Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

markodaly

James Brown wrote: »

He confessed ffs. The deed is done..

I think people are wildly exaggerating what happened here and what he actually admitted and apologised for.

But I suppose any port in a storm.

James Brown

markodaly wrote: »

I think people are wildly exaggerating what happened here and what he actually admitted and apologised for.

But I suppose any port in a storm.

They are not but pretend they are if you like.
He leaked, it was confidential. Was it illegal is the only query.

Fann Linn

markodaly wrote: »

I think people are wildly exaggerating what happened here and what he actually admitted and apologised for.

But I suppose any port in a storm.

So why are the Gardai still investigating?

Suckit

Fann Linn wrote: »

So why are the Gardai still investigating?

If we are to believe some posters here, it could be that they are simply homophobic, racist or both.

Floppybits

Suckit wrote: »

If we are to believe some posters here, it could be that they are simply homophobic, racist or both.

Ah sure according to some on here the guards have nothing better to do only waste their time looking into this.

RandomViewer

Suckit wrote: »

If we are to believe some posters here, it could be that they are simply homophobic, racist or both.

So if Coveney had leaked the document it wouldn't have been an issue?

McMurphy

RandomViewer wrote: »

So if Coveney had leaked the document it wouldn't have been an issue?

Ah sure he has glasses and overcame a speech impediment.


You're not thinking outside the box random!

Floppybits

RandomViewer wrote: »

So if Coveney had leaked the document it wouldn't have been an issue?

If Pearse Doherty had leaked a document would this be OK?

blanch152

Floppybits wrote: »

If Pearse Doherty had leaked a document would this be OK?

Context matters.

What is the document?

What is the legal status of the document?

Was it shared for public policy reasons?

Was there a reasonable public policy objective in sharing the document?

Was the person who the document was shared with, a reasonable end-user of the document?

Depending on the answers to these questions, you can then conclude whether or not it was reasonable to share a document.

Get Real

blanch152 wrote: »

Context matters.

What is the document?

What is the legal status of the document?

Was it shared for public policy reasons?

Was there a reasonable public policy objective in sharing the document?

Was the person who the document was shared with, a reasonable end-user of the document?

Depending on the answers to these questions, you can then conclude whether or not it was reasonable to share a document.

Exactly. So you agree. In order to establish those answers, you'd have to, oh, I don't know.... Investigate?

Then either recommend no prosecution or a prosecution. Let the DPP decide. That's, an investigation.

You literally say it's not an investigation, and then post exactly what an investigation is. Asking questions, to determine facts, and pursue a course of action. Finding answers to questions, to make a conclusion.

It doesn't mean he is or isn't guilty and I'm not commenting on that. Just find it bizarre you say it's not being investigated, and then define it as one.

Nobotty

Get Real wrote: »

Exactly. So you agree. In order to establish those answers, you'd have to, oh, I don't know.... Investigate?

Then either recommend no prosecution or a prosecution. Let the DPP decide. That's, an investigation.

You literally say it's not an investigation, and then post exactly what an investigation is. Asking questions, to determine facts, and pursue a course of action. Finding answers to questions, to make a conclusion.

It doesn't mean he is or isn't guilty and I'm not commenting on that. Just find it bizarre you say it's not being investigated, and then define it as one.

All incidents within reason reported to the Gardàí are firstly investigated for their veracity
There is always an investigation
When a crime is identified,it becomes a criminal investigation
The process is supposed to follow innocent untill proven guilty (of a crime) and thats proper order

RandomViewer

Floppybits wrote: »

If Pearse Doherty had leaked a document would this be OK?

Neither would but the poster decided to make it about Varadkars ethnicity and orientation rather than his actions,

RandomViewer

McMurphy wrote: »

Ah sure he has glasses and overcame a speech impediment.


You're not thinking outside the box random!

So basically the only person who can be blamed is a middle aged straight white male with perfect vision ,their own hair and a D4 accent?

blanch152

Get Real wrote: »

Exactly. So you agree. In order to establish those answers, you'd have to, oh, I don't know.... Investigate?

Then either recommend no prosecution or a prosecution. Let the DPP decide. That's, an investigation.

You literally say it's not an investigation, and then post exactly what an investigation is. Asking questions, to determine facts, and pursue a course of action. Finding answers to questions, to make a conclusion.

It doesn't mean he is or isn't guilty and I'm not commenting on that. Just find it bizarre you say it's not being investigated, and then define it as one.

An investigation or a Garda investigation?

The former is a word in the English language with varying meanings, the latter is a particular action taken under statute.

There is no Garda investigation, I stand over that statement. I doubt there ever will be one, but I have been known to be wrong occasionally.

James Brown

RandomViewer wrote: »

So basically the only person who can be blamed is a middle aged straight white male with perfect vision ,their own hair and a D4 accent?

Picking on him because he's well educated and comes from a 'good' family....

Varadkar is being investigated by the Garda and we've folk quibbling over what title it should be given. It's like when they were re-imagining what 'confidential' means.
At the end of the day both he and his actions are being investigated due to the possibility of it being criminal, otherwise they wouldn't bother their barney.

Nobotty

Coveney is in Tehran I see on the six one news on UN business meeting the Ayatollah :eek:

RandomViewer

James Brown wrote: »

Picking on him because he's well educated and comes from a 'good' family....

Varadkar is being investigated by the Garda and we've folk quibbling over what title it should be given. It's like when they were re-imagining what 'confidential' means.
At the end of the day both he and his actions are being investigated due to the possibility of it being criminal, otherwise they wouldn't bother their barney.

At this stage I wouldnt be surprised if he was prolonging this for the attention

McMurphy

Nobotty wrote: »

Coveney is in Tehran I see on the six one news on UN business meeting the Ayatollah :eek:

I wonder if the meeting is being held on Bobby Sands Street:D?

RandomViewer

Nobotty wrote: »

Coveney is in Tehran I see on the six one news on UN business meeting the Ayatollah :eek:

It looks good, Ireland making a positive impact on the world stage, dont think the Israelis are impressed ,

GT89

Nobotty wrote: »

Coveney is in Tehran I see on the six one news on UN business meeting the Ayatollah :eek:

Disgraceful whilst us plebs are told by the same government they can't go more than 5 kilometres from their place of residence. Can the meeting seriously not be done remotely? The two fingers to all the people laid off from work.

RandomViewer

GT89 wrote: »

Disgraceful whilst us plebs are told by the same government they can't go more than 5 kilometres from their place of residence. Can the meeting seriously not be done remotely? The two fingers to all the people laid off from work.

Iranians arent fans of the Internet , the guy is actually doing what he's paid to do, I dont like him but can't fault this

Brendan Bendar

Bottom of the barrel being scraped now, guy being blamed for doing his job.

And these are the people that think they will be in power.

Excuse me for laughing, folks.

#SFthepartyofnegativity.

Jinglejangle69

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Bottom of the barrel being scraped now, guy being blamed for doing his job.

And these are the people that think they will be in power.

Excuse me for laughing, folks.

#SFthepartyofnegativity.

Is there literally anything some people don't give out about just for the sake of it?

Why a waste of energy.

They say its healthy to have SF as opposition to hold the government to account.

But all they do is argue against anything the government does just for the sake of it.

That's not constructive, it's trying to score political points at any angle even if it benefits the country.

This Simon Coveney criticism really is scraping the barrel.

Not one poster here would go to Tehran for a holiday if there wasn't covid even if it was all paid for let alone go for work reasons.

Nobotty

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Bottom of the barrel being scraped now, guy being blamed for doing his job.

And these are the people that think they will be in power.

Excuse me for laughing, folks.

#SFthepartyofnegativity.

But Brendan,they will be in power,absolutely no doubt about it
Mary Lou will be our first Female Taoiseach after the next election,we just have to get over the hump of 2 more years of Premier Vradakar up to 2025 first
Don't shoot the messenger

Jinglejangle69

Nobotty wrote: »

But Brendan,they will be in power,absolutely no doubt about it
Mary Lou will be our first Female Taoiseach after the next election,we just have to get over the hump of 2 more years of Premier Vradakar up to 2025 first
Don't shoot the messenger

Premier Varadakar?

Is this meant to be funny or am I missing something??

Floppybits

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Bottom of the barrel being scraped now, guy being blamed for doing his job.

And these are the people that think they will be in power.

Excuse me for laughing, folks.

#SFthepartyofnegativity.

Ah Brendi out spinning the party line as usual always SF faults.

And for the record I don't mind that Coveney is in Iran meeting whoever needs to be met that is his role unless he is slipping them some confidential documents. We all know FG have form in this.

GT89

RandomViewer wrote: »

Iranians arent fans of the Internet , the guy is actually doing what he's paid to do, I dont like him but can't fault this

Let me remind you. Construction is deemed not essiential but somehow visiting Iran is.

RandomViewer

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Bottom of the barrel being scraped now, guy being blamed for doing his job.

And these are the people that think they will be in power.

Excuse me for laughing, folks.

#SFthepartyofnegativity.

Jumping the gun there Anto, tone of post condemning Coveney is more anti-lockdown YFG

Jinglejangle69

GT89 wrote: »

Let me remind you. Construction is deemed not essiential but somehow visiting Iran is.

Are you actually comparing government work to construction?

For Forks Sake

GT89 wrote: »

Let me remind you. Construction is deemed not essiential but somehow visiting Iran is.

He's the Minister for Foreign Affairs, and also Ireland currently have a seat on the UN Security Council.

It's literally his job