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Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

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    #7472
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users Posts: 19,471 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    jackboy wrote: »
    Again irrelevant. Was it a criminal act or not? There is no point focusing on the messengers, no matter their motivation.

    The thread title is ‘Leo Varadkar Story in the Village’ last I looked.

    Therefore all the components of that title are relevant.

    Motivation on all sides is very important in these issues.

    Leave the legal stuff to the legal eagles I would suggest.


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    #7473
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    This thread is about Leo leaking documents, have you any comment on that topic

    My posts are all in relation to who is behind this hate campaign against him. It had to be someone with money, Paddy Cosgrave. Have you any comment on that?


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    #7474
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Rows Grower wrote: »
    So Leo asked Harris to give a copy of the confidential document to his friend the head union lad and Harris refused?

    Then Leo, Mr. Smug, simply makes a copy and sends it to his chum via taxi.

    There's no way that man can be trusted in public office.

    Source? Does it say it on the next page or something, because the first page of the paper doesn't say that.


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    #7475
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    My posts are all in relation to who is behind this hate campaign against him. It had to be someone with money, Paddy Cosgrave. Have you any comment on that?

    Japers, that was some jump.

    It's not like we don't know exactly who's behind the story, he's hardly hidden behind the fact hardly takes inspector clueso to point out the holes in your theory.

    https://twitter.com/BowesChay/status/1372137366060683273?s=19


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    #7476
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    McMurphy wrote: »
    No. Paddy Cosgraves tweet just happened to be the first tweet I found with a picture of the front of the mail on Sunday, to suggest he's "behind the story" because he tweeted an article is complete and utter nonsense and highly dishonest.

    The rest of your long winded whataboutery is also irrelevant, sang you've been told this each time you appear in the thread to suggest laws and ethics should be suspended because of the pandemic*.


    *Speaking of which, I see 3 months later and Leo hasn't given Roisin Shorthall a response on the dodgy ventilators, apparently "events manager" quirke had a political contact personally involved in helping him secure the deal.

    Was it Leo?

    https://twitter.com/nwl88444048/status/1373326139909935104?s=19

    Not true, word for word the Irish Independent have the quote that it was Cosgrave who’s a ‘close friend’ of Chay Bowes that set it all up with the Village. You’re actually spouting lies, nonsense and trying to deflect.
    The fact that someone like Cosgrave is behind this, and wants to destabilise our country at this time with so much anger & dissent out there re the restrictions is a disgrace.
    He does not have your interests on his mind, he has his.


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    #7477
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    Not true, word for word the Irish Independent have the quote that it was Cosgrave who’s a ‘close friend’ of Chay Bowes that set it all up with the Village. You’re actually spouting lies, nonsense and trying to deflect.
    The fact that someone like Cosgrave is behind this, and wants to destabilise our country at this time with so much anger & dissent out there re the restrictions is a disgrace.
    He does not have your interests on his mind, he has his.

    What's not true?

    Are you saying Chay Bowes isn't the one who blew the whistle on this, because of zero craic bragging?

    What else do you think the Gardai should turn a blind eye to because of the pandemic while we're on the subject?


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    #7478
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users Posts: 8,033 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    Not true, word for word the Irish Independent have the quote that it was Cosgrave who’s a ‘close friend’ of Chay Bowes that set it all up with the Village. You’re actually spouting lies, nonsense and trying to deflect.
    The fact that someone like Cosgrave is behind this, and wants to destabilise our country at this time with so much anger & dissent out there re the restrictions is a disgrace.
    He does not have your interests on his mind, he has his.

    Forget about Paddy Cosgrave, you don't shoot the messenger.

    It's in every citizens interest that we do not have a criminal in government.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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    #7479
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Rows Grower wrote: »
    Forget about Paddy Cosgrave, you don't shoot the messenger.

    It's in every citizens interest that we do not have a criminal in government.

    Alleged?


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    #7480
    jackboy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,582 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    The thread title is ‘Leo Varadkar Story in the Village’ last I looked.

    Therefore all the components of that title are relevant.

    Motivation on all sides is very important in these issues.

    Leave the legal stuff to the legal eagles I would suggest.

    Motivation of the messengers is only important if the allegations are untrue. As the guards are proceeding with the investigation then they believe that there may be something in it.


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    #7481
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    jackboy wrote: »
    Motivation of the messengers is only important if the allegations are untrue. As the guards are proceeding with the investigation then they believe that there may be something in it.
    Investigations proceed to determine if there may be something to them. It's not unusual for them to halt. Getting to the DPP and the DPP concluding it is worth bringing a case will show there may be something to it.


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    #7482
    jackboy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,582 ✭✭✭jackboy


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Investigations proceed to determine if there may be something to them. It's not unusual for them to halt. Getting to the DPP and the DPP concluding it is worth bringing a case will show there may be something to it.

    True but it is gas that some people here are ignoring the investigation and trying to claim that paddy cosgrove is trying to destabilise the country. We are talking real conspiracy theory stuff in support of Leo.


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    #7483
    golfball37
    Registered Users Posts: 4,651 ✭✭✭golfball37


    Read the article in print edition. Gardai are seriously peeved about Varadkar going on Pat Kenny and laying out events as he sees it and stressing he did nothing illegal. He especially should not be commenting on it.


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    #7484
    RandomName2
    Registered Users Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    shtpEdthePlum wrote: »
    This is absurd.

    Anyone can see that this admission changes the situation. The deflection by several here is transparent. It indicates what will certainly be the last gasps of the boards.ie FG defence team.


    I don't bat for any of the three government parties.


    shtpEdthePlum wrote: »
    Now that Harris has disclosed that he was indeed asked to leak the information and but refused to, it obviously shows that the then-health minister (who would have been the person with authority over this document) decided it couldn't go to O'Toole.


    That is true, but is not much of a revelation. The GP union (NAGP) had been loudly, and very publicly, calling for the information on Twitter, so the fact that they directly asked Harris should not come as a surprise. Furthermore, Harris may have felt he would require his boss' imprimatur to provide such information: after all the GP union had been blocked from receiving the information because of Varadkar's policy in relation to medical cards. Finally this doesn't imply illegality. It is quite clear that despite vacating the office of minister of health, that Varadkar wanted to mini-manage it. I also feel that he didn't treat Harris with a huge amount of respect in his capacity as Health minister. One might cynically wonder if the very young, inexperienced Harris was given the ministry well known to be a poisoned chalice to be a patsy of sorts.

    shtpEdthePlum wrote: »
    Leo gave the contract to Matt because they were friends and he was worried their union might turn against their party during the election.


    The union was already very clearly opposed to the government.

    shtpEdthePlum wrote: »
    It also conferred a more advantageous bargaining position to the rival doctors' union.


    No it didn't. NAGP was frozen out of negotiations. The deal with the IMO was in no jeopardy. NAGP had already had the legs cut from underneath them and were on the verge of going under (they only lasted another two months before their crippling debt destroyed them).


    shtpEdthePlum wrote: »
    It also boosted Leo's standing while sh!tting on Harris.


    No doubt.


    shtpEdthePlum wrote: »
    what's the problem with talking about this major news story???


    Well at least this is a news story. It's not a particularly revealing one, but at least it isn't inane discourse about how one can measure Leo's friendliness, or using inaccurate analysis in relation to precedents set for resignation, which together must account for about 80 pages of content in this thread.


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    #7485
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users Posts: 19,471 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    jackboy wrote: »
    Motivation of the messengers is only important if the allegations are untrue. As the guards are proceeding with the investigation then they believe that there may be something in it.

    Do they?


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    #7486
    golfball37
    Registered Users Posts: 4,651 ✭✭✭golfball37


    jackboy wrote: »
    True but it is gas that some people here are ignoring the investigation and trying to claim that paddy cosgrove is trying to destabilise the country. We are talking real conspiracy theory stuff in support of Leo.

    The same was said of Maurice McCabe shur and official Ireland tried to paint him as the worst kind of offender, one that interferes with children. At least Paddy will be ok.

    I don’t understand those who say this is interfering with the govt important work. They should not have someone who cannot be trusted at the he cabinet table. Put someone else in as Tanaiste and continue the important work. If they have tied Varadkars future to that of the government then that’s on them. The work isn’t as important as one man obviously.


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    #7487
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    jackboy wrote: »
    True but it is gas that some people here are ignoring the investigation and trying to claim that paddy cosgrove is trying to destabilise the country. We are talking real conspiracy theory stuff in support of Leo.
    Cosgrave is like a boil but nowhere near as smart as he or anyone else imagines. It'll eventually be resolved as it should be, through the mechanism of the legal system , certainly not on the airwaves nor in print.


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    #7488
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users Posts: 19,471 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    SIPO seem quite busy these days, hope it doesn’t it doesn’t lead to delays in the justice system.

    I’m getting quite irked by all these happenings.


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    #7489
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    golfball37 wrote: »
    The same was said of Maurice McCabe shur and official Ireland tried to paint him as the worst kind of offender, one that interferes with children. At least Paddy will be ok.

    I don’t understand those who say this is interfering with the govt important work. They should not have someone who cannot be trusted at the he cabinet table. Put someone else in as Tanaiste and continue the important work. If they have tied Varadkars future to that of the government then that’s on them. The work isn’t as important as one man obviously.
    The McCabe situation was more complex than that and he got wrongly linked to something by Tusla, which followed him like a bad smell and undermined any credibility he might have had. You can't really bench Varadkar unless they get to a point where a legal case is pending. If that happens FG will probably vote to replace him anyway.


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    #7490
    RandomName2
    Registered Users Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    That’s what you’d like to think.

    Lot of anger out there, a few slates being lifted and a light being shone into areas it’s obvious it was needed.


    So do you have anything to say about the local healthcare GP provision? I'm waiting for someone to actually talk about the item in question. Are you a former NAGP angry at the government?


    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    Some dangerous people hanging around.


    'Slab Murphy' dangerous, or 'Maria Bailey' dangerous? Just how worried should we be?


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    #7491
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,161 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    This thread is about Varadkar. Take all discussion of political parties to the relevant threads


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    #7492
    shtpEdthePlum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭shtpEdthePlum


    RandomName2 wrote: »
    I don't bat for any of the three government parties.
    Yet you feel personally obliged to dissect my post.
    That is true, but is not much of a revelation. The GP union (NAGP) had been loudly, and very publicly, calling for the information on Twitter, so the fact that they directly asked Harris should not come as a surprise.
    Great, so there's no doubt that they directly benefitted from Leo leaking it to them. That's one of the requirements for corruption in office.
    Furthermore, Harris may have felt he would require his boss' imprimatur to provide such information: after all the GP union had been blocked from receiving the information because of Varadkar's policy in relation to medical cards. Finally this doesn't imply illegality.
    You're omitting the fact that Harris was requesting a copy of it himself at the time. He hadn't even cleared that version of it and he was the bleedin health minister.
    It is quite clear that despite vacating the office of minister of health, that Varadkar wanted to mini-manage it. I also feel that he didn't treat Harris with a huge amount of respect in his capacity as Health minister. One might cynically wonder if the very young, inexperienced Harris was given the ministry well known to be a poisoned chalice to be a patsy of sorts.
    That seems like exactly what happened. Micro-managing isn't a crime but going behind the backs of those making up your ministry, providing confidential information for personal gain... The fact that he did this will likely be the determining factor in this case.
    The union was already very clearly opposed to the government.
    So there's even less doubt about his motivations for leaking this.
    No it didn't. NAGP was frozen out of negotiations.
    By whom? Not by Varadkar seemingly.
    The deal with the IMO was in no jeopardy. NAGP had already had the legs cut from underneath them and were on the verge of going under (they only lasted another two months before their crippling debt destroyed them).
    You're right, but at the time they seemed pretty happy about getting this on the WhatsApp group.
    Well at least this is a news story. It's not a particularly revealing one, but at least it isn't inane discourse about how one can measure Leo's friendliness, or using inaccurate analysis in relation to precedents set for resignation, which together must account for about 80 pages of content in this thread.
    Agreed. I didn't contribute to any of that because I felt that it was more transparent distraction tactics by Leo supporters and felt it would be a waste of my time.
    CruelSummer wrote: »
    My posts are all in relation to who is behind this hate campaign against him. It had to be someone with money, Paddy Cosgrave. Have you any comment on that?
    Now there's an irrelevant and completely unfounded claim.

    Imagine if those of us who are glad to see this corrupt arsehole smeared came out with something that spurious. The FG 4 would be all over us like a bad rash.


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    #7493
    Dempo1
    Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Quite a disturbing development this morning, the Indo reporting Leo to get 24 hour armed protection, relates to odious threats coming from the North. Whatever one's feelings on this story, this behaviour needs to be condemned.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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    #7494
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,407 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Dempo1 wrote: »
    Quite a disturbing development this morning, the Indo reporting Leo to get 24 hour armed protection, relates to odious threats coming from the North. Whatever one's feelings on this story, this behaviour needs to be condemned.

    I've a feeling he will quit politics.

    There comes a point when enough is enough.


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    #7495
    Johnthemanager
    Registered Users Posts: 250 ✭✭Johnthemanager


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    I've a feeling he will quit politics.

    There comes a point when enough is enough.

    Is there ever enough corruption for these guys? I mean Michael lowry was the man he went to when he needed votes for Taoiseach!


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    #7496
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,407 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Johnthemanager wrote: »
    Is there ever enough corruption for these guys? I mean Michael lowry was the man he went to when he needed votes for Taoiseach!

    Enough that he's getting death threats from loyalists.

    Don't worry he will be gone soon probably and you can sleep easy.


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    #7497
    Johnthemanager
    Registered Users Posts: 250 ✭✭Johnthemanager


    Dempo1 wrote: »
    Quite a disturbing development this morning, the Indo reporting Leo to get 24 hour armed protection, relates to odious threats coming from the North. Whatever one's feelings on this story, this behaviour needs to be condemned.

    Loyalists threatening him. Remember though that Regina Doherty said that victims of loyalists brought it on themselves?


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    #7498
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,407 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Johnthemanager wrote: »
    Loyalists threatening him. Remember though that Regina Doherty said that victims of loyalists brought it on themselves?

    Regina??

    This thread is about Leo.


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    #7499
    Johnthemanager
    Registered Users Posts: 250 ✭✭Johnthemanager


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Enough that he's getting death threats from loyalists.

    Don't worry he will be gone soon probably and you can sleep easy.

    Regina Doherty said victims of loyalists brought it on themselves! She really is despicable to come out with a statement like that!


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    #7500
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,407 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Johnthemanager wrote: »
    Regina Doherty said victims of loyalists brought it on themselves! She really is despicable to come out with a statement like that!

    Didn't see that. When was it?


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    #7501
    jackboy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,582 ✭✭✭jackboy


    So now we have moved on from paddy cosgrove to loyalists as a distraction to Leo leaking the document.


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