Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

Leftwaffe

Tyrone212 wrote: »

What are peoples thoughts, will this be the end of him politically after the investigation concludes? What's the most likely outcome in your opinion?

It will come to nothing. This is Ireland pal. The likes of Leo do as they please. Pandering to big business and the elites, he has nothing but contempt for the ordinary man.

Fann Linn

Tyrone212 wrote: »

What are peoples thoughts, will this be the end of him politically after the investigation concludes? What's the most likely outcome in your opinion?

It would be nice to see him fall, topped off then by the certain upheaval and damage which would then befall FF in their rush to shift blame elsewhere for their vote of confidence in him at Christmas.

Toss of a coin now on how this investigation will proceed.

RandomName2

Wow are ye still on about this?

There have been no updates on this in.. how many months? Seven?

Last time I looked in here it was Sinn Fein canvassers saying that FrancisFitzGerald resigned, and consequently Varadkar should resign. It was a bizarre tangent that ignored legal aspects, moral aspects, whether FFG was found to have acted in good faith, and the dynamics of the main opposition party (Fianna Fail) threatening to bring down the government.

Now the Sinn Fein canvassers are trying to determine the friendship status of Varadkar and the doctor he leaked the document to. Again, this is entirely irrelevant. I think it's safe to classify them as friends, and for this to have influenced Varadkar's judgement. I find it unlikely that the doctor either paid Varadkar for the documents or was able to provide him payment in kind (such as providing a promotion, or other use of influence for personal gain for Varadkar). I personally assume that the Garda will do their job at least.

I don't actually expect Sinn Fein canvassers to do any investigative work on this matter, as they desperately try to keep the embers of this matter hot.

Which is curious really, when you would think they would focus on vaccinations, children's hospital development, housing, transport development delays, borrowing. All of these would probably require work though, and leaning on an article that was published the best part of a year ago doesn't require much work, so that's what they will lazily go to.

' But IRA'
' But GP local health provision draft agreement circulated with the GP union '

Fann Linn

RandomName2 wrote: »

Wow are ye still on about this?

There have been no updates on this in.. how many months? Seven?

Last time I looked in here it was Sinn Fein canvassers saying that FrancisFitzGerald resigned, and consequently Varadkar should resign. It was a bizarre tangent that ignored legal aspects, moral aspects, whether FFG was found to have acted in good faith, and the dynamics of the main opposition party (Fianna Fail) threatening to bring down the government.

Now the Sinn Fein canvassers are trying to determine the friendship status of Varadkar and the doctor he leaked the document to. Again, this is entirely irrelevant. I think it's safe to classify them as friends, and for this to have influenced Varadkar's judgement. I find it unlikely that the doctor either paid Varadkar for the documents or was able to provide him payment in kind (such as providing a promotion, or other use of influence for personal gain for Varadkar). I personally assume that the Garda will do their job at least.

I don't actually expect Sinn Fein canvassers to do any investigative work on this matter, as they desperately try to keep the embers of this matter hot.

Which is curious really, when you would think they would focus on vaccinations, children's hospital development, housing, transport development delays, borrowing. All of these would probably require work though, and leaning on an article that was published the best part of a year ago doesn't require much work, so that's what they will lazily go to.

' But IRA'
' But GP local health provision draft agreement circulated with the GP union '

Gardai are investigating this. Not SF.

McMurphy

McMurphy wrote: »

Have a listen again, shortly after 5 mins in.....

Heydon "the hypocrisy of the Sinn Féin party here, is outstanding"

McInerney "Martin, I don't know why you're bringing it back to Sinn Féin, I want to talk about the investigation....."

Heydon "Ummm, because, because, because..... they're the ones laying the charge here"

McInerney "Dafuq you talkin about*, the Gardai are investigating, that's sweet eff all to do with Sinn Féin....."

*that bit isn't exactly what she said, but you can tell it's what she wanted to say. The whole "but Sinn Féin" is familiar to me...... No idea why.

Who thought it was a good idea to let him near a mic FFS?

RandomName2 wrote: »

Wow are ye still on about this?

There have been no updates on this in.. how many months? Seven?

Last time I looked in here it was Sinn Fein canvassers saying that FrancisFitzGerald resigned, and consequently Varadkar should resign. It was a bizarre tangent that ignored legal aspects, moral aspects, whether FFG was found to have acted in good faith, and the dynamics of the main opposition party (Fianna Fail) threatening to bring down the government.

Now the Sinn Fein canvassers are trying to determine the friendship status of Varadkar and the doctor he leaked the document to. Again, this is entirely irrelevant. I think it's safe to classify them as friends, and for this to have influenced Varadkar's judgement. I find it unlikely that the doctor either paid Varadkar for the documents or was able to provide him payment in kind (such as providing a promotion, or other use of influence for personal gain for Varadkar). I personally assume that the Garda will do their job at least.

I don't actually expect Sinn Fein canvassers to do any investigative work on this matter, as they desperately try to keep the embers of this matter hot.

Which is curious really, when you would think they would focus on vaccinations, children's hospital development, housing, transport development delays, borrowing. All of these would probably require work though, and leaning on an article that was published the best part of a year ago doesn't require much work, so that's what they will lazily go to.

' But IRA'
' But GP local health provision draft agreement circulated with the GP union '

Martin Heydon radio interview....

jammiedodgers

Tyrone212 wrote: »

What are peoples thoughts, will this be the end of him politically after the investigation concludes? What's the most likely outcome in your opinion?

At the very worst a cushy EU job. Probably nothing though.

skimpydoo

jammiedodgers wrote: »

At the very worst a cushy EU job. Probably nothing though.

He has form for leaking. Why hire a serial leaker?

RandomViewer

skimpydoo wrote: »

He has form for leaking. Why hire a serial leaker?

EU department of sieve regulation?

jammiedodgers

skimpydoo wrote: »

He has form for leaking. Why hire a serial leaker?

You'll have to ask Phil Hogan.

skimpydoo

jammiedodgers wrote: »

You'll have to ask Phil Hogan.

Hogan leaked once and he resigned. Leo like Hogan leaked budget info and he did not resign. Leo also leaked two other times.

Akesh

blanch152 wrote: »

I have plenty of photos with people, who are not friends.

A photo means nothing in this case.

Do you have a photo with someone whom you leaked a contract to?

Traumadoc

Fann Linn wrote: »

Gardai are investigating this. Not SF.

Given how Leo led the campaign to support McCabe, I would be more worried about those in the "long grass" than the Shinners.

Jinglejangle69

Traumadoc wrote: »

Given how Leo led the campaign to support McCabe, I would be more worried about those in the "long grass" than the Shinners.

Hold on.

So you're saying because Leo listened and supported McCabe in his fight against garda corruption, An Garda síochána will now be out to get him????

Are you happy they might go after someone for helping expose corruption in the force????

Is that the level people will be happy to go to, to get one up in Leo?

JustAThought

the only person leo helps is himself - and his mates. Helped himself to a house for himself and his partner - as though two wern’t enough for them already - had to greedy grab one for himself as well off the hard pressed taxpayers back. Greedy Leo. Helping himself to everything. Brown envelopes of confidential information to his mate - what cut wouod he have got out of that business - or another like Philo and the boys giving away Irish offshore oil and gas reserves to ‘mates’ for free and then being elected as directors into their boards. Greedy leo. Was the house and 100,000 payrise you all gave yourselves while the country was on its knees not enough?

Dempo1

McMurphy wrote: »

Wonder if leak, I mean Leo tuned in, and if he did, wonder if he leaked, I mean liked it?

https://twitter.com/RTERadio1/status/1372959568993607682?s=09

Have to say Callan takes off Leo brilliantly, he's got his smug, Arrogant persona down to a T along with hapless Murphs

JustAThought

JustAThought wrote: »

the only person leo helps is himself - and his mates. Helped himself to a house for himself and his partner - as though two wern’t enough for them already - had to greedy grab one for himself as well off the hard pressed taxpayers back. Greedy Leo. Helping himself to everything. Brown envelopes of confidential information to his mate - what cut wouod he have got out of that business - or another like Philo and the boys giving away Irish offshore oil and gas reserves to ‘mates’ for free and then being elected as directors into their boards. Greedy leo. Was the house and 100,000 payrise you all gave yourselves while the country was on its knees not enough?

I hate when people talk in riddles. Care to put your rant in plain English with more details, please.
What house did he help himself to? What did he grab off the taxpayer? What brown envelopes and what was in them?

Brendan Bendar

Deleted User wrote: »

I hate when people talk in riddles. Care to put your rant in plain English with more details, please.
What house did he help himself to? What did he grab off the taxpayer? What brown envelopes and what was in them?

MaryAnne, with all due respect,it might be best to let sleeping dogs lie.

Just a suggestion, just a suggestion.

McMurphy

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

MaryAnne, with all due respect,it might be best to let sleeping dogs lie.

Just a suggestion, just a suggestion.

Long gone are the days when Brenner wanted slates lifted on politicians, lights shone on them etc etc, so on and so on.

Strange times indeed.

Brendan Bendar

McMurphy wrote: »

Long gone are the days when Brenner wanted slates lifted on politicians, lights shone on them etc etc, so on and so on.

Strange times indeed.

I was referring to the poster MaryAnne was replying to Randle.

You seem very keen to get me banned by the Mods by dragging me down rabbit holes

Lot of anger out there.

Fann Linn

costacorta wrote: »

But SF are good at having their own enquiries?? Wasn’t Gerry judge and jury for years ? .

Looks over >>>> and shouts 'but SF..... '

Brendan Bendar

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

MaryAnne, with all due respect,it might be best to let sleeping dogs lie.

Just a suggestion, just a suggestion.

I’m curious about the free house and €100,000 wage increase. I’m only retired 3 months and am getting bored. Thinking of going into politics. The big barrier to any chance I may have of succeeding is my rather low bulls**t threshold.
I thought that it was only dole scroungers who got free houses!

costacorta

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

I was referring to the poster MaryAnne was replying to Randle.

You seem very keen to get me banned by the Mods by dragging me down rabbit holes

Lot of anger out there.

Ya be careful of Twitterman , Another Freddie I’m thinking 🀔. They had a good few Freddie’s n their ranks ..

McMurphy

costacorta wrote: »

Ya be careful of Twitterman , Another Freddie I’m thinking ��. They had a good few Freddie’s n their ranks ..

Who is Freddie, and who had lots of Freddie's in their ranks

Hardly another Sinn Fein diversionary tactic is it?

Brendan Bendar

Deleted User wrote: »

I’m curious about the free house and €100,000 wage increase. I’m only retired 3 months and am getting bored. Thinking of going into politics. The big barrier to any chance I may have of succeeding is my rather low bulls**t threshold.
I thought that it was only dole scroungers who got free houses!

Think he got the use of a house up in the Park for official stuff.

RandomName2

Fann Linn wrote: »

Gardai are investigating this. Not SF.

Absolutely! Doesn't stop Sinn Fein trying to endlessly make political hay from it. In the context of this thread it is fairly transparent.

It is weird that 'But Sinn Fein' is actually said more by Sinn Fein supporters than anyone else, which is actually a neat way to ensure they never enter critical discussion. To be sure they started this with

'It is unfair to bring up discussion of the IRA when the debate is featuring Sinn Fein'

and seeing that that actually worked, they now simply say

'It is unfair to bring up Sinn Fein when the debate is featuring Sinn Fein'

And how is the debate featuring Sinn Fein? Because all objective analysis of this matter would have taken a back seat until there was something new to actually discuss, but not Sinn Fein canvassers who desperately want to keep the story alive (what about another discussion about the Bobby Storey funeral? Or we could pretend to update it with the Peggy McCourt funeral from January).

So we have Mary Lou coming on the television giving her position last week, Sinn Fein producing its social media perspective in the last weeks, Sinn Fein bringing it up in the last months in the Dail, the vote-of-no-confidence brought to the floor by Sinn Fein last November, and presumably Sinn Fein and its supporters will have a lot, lot more repetition of the subject before the subject finally disintegrates from the volume of kicking it receives. They even have a schoolyard name for Varadkar. They call him LeoTheLeak on social media. These are adults who want to run the country.

Though I suppose the country has been run by someone who likes posing in socks, making Hamilton references, and handed an agreement to his friend in order to disseminate its contents to a union that he had forced out of the board room due to a tiff about medical cards, so I suppose they are in good company.

Come on Sinn Fein people here, I beg you to open up your horizons. There is so much to criticize, and you retreating to your shells of 'But Sinn Fein' is not the type of behavior I would expect from self professed um.. progressives.

McMurphy

Dempo1 wrote: »

Have to say Callan takes off Leo brilliantly, he's got his smug, Arrogant persona down to a T along with hapless Murphs

Yea he has Leo's smugness down to a T.

https://twitter.com/olivercallan/status/1373211373782589440?s=19

Larbre34

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Think he got the use of a house up in the Park for official stuff.

He did, the Steward's Lodge at Farmleigh. Every Taoiseach since Bertie gets it if they want it, its a secured location with living and working facilities and good IT/comms.

Its also utterly irrelevant to the matter at hand.

Larbre34

Larbre34 wrote: »

He did, the Steward's Lodge at Farmleigh. Every Taoiseach since Bertie gets it if they want it, its a secured location with living and working facilities and good IT/comms.

Its also utterly irrelevant to the matter at hand.

And, I believe that he paid for the privilege.

I’m still puzzled about the €100k salary increase, though. I’m sure that the poster will clarify and satisfy my curiosity.

Seems the media is now turning against poor Leo

https://m.independent.ie/opinion/comment/leo-varadkar-becoming-taoiseach-was-a-breath-of-fresh-air-for-politics-now-theres-a-stench-hanging-off-him-40218361.html

Fann Linn

RandomName2 wrote: »

Absolutely! Doesn't stop Sinn Fein trying to endlessly make political hay from it. In the context of this thread it is fairly transparent.

It is weird that 'But Sinn Fein' is actually said more by Sinn Fein supporters than anyone else, which is actually a neat way to ensure they never enter critical discussion. To be sure they started this with

'It is unfair to bring up discussion of the IRA when the debate is featuring Sinn Fein'

and seeing that that actually worked, they now simply say

'It is unfair to bring up Sinn Fein when the debate is featuring Sinn Fein'

And how is the debate featuring Sinn Fein? Because all objective analysis of this matter would have taken a back seat until there was something new to actually discuss, but not Sinn Fein canvassers who desperately want to keep the story alive (what about another discussion about the Bobby Storey funeral? Or we could pretend to update it with the Peggy McCourt funeral from January).

So we have Mary Lou coming on the television giving her position last week, Sinn Fein producing its social media perspective in the last weeks, Sinn Fein bringing it up in the last months in the Dail, the vote-of-no-confidence brought to the floor by Sinn Fein last November, and presumably Sinn Fein and its supporters will have a lot, lot more repetition of the subject before the subject finally disintegrates from the volume of kicking it receives. They even have a schoolyard name for Varadkar. They call him LeoTheLeak on social media. These are adults who want to run the country.

Though I suppose the country has been run by someone who likes posing in socks, making Hamilton references, and handed an agreement to his friend in order to disseminate its contents to a union that he had forced out of the board room due to a tiff about medical cards, so I suppose they are in good company.

Come on Sinn Fein people here, I beg you to open up your horizons. There is so much to criticize, and you retreating to your shells of 'But Sinn Fein' is not the type of behavior I would expect from self professed um.. progressives.

So you'd prefer if SF turned a blind eye to Varadkars shenanigans?
Everything is hunky dory and the Gardai are just picking on Leo.