

The first clue is nonsense, because I have seen thousands of documents with CONFIDENTIAL emblazoned across each page, very easy to watermark using Microsoft Word. Nothing illegal in that.

Are you saying it wasn't a confidential document?

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If he didn't contravene the legislation then it WASN'T wrong.

Would be interested to know if this view is still held around here.

weldoninhio

blanch152 wrote: »

The first clue is nonsense, because I have seen thousands of documents with CONFIDENTIAL emblazoned across each page, very easy to watermark using Microsoft Word. Nothing illegal in that.



What does the confidentiality of that document mean in a legal context?

It means not to be shared with your mates. It was so confidential that the Health minister was turned down when he requested a copy.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Would be interested to know if this view is still held around here.

Why did he apologise if nothing 'wrong' was done?
The Gardai are investigating we will see if they agree with Leo and it was 'wrong'.


There will be 'radio' silence on this until they pass judgement. Which is normal.

RandomViewer

Can see unions refusing to deal with the government if this isn't shown to be punished, Harris and Varadkar heading for the back benches with Josepha holding court till they can return,