Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

_Kaiser_

I still don't get why we are discussing SF in a thread about Leo and FG and his actions (and confession/apology) here. Whataboutery/look over there doesn't address any of that. It's completely OT and probably best suited to one of the SF threads, no?

Is that the only defence/counter that the pro-Leo/FGers can offer? I'm no FG/Leo fan but no "shinner" either, but I think the best way forward for FG either way is to cut their losses and dump him (and of course that just mean him moving to a cushy role in Europe or the lobby circuit, so it's not as though he'll be joining the dole queue like many others they've pushed there in the last year)

Of course that means Coveney would likely succeed him which would be worse again.. Hmm, ok I see the dilemma!

RandomViewer

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I still don't get why we are discussing SF in a thread about Leo and FG and his actions (and confession/apology) here. Whataboutery/look over there doesn't address any of that. It's completely OT and probably best suited to one of the SF threads, no?

Is that the only defence/counter that the pro-Leo/FGers can offer? I'm no FG/Leo fan but no "shinner" either, but I think the best way forward for FG either way is to cut their losses and dump him (and of course that just mean him moving to a cushy role in Europe or the lobby circuit, so it's not as though he'll be joining the dole queue like many others they've pushed there in the last year)

Of course that means Coveney would like succeed him which would be worse again.. Hmm, ok I see the dilemma!

FG party dont want Coveney, they'll give it to Josepha or Heather,

ohnonotgmail

RandomViewer wrote: »

FG party dont want Coveney, they'll give it to Josepha or Heather,

You would think that Josepha's involvement in that other scandal would make her a no-go but it doesn't seem to work that way for FG.

Suckit

RandomViewer wrote: »

FG party dont want Coveney, they'll give it to Josepha or Heather,

:eek: Sweet Christ!! That's the best they have to offer?
It'll definitely be a woman, as the amount of crying and shouting they have been doing about misogyny, sexism etc.. But one of those two? Thankfully it'll be an era where FG are not in power, and with a bit of luck, with either of those at the helm it will stay that way.

RandomViewer

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

You would think that Josepha's involvement in that other scandal would make her a no-go but it doesn't seem to work that way for FG.

Someone said a few days ago that they'd invested so much in certain candidates that unless they are caught at the scene of the crime by a high ranking Garda officer and 20 independent witnesses of at least 5 different nationalities it didn't happen

_Kaiser_

Suckit wrote: »

:eek: Sweet Christ!! That's the best they have to offer?
It'll definitely be a woman, as the amount of crying and shouting they have been doing about misogyny, sexism etc.. But one of those two? Thankfully it'll be an era where FG are not in power, and with a bit of luck, with either of those at the helm it will stay that way.

I would think they'll give it to the other "rising star" Helen in that case? Not that that's any better option.

FG have the same problem as FF. No one waiting in the wings that you'd see as a natural successor that could both unify the party and get the public behind them again.

RandomViewer

Suckit wrote: »

:eek: Sweet Christ!! That's the best they have to offer?
It'll definitely be a woman, as the amount of crying and shouting they have been doing about misogyny, sexism etc.. But one of those two? Thankfully it'll be an era where FG are not in power, and with a bit of luck, with either of those at the helm it will stay that way.

Regina hasn't got a seat so its a limited choice

RandomViewer

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I would think they'll give it to the other "rising star" Helen in that case? Not that that's any better option.

FG have the same problem as FF. No one waiting in the wings that you'd see as a natural successor that could both unify the party and get the public behind them again.

They went with youth with Varadkar ,cost them too many oldies, middle aged woman to be next FG leader

_Kaiser_

RandomViewer wrote: »

They went with youth with Varadkar ,cost them too many oldies, middle aged woman to be next FG leader

That'll cost them anyone who values experience and competence over virtue signalling and quotas.

As I said, it's quite the dilemma.

jmcc

RandomViewer wrote: »

FG party dont want Coveney, they'll give it to Josepha or Heather,

The FG grassroots voted for Coveney. The FG Oireachtas gang were too busy virtue signalling to the Wokus Dei morons in the media and picked Varadkar. What a success that turned out to be. Madigan and Humphreys seem like a low-rent Thelma and Louise and would drive FG over the cliff into complete irrelevance.

Regards...jmcc

Suckit

That was a choice that they will be feeling the effects of for years to come.
It couldn't be Helen. Even her local constituency couldn't vote her in as party leader surely.

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Nobody ever claimed there was a 'right'.

You guys keep inventing things that are said.

So what is the overall point?
SF got more votes in the 2020 GE then anyone else....
And?

jmcc

markodaly wrote: »

So what is the overall point?
SF got more votes in the 2020 GE then anyone else....
And?

It beat FG. So, in the immortal words of your betters, know your place. (As a third place political party led by a fourth rate leader)

Regards...jmcc

markodaly

golfball37 wrote: »

That’s not accurate either. Coalition is defined by more than one grouping represented in cabinet . Pretty sure we had a Haughey govt that was propped up by Tony Gregory and few indos for voting purposes. Not that it matters coalitions are here for eternity

It was a minority FF government ironically voted in by Sinn Fein - The Workers Party.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_the_23rd_D%C3%A1il

markodaly

jmcc wrote: »

It beat FG. So, in the immortal words of your betters, know your place. (As a third place political party led by a fourth rate leader)

Regards...jmcc

Yet, still in government....

Its like a football team bragging about how many corners it won when the opposing team is walking off the pitch with the Trophy.

jmcc

markodaly wrote: »

Yet, still in government....

*Mod Snip - no need for this* Your dear leader led your party to one of its worst defeats ever and still wanted to commemorate the Black and Tans.

Regards...jmcc

markodaly

jmcc wrote: »

*Mod Snip - no need for this* Your dear leader led your party to one of its worst defeats ever and still wanted to commemorate the Black and Tans.

Regards...jmcc

An odd reply I must say.... and slightly vulger.

Muahahaha

markodaly wrote: »

So what is the overall point?
SF got more votes in the 2020 GE then anyone else....
And?

And SF out polled FG in every single age category from 18-65. Plus they out polled them in the ABC1 category meaning the very wealthiest in society preferred SF over FG. Thats what you get for messing up the housing market, when the kids of wealthy people cant afford housing theres going to be a backlash. Sure even a TD on 100k a year is complaining he cant afford a gaff in Dublin which says it all, what hope is there for the vast majority who are not on 100k? They're screwed under Fine Gael, thats what.

They're extraordinarily worrying statistics for the party of Law and Order who now have their leader under a Garda investigation, something which has never happened before. A huge section of society rejected Fine Gael yet ended up with them anyway. The next election will be very interesting indeed and especially as Fine Gael have not learned any lessons from the last one, their arrogance is still there front and centre.

McMurphy

markodaly wrote: »

It was a minority FF government ironically voted in by Sinn Fein - The Workers Party.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_the_23rd_D%C3%A1il

This is interesting......

Didn't the workers party (Sinn Fein according to you) evolve into the democratic left?

This would be the same democratic left who coalesced with John Brutons FG?

This obviously being the same Democratic Left that was then led by Proinsias De Rossa

Very colourful character.

Soon after his sixteenth birthday, in May 1956, he joined the Irish Republican Army (IRA),and was politically active in Sinn Féin from an early age. During the IRA Border Campaign, he was arrested while training other IRA members in Glencree in May 1956. He served seven months in Mountjoy Prison and was then interned at the Curragh Camp.

Look here he is with John and Dick.

jmcc

markodaly wrote: »

An odd reply I must say.... and slightly vulger.

The word is 'vulgar'. It does show how low FG standards have fallen. It can't even get good help these days.

Regards...jmcc

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

So what is the overall point?
SF got more votes in the 2020 GE then anyone else....
And?

The convention is that the party that secures the most votes 'wins' the election. A convention evidenced here for instance:

Pat Leahy: Fine Gael needs to stage a comeback to win election

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/pat-leahy-fine-gael-needs-to-stage-a-comeback-to-win-election-1.4147090?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fopinion%2Fpat-leahy-fine-gael-needs-to-stage-a-comeback-to-win-election-1.4147090

Typically when SF say they 'won' the election that convention goes out the window. Similar to the fiasco on the other thread where the 'leader of the opposition' claim is portrayed as a SF thing when in fact other party leaders have used the term too.

It's one rule for SF but not others.

ohnonotgmail

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The convention is that the party that secures the most votes 'wins' the election. A convention evidenced here for instance:


https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/pat-leahy-fine-gael-needs-to-stage-a-comeback-to-win-election-1.4147090?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fopinion%2Fpat-leahy-fine-gael-needs-to-stage-a-comeback-to-win-election-1.4147090

Typically when SF say they 'won' the election that convention goes out the window. Similar to the fiasco on the other thread where the 'leader of the opposition' claim is portrayed as a SF thing when in fact other party leaders have used the term too.

It's one rule for SF but not others.

did someone really say something that stupid? unbelievable.

James Brown

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

did someone really say something that stupid? unbelievable.

Since it came to light Varadkar said same they are back peddling on it, but yes.

its_steve116

RandomViewer wrote: »

They went with youth with Varadkar ,cost them too many oldies, middle aged woman to be next FG leader

Heather Humphries is your best bet.

RandomViewer

its_steve116 wrote: »

Heather Humphries is your best bet.

Ticks the boxes, female, minority but also Conservative and rural

McMurphy

RandomViewer wrote: »

Ticks the boxes, female, minority but also Conservative and rural

There's also that animal cruelty letter thing too......

RandomViewer

McMurphy wrote: »

There's also that animal cruelty letter thing too......

Conservative and rural

McMurphy

Martin Heydon challenging Maria Bailey for the most cringe radio interview ever.

I thought he was going to cry on a number of occasions.

https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/html5/?s=08#/radio1/21924573

golfball37

McMurphy wrote: »

Martin Heydon challenging Maria Bailey for the most cringe radio interview ever.

I thought he was going to cry on a number of occasions.

https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/html5/?s=08#/radio1/21924573

No wonder Sarah was overlooked for Davy spokeswoman Claire Byrne. She doesn’t buy into crap being spouted no matter what side they are on

McMurphy

golfball37 wrote: »

No wonder Sarah was overlooked for Davy spokeswoman Claire Byrne. She doesn’t buy into crap being spouted no matter what side they are on

She's an excellent moderator to be fair. Takes absolutely no BS.