Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

shatners bassoon

blanch152 wrote: »

I still believe it is a waste of time and resources, as ultimately there doesn't appear to be any crime committed.

Of course, that won't stop the kangaroo court style judgements.

You have struggled greatly throughout the thread to understand / interpret the relevant legislation ('What Act?') so thankfully your opinion on whether a crime has been committed is irrelevant.

There was clearly enough to warrant an investigation based on the evidence available but you swore blind there wasn't. You've been frantically moving the goalposts ever since.

The investigation is due process. Kangaroo justice is shouting 'nothing to see here' and slinging mud at anyone who suggests otherwise.

Plumbthedepths

blanch152 wrote: »

The case against Leo as put forward here is full of ifs, buts and maybes sprinkled with conspiracy theories, ignorance of the law and speculation.

Isn't it just aswell it's AGS and the DPP that decide if Leo has a case to answer. You believe he doesn't others believe he does. This is just a discussion forum you attach way to much importance to your opinion and that of others who you agree with. Said opinions carries the same import as any other here.

CarProblem

blanch152 wrote: »

I still believe it is a waste of time and resources, as ultimately there doesn't appear to be any crime committed

I was about to say this was an extraordinary post until I saw who made it. In future we should run any potential investigation past Blanch before it advances.

Don't want to give you ideas but surprised you haven't called for it to be suspended (like you tried deflect in relation to hotel quarantine and hotel workers) as why should people have to "risk their lives" to gather evidence, make notes on pulse etc for a (your words) "frivolous" complaint

Fionnan Sheahan was on with Eamon Dunphy yesterday discussing this

Cluedo Monopoly

CarProblem wrote: »

I was about to say this was an extraordinary post until I saw who made it. In future we should run any potential investigation past Blanch before it advances.

For some reason I always think of Charlie in Sunny when Blanch is talking about the law

maccored

CarProblem wrote: »

I was about to say this was an extraordinary post until I saw who made it. In future we should run any potential investigation past Blanch before it advances.

Don't want to give you ideas but surprised you haven't called for it to be suspended (like you tried deflect in relation to hotel quarantine and hotel workers) as why should people have to "risk their lives" to gather evidence, make notes on pulse etc for a (your words) "frivolous" complaint

Fionnan Sheahan was on with Eamon Dunphy yesterday discussing this

wasnt blanch152 telling us the schools werent harbours for Covid a while back?

James Brown

markodaly wrote: »

Before long, we will be talking about the 3rd secret of Fatima given the nature of speculation and complete made-up scenarios, with no basis in fact, bandied about the place.;

Says the man now claiming it was the butler assistant did it.
I thought there was nothing wrong in passing the doc to his pal?

No made up scenarios. However the very fabric of reality is being stretched by Leo's defenders and apologists.

jammiedodgers

Can we please get back to discussing how this is a non story and will have blown over by next week.

Baggly

maccored wrote: »

wasnt blanch152 telling us the schools werent harbours for Covid a while back?

Mod

Threadbanned.

Baggly

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

For some reason I always think of Charlie in Sunny when Blanch is talking about the law

Mod

Threadbanned.

McMurphy

CarProblem wrote: »

I was about to say this was an extraordinary post until I saw who made it. In future we should run any potential investigation past Blanch before it advances.

Don't want to give you ideas but surprised you haven't called for it to be suspended (like you tried deflect in relation to hotel quarantine and hotel workers) as why should people have to "risk their lives" to gather evidence, make notes on pulse etc for a (your words) "frivolous" complaint

Fionnan Sheahan was on with Eamon Dunphy yesterday discussing this

Hadn't heard that podcast, it's definitely worth a listen, anyone that hasn't done so yet.

The part where Sheehan compares a young backbencher Leo Varadkars stance on Bertie Ahern, and "just because you're top level of govt does not excuse lower standards" part had me guffawing into my steering wheel.

Floppybits

I'm not sure Varadkar should be commenting on this and saying he won't be charged before anything has concluded. This will only add fuel to the fire now that the Gardai and DPP are under pressure not to press charges. He really doesn't help himself.

https://www.lmfm.ie/news/lmfm-news/varadkar-does-not-believe-he-will-be-charged-over-the-leaking-of-confidential-gp-document/

Muahahaha

jmcc wrote: »

So when will Leo the Leak be interviewed by the Gardai?

Regards...jmcc

The main suspect in a crime often gets interviewed last after all the evidence has been gathered and everyone else has been interviewed. So far we've had the whistle blower interviewed along with another witness to Leos alleged crime Simon Harris questioned by Gardai.

As we know it is a crime to leak under the Official Secrets Act and its definitions. Given it takes two to tango it is also a crime to receive a leak under the Official Secrets Act. So that will likely mean oTuathill will be interviewed by Gardai next and then finally Leo.

Which is of interest because Leo has already admitted his frantic phone calls to oTuathill when this whole thing blew up. Open to correction here but Leo when asked in the Dail he admitted to three phone calls to oTuathill on a single weekend just a few days before he was going to be under questioning in the Dail. No doubt the Gardai will be focusing on what was going on over those three phone calls in a single weekend and what was discussed between the two of them.

FrancieBrady

Floppybits wrote: »

I'm not sure Varadkar should be commenting on this and saying he won't be charged before anything has concluded. This will only add fuel to the fire now that the Gardai and DPP are under pressure not to press charges. He really doesn't help himself.

https://www.lmfm.ie/news/lmfm-news/varadkar-does-not-believe-he-will-be-charged-over-the-leaking-of-confidential-gp-document/

It's always the way...doesn't want to answer a question and puts his foot in it in another way.

channelsurfer2

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's always the way...doesn't want to answer a question and puts his foot in it in another way.

I heard his comments on the news at 3..I did wonder if he has now invalidated the investigation by saying that

FrancieBrady

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

I heard his comments on the news at 3..I did wonder if he has now invalidated the investigation by saying that

There is a reason people in his position are asked to step aside and he just provided it. He'll be lucky if nothing come off it.

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's always the way...doesn't want to answer a question and puts his foot in it in another way.

He’s perfectly entitled not to answer the question.

He gave his reasons in the clips, in my opinion valid.

James Brown

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There is a reason people in his position are asked to step aside and he just provided it. He'll be lucky if nothing come off it.

Imagine you are in confidential negotiation with a government department and Leo is skulking in the hall?

It's an issue of credibility and trust. It's too late for FF/Greens to regain what Leo lost them.

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

He’s perfectly entitled not to answer the question.

He gave his reasons in the clips, in my opinion valid.

He didn't want to answer the question on standing aside (which is fine, as you say) and prempted the outcome of the criminal investigation into him instead.

You were the one crying out to allow 'due process' earlier.

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

He didn't want to answer the question on standing aside (which is fine, as you say) and prempted the outcome of the criminal investigation into him instead.

You were the one crying out to allow 'due process' earlier.

How did he do that......

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

How did he do that......

By commenting on the outcome. Exactly what you are chiding people about here, except we are not the focus of a criminal investigation.

McMurphy

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

He’s perfectly entitled not to answer the question.

He gave his reasons in the clips, in my opinion valid.

He did answer the question, it's in the second audio clip in that link.

So you're not going to answer the question?

Leo, well I am answering it, I'm saying it's not going to arise!

That charges won't be taken against you

Leo, correct!


Didn't the NCBI say something about him commenting on the case and what might or might not happen?

Bishop of hope

FrancieBrady wrote: »

He didn't want to answer the question on standing aside (which is fine, as you say) and prempted the outcome of the criminal investigation into him instead.

You were the one crying out to allow 'due process' earlier.

As far as I remember about due process, the accused isninnocent until proven guilty and is allowed to profess his innocence at all times?
Not a fán of due process Francie?

blanch152

Bishop of hope wrote: »

As far as I remember about due process, the accused isninnocent until proven guilty and is allowed to profess his innocence at all times?
Not a fán of due process Francie?

Exactly, from the start of this thread, people have been stating as fact that Leo leaked the document, whereas, if innocent, he shared the document.

Guilt has been assumed by an awful lot of posters.

Brendan Bendar

McMurphy wrote: »

He did answer the question, it's in the second audio clip in that link.

So you're not going to answer the question?

Leo, well I am answering it, I'm saying it's not going to arise!

That charges won't be taken against you

Leo, correct!


Didn't the NCBI say something about him commenting on the case and what might or might not happen?

Did they?

Haven’t seen any account of that, that’s interesting.

McMurphy

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Did they?

Haven’t seen any account of that, that’s interesting.

You're welcome.

The tanaiste discussed the inquiry during an interview with Pat Kenny on Newstalk on Tuesday, in which he again admitted passing the document to o Tua Tuathail. Varadkar insisted he did not do anything "illegal, corrupt or self interested and that his actions conferred no Spe on anyone", while Smagghe document was "not classified A garda source said:

Unlike speeches made in the Dail, interviews given by A politicians on on radio stations about ongoing criminal City investigations are not legally find privileged. It all constitutes wer evidence. It is difficult to comprehend how or why the tanaiste is continuing to elaborate on this matter in such a public fashion."

jammiedodgers

Floppybits wrote: »

I'm not sure Varadkar should be commenting on this and saying he won't be charged before anything has concluded. This will only add fuel to the fire now that the Gardai and DPP are under pressure not to press charges. He really doesn't help himself.

https://www.lmfm.ie/news/lmfm-news/varadkar-does-not-believe-he-will-be-charged-over-the-leaking-of-confidential-gp-document/

Strange that link says Gardaí are investigating a "leak". Do they not know it's not a leak, it's just the "manner" in which he shared the public document that's the issue?

Muahahaha

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

I heard his comments on the news at 3..I did wonder if he has now invalidated the investigation by saying that

Just listened to the LMFM clip there and Leo is after going and throwing even more petrol on the fire. First he says he is trying to avoid creating new stories about the issue and then a minute later on the prospect of Garda charges being brought-
Vardkar:"I dont believe it is going to happen"
Interviewer:"So you're not answering that question"
Varadkar: "What Im saying is that it is not going to arise"
Interviewer:"That charges wont be taken against you?"
Varadkar:"Thats correct"

If thats not trying to prempt the Garda investigation then I dont know what is. There is a big difference between declaring that you are innocent and claiming that charges wont be brought against you. And has he already forgotten that just a few days ago the Sunday Times quoted a Garda source who slapped him down for talking about the case?

Leo really just cant stop putting his foot in his mouth. His team of spin doctors really shouldnt have him near a microphone at the moment given he just makes things worse.

Brendan Bendar

McMurphy wrote: »

You're welcome.

Thanks Randle


Don’t see the NBCI mentioned in that clip, don’t see any definitive names, just “unnamed sources” and ‘concern being expressed’ by ‘senior Gardai’.

Very strange that the Tainiste would ignore advice allegedly ‘given by NCBI’
specifically on this investigation, when all he has to say is no comment on that particular issue.

Floppybits

Muahahaha wrote: »

Just listened to the LMFM clip there and Leo is after going and throwing even more petrol on the fire. First he says he is trying to avoid creating new stories about the issue and then a minute later on the prospect of Garda charges being brought-
Vardkar:"I dont believe it is going to happen"
Interviewer:"So you're not answering that question"
Varadkar: "What Im saying is that it is not going to arise"
Interviewer:"That charges wont be taken against you?"
Varadkar:"Thats correct"

If thats not trying to prempt the Garda investigation then I dont know what is. There is a big difference between declaring that you are innocent and claiming that charges wont be brought against you. And has he already forgotten that just a few days ago the Sunday Times quoted a Garda source who slapped him down for talking about the case?

Leo really just cant stop putting his foot in his mouth. His team of spin doctors really shouldnt have him near a microphone at the moment given he just makes things worse.

One would wonder if this is nothing to but cynical ploy to influence the outcome of the investigation or to kill the investigation. To comment on an ongoing investigation like this and to say what the outcome will be, how often have we read that investigations cannot be talked about. He should have just said I can't comment on it as it is an active investigation and left it at that. After all it is a favorite comment on politicians when asked questions on other investigations.

McMurphy

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Thanks Randle

Once again, you're welcome, no problem.

Don’t see the NBCI mentioned in that clip, don’t see any definitive names, just “unnamed sources” and ‘concern being expressed’ by ‘senior Gardai’.

Look harder bren.



The high ranking officers over the inquiry are from the NBCI bren. This isn't new information here horse.

The investigation is being conducted by the Garda National Bureau of Criminal Investigation (NBCI) based in Harcourt Square in Dublin. Comparable to the FBI or National Crime Agency in the UK, the NBCI is the State’s primary criminal investigation unit made up of highly experienced detectives trained in advanced interview techniques.

Who is investigating Leo Varadkar?
Part of its broad portfolio is responsibility for the investigation of allegations of corruption internally and in Government and semi-State bodies, thus their involvement in this inquiry.



What are they investigating?
A team of detectives has been assigned by the Garda Commissioner to investigate the circumstances surrounding the disclosure two years ago by Mr Varadkar, when he was Taoiseach, of a copy of an agreement between the State and the Irish Medical Organisation to his friend Dr Maitiú Ó Tuathail, the then president of a rival GP organisation, the National Association of General Practitioners (NAGP). The now Tánaiste had admitted that what he did was “inappropriate”.

Very strange that the Tainiste would ignore advice allegedly ‘given by NCBI’
specifically on this investigation, when all he has to say is no comment on that particular issue.

Indeed, but then again, Leo always delivers.